Canon 450D users, please share your experience

[LittleWolf]

Thanks LW, what brand would you recommend?

Equipment purchase is always a compromise between various individual requirements. I don't think I am in a position to recommend any specific brand.

I read somewhere polarizing filters (CPL) are all the same?

There will be differences in construction and optical quality. The one thing I'm fairly certain of is that "more expensive" doesn't always mean "better".

 

[magic1980]

I finally got my first DSLR EOS 450D from John 3:16 yesterday.
No doubt, they are not the cheapest around.
But I like the sale method.
Not pushy and friendly...

Great!

Newbies here.... going to experiment with my set soon and ask lots of questions!!
Thanks in advance.

My first question is,
For indoor, or generally low light,
what is the max ISO setting you would recommend?

I understand from samuel yesterday that ISO 1600 - develop a 4R, also will not see the noise. true? I hasnt got the chance to develop a 4R to verify.

 

[calebk]

I finally got my first DSLR EOS 450D from John 3:16 yesterday.
No doubt, they are not the cheapest around.
But I like the sale method.
Not pushy and friendly...

Great!

Newbies here.... going to experiment with my set soon and ask lots of questions!!
Thanks in advance.

My first question is,
For indoor, or generally low light,
what is the max ISO setting you would recommend?

I understand from samuel yesterday that ISO 1600 - develop a 4R, also will not see the noise. true? I hasnt got the chance to develop a 4R to verify.

Noise level is not only dependent on ISO levels. If your picture has a lot of shadow (dark, underexposed) areas, you will see more visible noise. That said, everyone's tolerance of noise also varies, but generally speaking, all the new EOS bodies have superb noise control at high ISOs, even ISO 1600.

 

[magic1980]

Noise level is not only dependent on ISO levels. If your picture has a lot of shadow (dark, underexposed) areas, you will see more visible noise. That said, everyone's tolerance of noise also varies, but generally speaking, all the new EOS bodies have superb noise control at high ISOs, even ISO 1600.

Thanks. Can i check, for eg, night market like china town, or night street in thailand, kl, its usually dim. And high shadow. What's the max iso you would recommend? I using standard kit lens. No flash.

 

[doodah]

Thanks. Can i check, for eg, night market like china town, or night street in thailand, kl, its usually dim. And high shadow. What's the max iso you would recommend? I using standard kit lens. No flash.

Try this if you shoot in jpeg. Turn on noise reduction which helps to remove chroma noise without removing the fine details. Shoot at ISO 800 and 1600. See if it's acceptable to you. Personally, I have no qualms shooting at ISO 1600 with the XSi.

 

[stevenc]

yup, have a 450D too. ISO1600 has close to little noise. Just sold off my kit lens after keeping it for a month, to get a prime lens 50mm f/1.4. Great for shooting in low light and bokeh is nice. However, it has no IS.

 

[magic1980]

Try this if you shoot in jpeg. Turn on noise reduction which helps to remove chroma noise without removing the fine details. Shoot at ISO 800 and 1600. See if it's acceptable to you. Personally, I have no qualms shooting at ISO 1600 with the XSi.

How to turnon noise reduction which helps to remove chroma noise ?
special setting? sorry if its a dumb question.

 

[magic1980]

yup, have a 450D too. ISO1600 has close to little noise. Just sold off my kit lens after keeping it for a month, to get a prime lens 50mm f/1.4. Great for shooting in low light and bokeh is nice. However, it has no IS.

I tot of getting this lens soon.
no IS means shaky hands will turn out blur blur right?
is it really that sensitive?
I tot f/1.4 can use faster shutter speed, and hence shaking not that critical. :dunno:
Sorry, still trying to learn here.

 

[bernstein1234]

I tot of getting this lens soon.
no IS means shaky hands will turn out blur blur right?
is it really that sensitive?
I tot f/1.4 can use faster shutter speed, and hence shaking not that critical. :dunno:
Sorry, still trying to learn here.

Correct. If there is a fast shutter speed, the chance of a blurred shot is very very low. It also depends on your focal length. If using a 50mm lens for instance, the shutter speed needed to reduce chance of blur would be 1/50 (on Fullframe) and 1/80 (on cropped sensor). Thus is you find yourself getting 1/10 shutter speed when focusing, bump up the ISO till it becomes optimum shutter speed.

That said, in low light, I always try to use 1/100, though most of the times it's not possible due to extreme low light conditions or due to dark objects. Hence, I just bump up the ISO to the max which is 'acceptable' to me, which is 1250 (on my 5D). Then pray for the best the shot won't be too blur. If got slight blur, you can Photoshop and unmask sharpen.

 

[magic1980]

Correct. If there is a fast shutter speed, the chance of a blurred shot is very very low. It also depends on your focal length. If using a 50mm lens for instance, the shutter speed needed to reduce chance of blur would be 1/50 (on Fullframe) and 1/80 (on cropped sensor). Thus is you find yourself getting 1/10 shutter speed when focusing, bump up the ISO till it becomes optimum shutter speed.

That said, in low light, I always try to use 1/100, though most of the times it's not possible due to extreme low light conditions or due to dark objects. Hence, I just bump up the ISO to the max which is 'acceptable' to me, which is 1250 (on my 5D). Then pray for the best the shot won't be too blur. If got slight blur, you can Photoshop and unmask sharpen.

COOL!
thanks for the tips.

 

[Kusum Kangguru]

Hi all,

Can I check if the 450D can take 16GB SDHC card?
Is it possible to get a 16GB in Sg? Which brand is shown compatible?

Thanks. Thinking of getting a 450D

 

[calebk]

Correct. If there is a fast shutter speed, the chance of a blurred shot is very very low. It also depends on your focal length. If using a 50mm lens for instance, the shutter speed needed to reduce chance of blur would be 1/50 (on Fullframe) and 1/80 (on cropped sensor). Thus is you find yourself getting 1/10 shutter speed when focusing, bump up the ISO till it becomes optimum shutter speed.

That said, in low light, I always try to use 1/100, though most of the times it's not possible due to extreme low light conditions or due to dark objects. Hence, I just bump up the ISO to the max which is 'acceptable' to me, which is 1250 (on my 5D). Then pray for the best the shot won't be too blur. If got slight blur, you can Photoshop and unmask sharpen.

Hehe I see my philosophy in your signature.

Ok enough OT, TS, do take note that slight blurring can be sort of rescued with sharpening in Photoshop, but if it is obvious blur, then good luck to you. Learn and develop good handholding technique, and you will amaze yourself how slow you can hold with minimal shake (teehee, 2s anyone?).

 

[doodah]

How to turnon noise reduction which helps to remove chroma noise ?
special setting? sorry if its a dumb question.

Custom function 4

 

[magic1980]

hi thanks all. Can i check what is the slowest shutter speed one can set for stock lens with IS and 50mm f1.8 {1/100?} without affecting the blur-ness? I know its subjective and depends on individual. I hope to get an idea on the slowest shutter speed to set, so as not to bother so much on hand shake. Thanks a lot.

 

[calebk]

hi thanks all. Can i check what is the slowest shutter speed one can set for stock lens with IS and 50mm f1.8 {1/100?} without affecting the blur-ness? I know its subjective and depends on individual. I hope to get an idea on the slowest shutter speed to set, so as not to bother so much on hand shake. Thanks a lot.

You already said it's subjective so what's the point in your question?

The whole idea is you should know your own limits, not someone else telling you what their limits are.

 

[doodah]

hi thanks all. Can i check what is the slowest shutter speed one can set for stock lens with IS and 50mm f1.8 {1/100?} without affecting the blur-ness? I know its subjective and depends on individual. I hope to get an idea on the slowest shutter speed to set, so as not to bother so much on hand shake. Thanks a lot.

Here's the general rule and may not apply to everyone:

For 50 mm lens on 450D (crop factor of 1.6), equivalent focal length is 80 mm (in 35 mm terms). So, recommended slowest shutter speed for hand-holding is 1/80 sec.

With IS, you may get a 3 stop advantage. So, you may be able to handhold at 1/10 sec exposure for a 50 mm lens on the 450D.

Let me repeat: this can vary from one person to another, and may also depend on how much coffee you drink that day. :bsmilie:

 

[magic1980]

You already said it's subjective so what's the point in your question?

The whole idea is you should know your own limits, not someone else telling you what their limits are.

Sorry for that.
Cos my previous canon S5 IS,
when the shutter speed is less than 1/20, there will be a red sign, showing possible handshake.
but for this 450D,
dont seems to see it when i took 1 photo at shutter speed 1/5.
So I tot, there is a "slowest shutter speed" I should take note of for the 450D.

ignore my question if its meaningless.
cos i still exploring.

thanks anyway.

 

[calebk]

Sorry for that.
Cos my previous canon S5 IS,
when the shutter speed is less than 1/20, there will be a red sign, showing possible handshake.
but for this 450D,
dont seems to see it when i took 1 photo at shutter speed 1/5.
So I tot, there is a "slowest shutter speed" I should take note of for the 450D.

ignore my question if its meaningless.
cos i still exploring.

thanks anyway.

None of the EOS SLRs will tell you if there is possible handshake. You will have to know it yourself, as what I've already said.

What doodah said is correct - different lenses will give you a different minimum shutter speed. Generally speaking, longer focal length lenses will require a faster shutter speed to minimise handshake than shorter focal length lenses.

 

[magic1980]

ok. Got a good feel now. Thanks all.

 

[bernstein1234]

Hehe I see my philosophy in your signature.

Ok enough OT, TS, do take note that slight blurring can be sort of rescued with sharpening in Photoshop, but if it is obvious blur, then good luck to you. Learn and develop good handholding technique, and you will amaze yourself how slow you can hold with minimal shake (teehee, 2s anyone?).

Heh paiseh, do I have to give you royalties for taking the philosophy? :bsmilie: