OMG! That so reminds me of a younger pre-op Michael Jackson circa Jackson 5 era! Ultra retroz mznz!!
Jay ... could I ask a small question?
If yes ... ok: What's a camera or lens to you/your work?
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OMG! That so reminds me of a younger pre-op Michael Jackson circa Jackson 5 era! Ultra retroz mznz!!
Jay ... could I ask a small question?
If yes ... ok: What's a camera or lens to you/your work?
Killer_Jay
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bro,
is tat the question u gonna ask or there is another question u wanna ask? hahahhaaha
i am using a 350D. the photos are taken with 50mm f1.8. if u wanna ask wats the setting, its f14 @ 1/30 sec. bro wildstallion had told me tat the shutter speed too low and apperture too high liao.
jay
Killer_Jay
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oops. sorry, din read the question properly.
to me, a camera is just like a car. lenses are just like the enhancement to the car.
its not the camera/car that make the different, its the person controlling it. if he is good, he will be able to push the camera/car to the limit. however, lenses/enhancement will give him more room to push it further.
of cos every camera/car will have its limitation, if after all the enhancement and he feel tat its still slow, it mean tat time for him to upgrade/downgrade liao.
tat is just me, no one has to agree with my perception.
yeah, i agree with Wildstallion.
next try out F11, 1/125 or something around that region.
...to me, a camera is just like a car. lenses are just like the enhancement to the car.
its not the camera/car that make the different, its the person controlling it. if he is good, he will be able to push the camera/car to the limit. however, lenses/enhancement will give him more room to push it further.
of cos every camera/car will have its limitation, if after all the enhancement and he feel tat its still slow, it mean tat time for him to upgrade/downgrade liao.
tat is just me, no one has to agree with my perception.
OK, what do you use a camera or car for?
I'll get straight to the point:
A car gets you from point A to point B - it's a form of transportation.
The CAR itself is just a tool, just like a camera and lens/flash. This is the primary.
Depending on make/model and adjustments as well as fittings like what kind of tyers you choose, it's just going to take you faster or slower, more or less efficient. Overall, it affects performance.
Some of the differences will make you feel and look more or less confident about hardware choices while for many, the 'chioness factor' is also important. :bsmilie: Manufacturers and high flying marketing gurus count on that to pay for their villas and sea-fronting properties.
- These are what I would term as secondaries. Not as crucial as the car itself, but with the correct choices and balance in those choices, it can makes your ride so much more effecient, and yes, presentable to yourself or others.
Why did I bring that up?
I keep seeing your arguements (noun, not verb) about your feelings on post processing.
I'm wondering if I could help you settle your mixed feelings about it...
The camera/equipment is like the car - critical for capturing or some say, creating an image.
Post Processing, even your choice of developers and temperatures and degree of agitation, like in the old days (since I think you mentioned 'old school' and 'old man'), is all part of the secondary crucials to achieving your objective. Without post work, your image is still intact, but more in it's 'latent' or unfinished form.
Because of the sheer power that any kind of post processing puts in the hand of the skilled technician (even in the good old darkroom), whether it remains a secondary process, or overshadows the primary and takes center-stage is all a matter of balance and requirements - as long as it fufills your objectives.
So, ultimately how much or how little post processing you use depends on one single factor - does it help you fufill your objectives?
Then I would ask, what were your objectives? Strange as it seems, most people actually go through most of life never really knowing 'Why', and spend most of their living energy on the hows, whats, when and wheres and to some extent, with who(m).
OK, I'll admit I wrote that in an eloborate manner, and it might take you some time to read and digest it, but hey, in our Maggie Mee instant everything society, that may not be a bad thing afterall. I could have edited it to half the amount of words, but it's a bright sunny morning :bigeyes:, I just woke up and have not had my kopi kao yet. :bsmilie:
And yeah, bump up that shutter speed a little will yeh?
CHEERS!
You should be saying this to this one other person here who doesn't believe in pp.
...haven't had my kopi yet ... struggling ... brain fading awayyyyyyy............... hehehehe......
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nice attempt.
but watch the the highlights, and the shadows a little.
its not difficult to snap a pretty girl and get a pretty girl image, but a good portrait is one that "speaks" to you, and there is more of a "feel" to the picture than just visual input, on the mood etc.
not too sure if a screen is a good way to judge pictures, but if you can, print out a set, and see it in hard copy. it makes all the difference as compared to the screen. after all sharpness/softness.. etc the 72/72 dpi screen isnt a good representation unlike a 300/300dpi print.
most lenses, i.e. the 50mm f1.4 is the sharpest around f4-f8. f14 is almost the smallest aperture already (16 on most f1.4 lenses), subjected to softness when used at that aperture. shoot the pic sharp, post process to soften it, and then sharpen details like outlines, eyebrows, eyes, hair etc.
not too bad for a first shoot, time to pick up some comments from everyone, and some day you will be able to produce public-ly appreciated shots.
but watch the the highlights, and the shadows a little.
its not difficult to snap a pretty girl and get a pretty girl image, but a good portrait is one that "speaks" to you, and there is more of a "feel" to the picture than just visual input, on the mood etc.
not too sure if a screen is a good way to judge pictures, but if you can, print out a set, and see it in hard copy. it makes all the difference as compared to the screen. after all sharpness/softness.. etc the 72/72 dpi screen isnt a good representation unlike a 300/300dpi print.
most lenses, i.e. the 50mm f1.4 is the sharpest around f4-f8. f14 is almost the smallest aperture already (16 on most f1.4 lenses), subjected to softness when used at that aperture. shoot the pic sharp, post process to soften it, and then sharpen details like outlines, eyebrows, eyes, hair etc.
not too bad for a first shoot, time to pick up some comments from everyone, and some day you will be able to produce public-ly appreciated shots.
sykestang
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Here is an unsharpened and unedited 100% crop.
This is my understanding of sharp.
May I know what camera and lens to produce this picture? You sure nothing has been done on this unedited 100% crop of a digital photo right from a digital camera? It seems that all iptc/exif data of this picture has been removed which I see there is no reasons why it is so. :dunno:
For those who are looking at this thread. One personal question is, are you reading using a LCD monitor or a CRT monitor?
I've both a 21" Sony Trinitron professional CRT and a 19" Samsung LCD monitor. Both calibrated using EYEOne gretag mcbeth calibrator and both gave different results. On my LCD, the pictures of Killer_jay does shows some hotspots however on my CRT, it is ok without the hotspots. Do understand the difference of LCD and CRT. The best Professional LCD, ACD in the market does not give you true 24bit colours and majority only from 16bit-19bit. As such some colours may appear as 'hot spots' on your display.
My urge for those reading and would like to give comments to be fair and follow your heart and not be bias and follow "where the wind blows".
DP comments maybe harsh but he does have his intention behind for doing so. I believe he does not need others to follow suit and tag along his comments.
could be :think::bsmilie:
Must be
Anyway, to TS, I believe we should concentrate on the shot first, once that is established, we can spend more time PPing all we want. Coz all the PPing in the world may not save a badly taken shot.
Killer_Jay
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bro,
wow, such a long reply just to tell me to follow my heart for the PP. thanks. kopi kao on me if we happened to meet.
anyway, OT a bit, my personal philosophy is to concentrate on the "How" rather than "Why".
e.g. i prefer to ask myself "how to make my job easier and enjoyable?" than to "why am i doing this kind of sh*ty job?"
if we use tat in photography it will be "how to make my pictures looks better?" rather than "why my pictures look so awlful?"
jay the philosopher
Nong nong reply cos I just woke up and editing down text is a JOB to me, not something I do routinely. Oso din haf my kopi kao yet. Bwahahaha!
Anyways. I prefer to think of it as 'why' is always more important because that sets the direction and parameters of the hows. Macam like 'why' is always the 'objective', loosely speaking, so, ok, I want to create or capture a certain mood and achieve this or that (the objective), then I will go about finding out how to achieve that. To me, it makes more sense as a logical sequence and saves a lot of time, mistakes and heartache.
Gotta go. Believe it or not, haven't had lunch yet. Wanna buy me a loti plata? Kekekeke...!
Anyways. I prefer to think of it as 'why' is always more important because that sets the direction and parameters of the hows. Macam like 'why' is always the 'objective', loosely speaking, so, ok, I want to create or capture a certain mood and achieve this or that (the objective), then I will go about finding out how to achieve that. To me, it makes more sense as a logical sequence and saves a lot of time, mistakes and heartache.
Gotta go. Believe it or not, haven't had lunch yet. Wanna buy me a loti plata? Kekekeke...!
Everyone just needs to have some tact. TS is not asking for sugar coated comments.
"The photo wasn't executed well. You should have done this and this and this" :thumbsup:
as compared to
"This photo sucks. Why did you do this? Are you retarded? This is a mess! OMG what is possibly going through that small brain of yours?" :thumbsd:
The first comment isn't sugar coated. It's called TACT. Which many of the people in this forum lack. It's also called courtesy, and would also lean towards being civil and gentlemanly to each other in the forum.
So please, don't be such a bitch. You'd never want to be treated like that at ANY POINT OF TIME IN YOUR LIFE. And don't compare it to National Service. It's an entirely different thing altogether. We are learning through experiences here in this forum, not being forced into a conscript army's disciplinary structure in a short amount of time.
That being said, yes, DP's way of commenting is rather offensive, but if you've spent time in the forum you'll get used to it. You'll also realize that you'd start ignoring his offensive remarks and take his comments seriously. Once you can do that, you'll be able to learn and progress. I personally feel that his comments are superb for newbies and uhm.. oldbies alike.
Art is a very subjective thing. Even if you had posted Russell Wong's (or any other accomplished photographers') pictures here, someone will comment negatively about it. DP might even find some poses he doesn't like. So don't be discouraged.
as i said b4 the world owes no one anything. People don't want to be tactful with you then tough. learn to live with it. For you to say that ns is different is complete bs. Also Isn't it extremely hypocritical of you to be talking about tact and courtesy when you choose to stoop to calling me a bitch?:nono:
actually your photo taking is all right..sincere feeling from heath is most beautiful.
I like your photo taking model face can turn side abit,try don't face front to camera I think is fine..
her face just me feeling "long" abit :sweat: ...she look beautiful if smiling.. :thumbsup:
can try other angle maybe from bottom side shot up more better?
can't wait to see more your new work.. nice shot.
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I like your photo taking model face can turn side abit,try don't face front to camera I think is fine..
her face just me feeling "long" abit :sweat: ...she look beautiful if smiling.. :thumbsup:
can try other angle maybe from bottom side shot up more better?
can't wait to see more your new work.. nice shot.
:thumbsup:Killer_Jay
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actually your photo taking is all right..sincere feeling from heath is most beautiful.
I like your photo taking model face can turn side abit,try don't face front to camera I think is fine..
her face just me feeling "long" abit :sweat: ...she look beautiful if smiling.. :thumbsup:
can try other angle maybe from bottom side shot up more better?
can't wait to see more your new work.. nice shot.
bro,
thank you. glad tat u like it. yes, she is beautiful. and very professional also. noticed a few moment tat she is actually quite tired but she still can smile at 8 cameras. :thumbsup:
errr.... yes. her face look a bit "long" but maybe tats bcos i still dunnoe how to shoot her with "shorter" face.
dunnoe will have another chance to work with her again or not....
the rest of the photos are in my flicker.
jay
Friend,
when you shoot in a group in studio, who ever is shooting is calling the shots. Namely you tell the model what to do, if necessary (if you can do it quick) make adjustments to the lights - it can as simple as turning one light off or on... but this is only if you know what u are doing and can do fast your buddies are not going to wait for you. So if you did not get it done right, it's you fault n no one elses.... although the converse I have never heard it being said - my shot was great because my buddies were in the studio. If this was a camera club affair then my sympathies for you.
The concept of getting it right in camera seems to something you do not accept. Post production should be about gilding the lilly not painting the lilly. Studio is unforgiving if your lights are wrong it becomes a nightmare where even PS cannot not cure.
Since we shoot digital post processing is a necessary evil to bring every thing up to par. To correct what should have been done before clicking - sort of falls in over post processing. Along with using technics for the sake of using them. A bad pic can be disguised to fool those who do not know better but it can never fool any one who looks and really sees.
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