Canon 5d2 now? REALLY NEED HELP FROM 5d2 USERS!!

[evilorgi]

if no hurry, perhaps just wait a little while. Prices in US is dropping fast. I sold my 2 year old 5D2 a few months ago and got more than the present US selling price.
If you don't mind a resale set, I reckoned you will soon be able to pick up a good deal in BnS.

actually the deal in bns is not always good, sometimes a brand new gray set cost lesser than those on sale in bns section...

 

[evilorgi]

The DOF for a FF as compared to a crop is linearly proportional to the amount of crop ie. 1.6x for the same field of view.

So a 24-105mm F/4 L IS on a FF is equivalent to 15-65 mm F/2.5 IS on a crop, which makes it wider, longer and faster than a 17-55mm on 7D, and with L lens built and quality construction to boot.

Alternatively, a 17-55mm on a crop is also equivalent to a 27-88 mm F/4.5 on a full frame, therefore it does not have as much reach as the 24-105mm, nor as wide, nor as fast an aperture as well.

Therefore, for those who are wishing for a FF version of the 17-55, the 24-105 L has already exceeded expectations when mounted to FF.

i dont get the faster part you meant by having the 24-105L on FF compared to 17-55 on cropped. in terms of bokeh, prolly f4 would be better than f2.8 on a cropped... as for the fast part, if you dont increase the ISO, then how is it that the shutter speed can be faster? f/4 is still the bottleneck imo...

 

[IsenGrim]

5dmk(x) will never come with 7d AF.
Thats called a 1Dx

Now i'm contemplating whether to spend 7000 for a 1dx or 2500 for a 5d2 (upgrading from 7d)
get 1dx sure can use for the next 5 years.
get 5d2 sure need to upgrade in the next 2-3 years.

 

[huatman]

5dmk(x) will never come with 7d AF.
Thats called a 1Dx

Now i'm contemplating whether to spend 7000 for a 1dx or 2500 for a 5d2 (upgrading from 7d)
get 1dx sure can use for the next 5 years.
get 5d2 sure need to upgrade in the next 2-3 years.

To me, I feel 1Dx is like combination of 1D & 1Ds instead? (Just my feel, may be wrong).
I know of ppl who bought 5D mk1 brand new many yrs ago and now still using it (for assignment etc). So it up to u who want or feel a need upgrade or not few yrs later.

 

[Kiwira]

if it's money worth you're asking, get a classic instead bro :>

 

[yhchoong]

i dont get the faster part you meant by having the 24-105L on FF compared to 17-55 on cropped. in terms of bokeh, prolly f4 would be better than f2.8 on a cropped... as for the fast part, if you dont increase the ISO, then how is it that the shutter speed can be faster? f/4 is still the bottleneck imo...

Yes you are totally right, sorry for the misnomer. I was referring to it solely in terms of bokeh and not faster aperture, although now that I've come to think of it, the FF advantage of say a 5D2 in ISO performance is around 1.5x better than Canon's current 18MP crop sensors. This will allow you to increase shutter speed to have a pseudo "faster" lens of the 24-105 when mounted to the FF as compared to a 17-55 on the crop since you can increase ISO accordingly with no image degradation beyond that of the crop.

 

[metalgear]

this debate will never end.
if can wait, wait. if not for the price difference you get to shoot on a full frame body in the meantime. and it could take a long time as canon is really in no hurry to launch a class leading 5D replacement.

 

[BraveHart]

Why change from a APS-C to a Full Frame in the first place is the question you should ask yourself. Just for the technical specs? Or will switching to full frame really improve your photography significantly?

If you approach these purchases from a photography expectation and requirement point of view you'll find your choices much easier to make. If its from a dollar and cents point of view there's no end to chasing the technological curve, especially when you factor in obsolences and product life cycles.

 

[sanfong]

My reply to TS will be go ahead now! The price is at its lowest, grab this chance before mkiii is out and it will be same price as its predecessors' first appearance on shelves.

I was exploring options for last few months whether to switch system or wait. Finally I said follow your heart, I'm going to get 5dmkii after work today!!

 

[eleveninth]

My reply to TS will be go ahead now! The price is at its lowest, grab this chance before mkiii is out and it will be same price as its predecessors' first appearance on shelves.

I was exploring options for last few months whether to switch system or wait. Finally I said follow your heart, I'm going to get 5dmkii after work today!!

2nd hand?

 

[valenlks]

Haha Sanfong! I've gotten my 5d2 on Christmas eve. ! Hope you'll enjoy it too!

 

[doodah]

The DOF for a FF as compared to a crop is linearly proportional to the amount of crop ie. 1.6x for the same field of view.

So a 24-105mm F/4 L IS on a FF is equivalent to 15-65 mm F/2.5 IS on a crop, which makes it wider, longer and faster than a 17-55mm on 7D, and with L lens built and quality construction to boot.

Alternatively, a 17-55mm on a crop is also equivalent to a 27-88 mm F/4.5 on a full frame, therefore it does not have as much reach as the 24-105mm, nor as wide, nor as fast an aperture as well.

Therefore, for those who are wishing for a FF version of the 17-55, the 24-105 L has already exceeded expectations when mounted to FF.

Glad to see someone who understands all these things so well in Clubsnap. Everything you say is perfectly true. Now, if only Canon is willing to release a FF camera with pentamirror instead of pentaprism to reduce weight...

 

[natio]

The DOF for a FF as compared to a crop is linearly proportional to the amount of crop ie. 1.6x for the same field of view.

The APS-C will give a depth of field equivalent to setting the aperture on the FF camera 1.3 stops narrower, not 1.6, because stops are a base-2 log scale, and the base-2 log of 1.6 = 1.3.

 

[eleveninth]

The APS-C will give a depth of field equivalent to setting the aperture on the FF camera 1.3 stops narrower, not 1.6, because stops are a base-2 log scale, and the base-2 log of 1.6 = 1.3.

[video=vimeo;19940853]http://vimeo.com/19940853[/video]

 

[Anthony Lee]

The DOF for a FF as compared to a crop is linearly proportional to the amount of crop ie. 1.6x for the same field of view.

So a 24-105mm F/4 L IS on a FF is equivalent to 15-65 mm F/2.5 IS on a crop, which makes it wider, longer and faster than a 17-55mm on 7D, and with L lens built and quality construction to boot.

Alternatively, a 17-55mm on a crop is also equivalent to a 27-88 mm F/4.5 on a full frame, therefore it does not have as much reach as the 24-105mm, nor as wide, nor as fast an aperture as well.

Therefore, for those who are wishing for a FF version of the 17-55, the 24-105 L has already exceeded expectations when mounted to FF.

Best joke I have heard in 2011.

 

[chengpenguin]

Best joke I have heard in 2011.

Actually his field of view or focal length calculations are ok... Just that there shouldn't be any aperture conversions.
Where got people multiply f-stops with sensor crop one...

Edit: He already corrected his words on post #26.

 

[GetzFie]

I'm from a 500D to 5DMKII. You won't regret it, worth every of your penny. =)

 

[valenlks]

yup same as u bro! 500d to 5d2!

 

[metalgear]

there will be no regrets moving to 5D or 5DII... if you use the camera for what it is designed for. anyway challenges are all part of the this hobby. imagine the perfect camera - only issue would be the user. so judge and decide based on your own need, time and money.

 

[ataraxia]

Completely agreed with the above sentiments supporting the 5DMII. AF has not been a problem, even when shooting children running around. It produces beautiful images, and I think it's more than enough camera for my needs (I have the same interests as you, mainly travel photography, street portraiture, social events). I think we don't always need to get the latest and best, if our shooting preferences don't require it. But that's me!

Having said that, I think 5D2 is a bit challenging for the classic street photographer as the camera is super obvious... I only use it because I ask my subjects for permission (yes, not actually street photography!).