Comex 2006 Day 1 at Expo - Models

[unseen]

for the model's portfolio?
something like TFCD?
i prefer to give my name card or give them my email addy.if they really want the pics,they will contact me.saves me the prob of being tagged as a despos.:bsmilie:

u mentioned "photographers who took upskirt"
abit hard for DSLR users unless it's PnS.

n i also agreed with big_lan.
funny thing is,that was one of the topics we talked of during dinner.lol...

Ermz.. I mentioned 1 of the photographers who was trying to, I didn't say photographers who did. I don't know what he took because it's what the girl told me, so I'm not going to comment on that.
However, it is a dSLR user pointed out to me. Well, I think a dSLR user proning on the floor/squatting, trying to take a few photos of a girl/talent/model wearing a short mini skirt is very noticable.. If i was the girl I'd think he's trying to capture something wrong too. Wouldn't you?

 

[slooow]

:angel: i guess there is nothing wrong taking pics of them

they do advertise their products in most of the shots i see... [like apple.... holding green apples and one ipod - cool]

they do attract crowd

they do attract photographers which attracts more crowd

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imho i feel that only narrow minded boss would fear that sales-rep or models are wasting time if they are posing for photos away...

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in anycase, this is my first time asking upfront for permission if they would like to pose while i take a pic for them... i ask politely, they have the choice to accept or to reject... even if rejected, i smile, thank them and walk off... [coincidentally there is one lady who told me "my boss does not allow us to take photos, so sorry...]

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about the case of the up-skirt incident... no clue what actually happened so i really am in no position to comment. [just curious, has it got to do with the harley-davidson model? dont think other models got a chance except her]

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oh sharks! it totally didnt occur to me to ask for email or number! but i know peggy and kimberly are from CS too... and... and... i didnt ask for their nicks either.... [where are the two of you?? pm me okie :angel: ]

 

[syc77]

Ermz.. I mentioned 1 of the photographers who trying to, I didn't say photographers who did. I don't know what he took because it's what the girl told me, so I'm not going to comment on that.
However, it is a dSLR user pointed out to me. Well, I think a dSLR user proning on the floor/squatting, trying to take a few photos of a girl/talent/model wearing a short mini skirt is very noticable.. If i was the girl I'd think he's trying to capture something wrong too. Wouldn't you?

I prone all the time.
I was even nicknamed as Sandbag.
I just make sure i let the subjects see the pics i take.no big deal.

 

[slooow]

Ermz.. I mentioned 1 of the photographers who trying to, I didn't say photographers who did. I don't know what he took because it's what the girl told me, so I'm not going to comment on that.
However, it is a dSLR user pointed out to me. Well, I think a dSLR user proning on the floor/squatting, trying to take a few photos of a girl/talent/model wearing a short mini skirt is very noticable.. If i was the girl I'd think he's trying to capture something wrong too. Wouldn't you?

bro, there are many many shots from bottom view up... not meaning upskirt right?

can you imagine a "sir stamford raffles" pose by a girl.... and a photographer capturing from a bottom view up...

i reckon not bad what.... this should still be considered proper framing technique right? or unscrupulous technique?

[i am not helping anyone or against anyone.....:angel: just asking valid questions i hope.]

ya, if the girl feels violated, she has every right to cry... now the incident is over and she held her peace without doing anything, why are you still sore over it?

i totally understand everything you said and tried to convey [hopefully i really did] and i feel that your story may be one sided. unless we can hear from the lady involved and the photographer, it is unfair to feel that this photographer is indeed unscrupulous

 

[slooow]

bro unseen. in anycase, if the photographer was really that unscrupulous then it is definitely wrong...

...personally do you think it is alright to ask models or sales-rep to pose for a decent shot?

 

[syc77]

bro unseen. in anycase, if the photographer was really that unscrupulous then it is definitely wrong...

...personally do you think it is alright to ask models or sales-rep to pose for a decent shot?

As I have said during my dinner with my friends,models allowing photo taking is based on their client.if it's part of the deal,she has no rights to say no.if it's not mention in the deal,the models have very right to refuse us.

As for sales rep,they r there to close the deal or to help ans questions for the models.I guess u want ask for pics,yes or no depends on them

 

[foxyseven]

it depends from booth owner to booth owner i guess?

camera brands have models for obvious reasons, photogenic models to be exact, so that people could try their products and such... as cameras are the biggest things in IT shows imho.

next, some ppl could genuinely prefer to hire good looking girls to promote their product.. sex sells, undeniably, and approaches by photographers to take pics of girls is common even if the girl isnt exactly a "model".

We were advised to not take pics after saying Okay! for two days cause the upper management said that since the brand is included in the pic (our tees, etc), if there was anything wrong or anything bad being said abt us it could bring the brand down. (This is just another point of view, i agree with the models advertising for brand view but theres also adverse effect to things that seem good i guess? though the management didnt really state what "bad" there could be.)

So far, the photographers we've met are quite nice and ask for permission nicely from the girls.. =D They were darlings. No upskirt shooters met yet. =x

Awaiting next Sitex! =D

One thing noted. Girls these days are really taller.... QQ ...

 

[horizon_grazer]

Any CSer can id the leftmost babe in this Samsung gals grp shoot :dunno:
Looks vry familiar but just can't recall her name ;p

 

[unseen]

ya, if the girl feels violated, she has every right to cry... now the incident is over and she held her peace without doing anything, why are you still sore over it?

i totally understand everything you said and tried to convey [hopefully i really did] and i feel that your story may be one sided. unless we can hear from the lady involved and the photographer, it is unfair to feel that this photographer is indeed unscrupulous

ermz.. you just demostrated you don't. :bsmilie:

bro unseen. in anycase, if the photographer was really that unscrupulous then it is definitely wrong...

...personally do you think it is alright to ask models or sales-rep to pose for a decent shot?

Of course. I do that too. I don't ask them to keep changing poses, taking photo after photo, then after taking up 10 min of the models time, ask to take photos WITH her, then ask her for her email address etc.

I prone all the time.
I was even nicknamed as Sandbag.
I just make sure i let the subjects see the pics i take.no big deal.

Wow. Respect. You prone all the time to take to take body shots of standing subjects wearing mini skirts? Must teach me leh. My dSLR lousy one, take from that angle, most of the time look ugly, subjects got ugly pig noses, and small heads.
Anyway I believe the difference between you and the photographer is the last bit. Well then, maybe those photographers who take photos in potentially compromising positions show those photos that they take.

I would like to distant myself from this fracas.
As I've said: I've not seen the photos, or how the photographer did it. All I know is, that is what a good friend told me, and she's a very straightforward person. She's not exactly sure what he took too, but she's offended. explaining to me or persuading me doesn't do a thing. The photographer didn't clear her doubts.
Oh ya. a side note: She does pop by CS once in a while.

Contrary to popular believe, I don't really care about how the photographers shoot. I've got subjects questionining why I like to point up and point down when I take their photos, some girls presume I'm taking photos of their breasts (I focus on their eyes then recompose). I've never felt the need to explain, as showing my end results always clear their doubts.

I'm just keeping the photographers at large informed of the situation. IMHO as a portrait photographer I wouldn't like to be known around as "the guy who XXX", where XXX is a negative arbitary description. Such description gets around fast (amongst the models/talents/beauty pageant contestants). Everyone is different of course, you may just take pride in such titles, but not me.

 

[eow]

Unseen does this happened recently?

 

[airyfairy01]

Guys... please don't use CS or photography as an excuse to knw girls k.... holding the camera probably gives u a certain level of 'power' but the whole.. 'snap snap snap, can i have ur number/email pls' is totally sh**ty...

Of course.. there are those who snap snap snap and ask for emails without any other intentions... am not dissing all. Just don't make photography out to be another lame excuse...

 

[slooow]

Guys... please don't use CS or photography as an excuse to knw girls k.... holding the camera probably gives u a certain level of 'power' but the whole.. 'snap snap snap, can i have ur number/email pls' is totally sh**ty...

Of course.. there are those who snap snap snap and ask for emails without any other intentions... am not dissing all. Just don't make photography out to be another lame excuse...

you and unseen are both respectable...
i already pm unseen liao... i said i think i will shy away into the shadows of scenery and macro shots

i feel sorry for ladies who are treated as dolls...

now i know what has been bothering me about shooting them, they are human, not dolls... should respect them more:thumbsup:

maybe we can come up with a team of models to educate photographers on the dos and donts... better for both parties then...

 

[cikgoo]

taking upskirt pics is a criminal offence..
already one guy got jailed for that....

better becareful...

 

[yilishengxian]

FYI, we do let them preview the images after we have taken their pictures. If they don't like, we will delete the image infront of them.

 

[yilishengxian]

ermz.. you just demostrated you don't. :bsmilie:

Of course. I do that too. I don't ask them to keep changing poses, taking photo after photo, then after taking up 10 min of the models time, ask to take photos WITH her, then ask her for her email address etc.



Wow. Respect. You prone all the time to take to take body shots of standing subjects wearing mini skirts? Must teach me leh. My dSLR lousy one, take from that angle, most of the time look ugly, subjects got ugly pig noses, and small heads.
Anyway I believe the difference between you and the photographer is the last bit. Well then, maybe those photographers who take photos in potentially compromising positions show those photos that they take.

I would like to distant myself from this fracas.
As I've said: I've not seen the photos, or how the photographer did it. All I know is, that is what a good friend told me, and she's a very straightforward person. She's not exactly sure what he took too, but she's offended. explaining to me or persuading me doesn't do a thing. The photographer didn't clear her doubts.
Oh ya. a side note: She does pop by CS once in a while.

Contrary to popular believe, I don't really care about how the photographers shoot. I've got subjects questionining why I like to point up and point down when I take their photos, some girls presume I'm taking photos of their breasts (I focus on their eyes then recompose). I've never felt the need to explain, as showing my end results always clear their doubts.

I'm just keeping the photographers at large informed of the situation. IMHO as a portrait photographer I wouldn't like to be known around as "the guy who XXX", where XXX is a negative arbitary description. Such description gets around fast (amongst the models/talents/beauty pageant contestants). Everyone is different of course, you may just take pride in such titles, but not me.

Images posted which they do not like, we can remove them, thats the best we can do for now.

I don't see anything wrong in taking photos together with the models. Lots of people are doing that. Its common. These images are only for ourselves to keep. Maybe its you, who didn't look around enough during the show to notice that ...

And FYI, there are some who wanted their photos sent to them. And think of this, they did not have much time to take pictures of themselves during the show.

I wouldn't prone and take photos during the event. But do it during normal model shoots when I think the angle is nice. But all I can do is to suggest the model to preview the images after they are taken, to clear their doubts.

 

[yilishengxian]

Guys... please don't use CS or photography as an excuse to knw girls k.... holding the camera probably gives u a certain level of 'power' but the whole.. 'snap snap snap, can i have ur number/email pls' is totally sh**ty...

Of course.. there are those who snap snap snap and ask for emails without any other intentions... am not dissing all. Just don't make photography out to be another lame excuse...

Whether its to know girls or not, its up to them to decide. And besides, there's something called an Ignore List for IMs and email accounts.

And there are infact a number of photographers willing to send the pictures to them. I'll send mine when I get them time to finish pp all of them ...

 

[yilishengxian]

taking upskirt pics is a criminal offence..
already one guy got jailed for that....

better becareful...

I don't take upskirt images. Infact, to me, its boring to look at upskirt images. Wonder how those perverts enjoy looking at them anyway.

 

[Garion]

you and unseen are both respectable...
i already pm unseen liao... i said i think i will shy away into the shadows of scenery and macro shots

i feel sorry for ladies who are treated as dolls...

now i know what has been bothering me about shooting them, they are human, not dolls... should respect them more:thumbsup:

maybe we can come up with a team of models to educate photographers on the dos and donts... better for both parties then...

Allow me to add my 2 cents...I think basically its the general etiquette of such photographers thats called in to question here...majority of these photogs do not have any ill intent, they are just there to snap away, but I guess its the way they treat the models at such events as if it were at a paid model shoot...asking them to pose this way and that or what not, hounding them for photos etc....I agree with what slooow had mentioned, photogs should show some basic respect and courtesy, and understand their position...they have been standing posing and smiling for long hours with little breaks, facing the crowd, enduring countless flashes and occasional pick me-ups and unwanted leers....well basically they got a tough job to do...and well faced with this kinda thing...makes it even worse.

Yes education may be the correct way but how to go about it is the question. Not everyone will adhere to the rules or guidelines....there will still be some out there who will still behave the same way regardless.

And this is an open public event...its a free for all, how to enforce anything? Unless put all the models behind a counter and put up large signs stating "No Photography allowed"?

 

[compro_1975]

let me add to this, i do experience problem in taking photos too.

maybe is becos of the 'despo' expression some photographers gives to the promoter gals, i had made me felt hard to approach them for pixs, worring that may be labelled 'despo' etc... the gals are rather kind, but sometime when them see a 16+ guy asking for a photo, using P&S, they may had have a short funny expression. i :dunno: why is it so, but i think we should respect each other and know our limits.

maybe is becos of the 'despo' expression some photographers gave, i only had the guts to take 20+ pixs, and sometimes even felt it hard becos before i get to the models, there will be some standing there taking photos for like 5+mins, knowing they have to work, i would just hav to walk aside.

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i think the saying of P&S is been use to take upskirt is a little wrong. i use FX8 for the past 1 year, and i do not think it has the ability to take upskirt pixs. the poor light conditions and short zoom range is a big disadvantage for them.

P&S is also not very 'welcome' by mayb some gals, as they may feel that you are just taking the pix for fun, moreover they would not be entertain us (learn thru experience:cry: :embrass: ). but some are really nice, they would joke and promote their product with them. Prone down too, also look funny using P&S. cos the impression gave for compact is for fun and not serious which is not ture for me.

i believe is the way we should control ourselves as photographers too. and make everyone equal no matter is P&S or DSLR. i hope for that day for my first model shoot*hope there would be at the end of the year*that i could use my compact to take photos, which could be as nice as dSLR

 

[zaxh81]

i just msn with 2 of the gals at the show and there was indeed this incident of pestering for email add.
feel so sad for the community. :thumbsd: