Canon 300D: Another blow to Nikon?

[taker]

Canon rush out product too fast, that's why 10D got that focusing problem. I believe their servicing department must be cursing like hell.

Canon is treating digicam/DSLR like printers, scanner, monitor where they just make some cosmetic change and give it a new name every 6 to 12 months. Reason is they could shorten the life span of a product, parts & warranty. Hence more profit. less liablility. :nono:

Nikon still got an edge over superb product and engineering. Only those who cannot taste the grape would call it sour, just like the one above me.

 

[Darren]

Sanity Check For Everyone - please don't start degenerating this thread into flames or personal attacks.

 

[Garion]

Nikon must survive. Otherwise this game will be over and all Canon users will suffer. Pls keep getting more Nikon stuff and dont look over. Be proud of your equipment and stick to it. Anyway Canon only has a huge newbie user base, while Nikon "we take the world's greatest pictures", hah.

For fun only.

Yes, competition is good and would be beneficial to everyone, especially the end users like us. Nikon cannot sit idly by and watch Canon take over the lucrative digital camera market hook line and sinker. Likewise for the other brands as well (Sony, Olympus, Fuji etc.). If not, Canon would have a monopoly of the market, and we would be at their mercy. Nikon has to think up something to counter the 300D, be it announcing the (still rumoured) D70, drastically slashing the price of the current D100 or a revised D100 (D100x as someone had mentioned). Else, as tomshen had said, it will be "game over".

Not to paint such a gloomy "doomsday" scenario; Nikon is an established brand name and I'm sure they will be able to come out with a reply soon. But how "soon" is the question that is on everyone's mind...

BTW I thought Nikon's motto changed liao? It shld be "At the Heart of the Image" rite? ;p

 

[Pepper]

Nikon must survive. Otherwise this game will be over and all Canon users will suffer. Pls keep getting more Nikon stuff and dont look over. Be proud of your equipment and stick to it. Anyway Canon only has a huge newbie user base, while Nikon "we take the world's greatest pictures", hah.

For fun only.

Hah, another nikon flaming comment from you. Nikon must have previously stomped on your toes real hard? :think:

 

[tomshen]

Hah, another nikon flaming comment from you. Nikon must have previously stomped on your toes real hard? :think:

You don't get it. Those who cannot take jokes are not confident to themselves. There is no such a thing called brand loyalty to me. Shoot with any equipment which suit my needs. I think most Nikon users also dun bother.

 

[erwinx]

Canon already has the dominant share of the DSLR market - dpreview linked to a japanese newspaper stating Canon now has 80% DSLR market share, no need to encourage people to buy canon as can be seen by the constant out of stock status of 10D and now proabably 300D.

Instead, must support Nikon so the Canon will be forced to released new models (eg: to compete with D2H) and also to lower prices.

Nikon! Buy Buy Buy

 

[Kei]

yah ultimately is still

BUY BUY BUY

:bsmilie:

 

[Larry]

Then Olympus and Minolta how? :devil:

no what, Oly is launching E1 and the much touted Minolta D-SLR is supposedly on the warpath now. just ask 9Lives or sulhan or any of the Minolta fans...

 

[xdivider]

Is it a good idea to buy something knowing that history dictates there is a 60% chance that a cheaper revised version will be down the road in a few months? Never knew this type of things sudden become property and stock selling already. Skally buy for a few months u lost 1/2 ur resale value. Actually come to think of it, this reminds me of Windows................

 

[jasonpgc]

Is it a good idea to buy something knowing that history dictates there is a 60% chance that a cheaper revised version will be down the road in a few months? Never knew this type of things sudden become property and stock selling already. Skally buy for a few months u lost 1/2 ur resale value. Actually come to think of it, this reminds me of Windows................

Yes, I agree. D30..D60..10D..300D..... Like Hang Seng during the Crash :bsmilie:

 

[tomshen]

Is it a good idea to buy something knowing that history dictates there is a 60% chance that a cheaper revised version will be down the road in a few months? Never knew this type of things sudden become property and stock selling already. Skally buy for a few months u lost 1/2 ur resale value. Actually come to think of it, this reminds me of Windows................

Just like getting a PC. You know something faster cheaper fancier is on the way. But buy now, enjoy now. Life is short, waiting is meaningless. For most people, a 3-year old PC is till fine for basic processing, unless more advanced multi-media capability is demanded. Camera could last even longer. Why bother so much? This 300D is mostly for those who don't want spend too much on a camera. The rest can safely give it a miss and wait till new technology to come in the future. Then your next upgrade would be cheaper. Isn't it a good thing?

 

[Avatar]

I agree with Larry's educated evaluation of the whole scenario. The 300D is a first, so to say, for a Digital SLR to go below the almost magical US$1000 price range, which is IMO, a big step ahead not just for Canon, but for the entire photographic community instead.

We are photographers here, so lets not speculate on the numbers and/or how well a company will do. The D100 simply dominated the market after its launch, Canon refined the D60 with a 10D and took back some market share, it goes on and on. Both Canon and Nikon are market leaders, I feel it is only natural that they take the lead once in a while.

The Nikon D70 is coming right up, it should be somewhat a competitive camera that should give the 300D a run for its money, if not more. That said, the same theory always applies, that is "you pay for what you get". Don't expect either to compete with the bigger boys in their family

Lets concentrate more on our techniques than to harp over this issue over and over again. Shall we?

 

[mpenza]

This 300D is mostly for those who don't want spend too much on a camera. The rest can safely give it a miss and wait till new technology to come in the future. Then your next upgrade would be cheaper. Isn't it a good thing?

That's true. I wouldn't have bought it if the sale of my existing camera and accessories can't cover a major part of the cost.

 

[Larry]

have any of you ever considered that Nikon and Canon might be in cahoots? they might be secretly cooperating with each other to time their product launches so that they will present a facade of competition when all the time they're laughing behind our backs cos the real money is in lenses and accessories and we're all sitting here like ducks buying up the latest cameras and debating about which one is better when the technology's almost similar except for some marketing-imposed lingo...

:faint:

 

[Avatar]

have any of you ever considered that Nikon and Canon might be in cahoots? they might be secretly cooperating with each other to time their product launches so that they will present a facade of competition when all the time they're laughing behind our backs cos the real money is in lenses and accessories and we're all sitting here like ducks buying up the latest cameras and debating about which one is better when the technology's almost similar except for some marketing-imposed lingo...

:faint:

LARRYLOGY CONSPIRACY THEORY!!! I have to say I agree! :bsmilie:

 

[Winston]

Face it.. those that get 300D will be budget users, they can purchase the camera, but how many will go for L lenses or even 70-200mm lenses? I doubt it, most would be playing with the supplied 18-55mm kit lenses instead.

I just see that selling this way doesn't make it very good for the brand, seems like they're just whacking the market. Soon it will be flooded with photographers wannabes. That's what I see...

I am afraid that where you are wrong.

The stragery that Canon is playing is to get more people to fall in love with photography and Most photographers will continue to get cameras from the same brand if they had previous used the same brand and liked it.

And besides we all know that one of the reasons, that some of us DON'T switch camps is because they have too much $ sunk into the lenses and flashes that will have to be sold for a loss and that re-bought as Canon equals.

So by getting thousands of people to buy the 300D, Canon has more or less made sure that these people don't head to Nikon's side and fatten their competitor's wallets.

Irregardless whether the thousands of people buy L lenses or not.

Because not many people keep 2 systems at once.

Just like not many people hold 2 mobile phone lines (I know there are exceptions)
If M1/Singtel/StarHub can get 1 new user, someone who is buying phone for the 1st time, to sign up their plan, they are denying the competitor of the customer.
As switching lines, meant changing numbers (in the past) and after a while, when many people know their numbers it's hard to do so.
(just like selling all L lenses to go Nikon or vice versa)

As the customer base in Singapore is limited, there are only xxxx amount of customers.

Of course, in the case of mobile phones, you can switch from one operator to another w/o losing your number NOW. and now that ALL operators have Free Incoming calls, the advantage is lost and operators have to do more to retain their 'loyal' customers.

 

[xdivider]

I am afraid that where you are wrong.

The stragery that Canon is playing is to get more people to fall in love with photography and Most photographers will continue to get cameras from the same brand if they had previous used the same brand and liked it.

And besides we all know that one of the reasons, that some of us DON'T switch camps is because they have too much $ sunk into the lenses and flashes that will have to be sold for a loss and that re-bought as Canon equals.

So by getting thousands of people to buy the 300D, Canon has more or less made sure that these people don't head to Nikon's side and fatten their competitor's wallets.

Irregardless whether the thousands of people buy L lenses or not.

Because not many people keep 2 systems at once.

Just like not many people hold 2 mobile phone lines (I know there are exceptions)
If M1/Singtel/StarHub can get 1 new user, someone who is buying phone for the 1st time, to sign up their plan, they are denying the competitor of the customer.
As switching lines, meant changing numbers (in the past) and after a while, when many people know their numbers it's hard to do so.
(just like selling all L lenses to go Nikon or vice versa)

As the customer base in Singapore is limited, there are only xxxx amount of customers.

Of course, in the case of mobile phones, you can switch from one operator to another w/o losing your number NOW. and now that ALL operators have Free Incoming calls, the advantage is lost and operators have to do more to retain their 'loyal' customers.

Not necessarily. A lot of the new adopters will be those upgrading to prosumers like s7000 and 858. The strategy is sound provided the group learn and love an SLR's versatility. I suspect a lot of them will be planning on getting superzooms to leave on most of the time and most of the times, such zooms will not be OEM but by cheaper and larger variety third parties, as what i saw of frens of mine with beginner bodies equiped with 24-200s or 28-300s. Dun expect Sony and the rest will go down without a fight as Canon is now eating into their pie. I would think that there will be lots of ads trumping f2.0, 28mm, 10x zoom etc which is not so cheap on 1.6x crop dslrs. Imagine the cost of a 28-200 f2.0 zoom. If not anything, Canon would probably be eating into its G series market share as well.

 

[SianZronG]

frankly as my teacher likes to say all these loyalty stuff totally DEPENDS! there is no 100% .

we cannot tell if 1 person will want to buy a 300D or want to get a sony 828. we cannot tell if he likes a non SLR camera or a 10D. we cannot tell alot of things. we can only let time tell it's tale.

 

[Winston]

Canon rush out product too fast, that's why 10D got that focusing problem. I believe their servicing department must be cursing like hell.

Canon is treating digicam/DSLR like printers, scanner, monitor where they just make some cosmetic change and give it a new name every 6 to 12 months. Reason is they could shorten the life span of a product, parts & warranty. Hence more profit. less liablility. :nono:

Nikon still got an edge over superb product and engineering. Only those who cannot taste the grape would call it sour, just like the one above me.

By mass producing and releasing it fast they are capturing the market.

And there is no prove that Canon cannot support what they have sold. They have proven success in many fields of electronics, office automation equipments and such.

In this econmony you have to be quick to capture the market.

Look at seasoned bakeries like Four Leaves and Prima Deli, they have been around in Singapore for many years.
But did they succeed in 'capturing' the market?

BreadTalk is a new comer and while I will not say their bread is the most delicous out there.

Their marketing stagery to name the breads with fancy names and nice design and colors to be appealing to the eyes. is a winner.

After all, we know that for a food to be classified good, it has to have good color, smell and taste.

The Color comes first for the customer to 'see' or be attracted to the product, then the 'Smell' to whip up his hunger, then only HE BUYS and then finally eats it to TASTE.

If the product does not Attracts with good design, even if the engineering and after sales is good, no one will knows cause it takes someone has HAS BOUGHT to know.

BreadTalk came in with a new concept and quickly swamped the market with 11 branches (maybe even more) and it suddenly became like 'BreadTalk here and there....'

So if they start hitting the neighbourhood shops, even the neighbourhood bakeries may start to close.

While specialised bakeries make better cakes, it is not enough sales as the main market is lost.

If Nikon don't improve their marketing stagery, they are in trouble.

TRUE, they have their pool of 'LOYAL' customers with their lenses and will not switch camps.

The problem is, if they do not Increase the pool, their revenue from the existing customers is limited and hence it's their ability to R&D and produce more newer products.

Canon has products in many fields to generate income to fund R&D.

Nikon should stop protraying themselves as a very Professional only image as it may be shunned by newbies.

They should target the consumers market to get young people to famailarise with the brand.

If they can gain a larger 2MP,3MP,4MP consumer market, the customer will get used to the Nikon products and hopefully stick to nikon in his/her future purchases.

Just by lowering the DSLR prices won't save Nikon.

Afterall, where did all the 300D users come from, they all started with some consumer or prosumer cameras right?

 

[emollientcolt]

Hi,
would there be a market for camera equipments which are compaitable with all camera model?