Camera on board the plane

[zoossh]

Edit: imagine coroner's report - cause of death : blunt trauma from heavy photographic lens

i think i really have to imagine very hard for that as a primary cause of death.

then very soon we have to think about how to make the walls, floors, roofs and chairs within the plane not able to cause severe blunt trauma in a fall or turbulent throw.

there should be reasonable limits within which things are practise and i think it should be judged based on that consideration rather than digging the dead corners.

 

[lennyl]

i think i really have to imagine very hard for that as a primary cause of death.

Alamak, joking only, OK? I forgot to put the smilie at the end of that statement.

Only case I can think of where lens being cause of death is the cameraman Mazen Dana, shot by US soldiers thinking his (video?) camera is a rocket launcher. BTW still lots of conspiracy theories about this one.

that sounds exaggerated about paying attention to the gadgets during emergency manoeuvres.

if that is the case of having loose equipment, they should inhibit all loose items on the lap and hand as a universal rule rather than just on electronics.

They do - thats why food trays are collected and your carry-on has to be under seat or in overhead compartment during take-off and landing. Emergency manoeuvres are emergencies - you don't have pilot calmly announce "we're going to abort our landing in the next 60 seconds".

Would you agree you're a lot less likely to get hurt from a hairbrush than, say, a laptop if it flies into your face because the pilot had to suddenly abort a landing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueJeC2pxxbM

I'm glad I'm not on *that* plane...

Anyway, like I said, if you want to use your camera during take-off and landing, go ahead. Turn off flash, do it discreetly if you don't want to confront flight attendants. On the plane, their word is law, and you can be arrested for disobeying them.

 

[blive]

Wow! Such a simple question, yet it elicit a huge discussion about everything to do with flights and crashes and all......amazing!

TS, don't worry, Just bring your camera on board and shoot when you want, but don't interrupt the air stewardess or the flight. In other words, don't make a fuss or show off! Keep your camera bag under the seat in front of you, so you could access it when you want.

 

[Daedalus Trent]

lol, huge discussion on crashing planes and SOP :think:

But personally, i just do it discretely
but Please do not try to hide yr camera when you see a steward/ess. sure kenna some servere consequences for suspicious acts :bigeyes:

anywais, slightly off OT topic... but what abt DSLRs in the un-pressurized luggage compartments? don't think anything should happen right? since SLRs aren't exactly airtight and pressure changes due to altitude increase are pretty much gradual, thus making a pressure build-up within the camera body's cavity quite unlikely....:think:

 

[iceberg]

main reason for switching off electronic devices are targetted at those which may be transmitting/receiving signals. e.g. handphones, laptop. these may potentially interfere with the airplane system. hence, you have to switch them off. camera wise, in the past, they don't have these functions. i have not seen anyone asking me to turn off my camera before. actually, there was this 1 time, captain announced some nice scenes, i just go from left to right of the plane with my camera phone (flight safe mode). stewardess see me just smile to me only.

 

[lennyl]

anywais, slightly off OT topic... but what abt DSLRs in the un-pressurized luggage compartments? don't think anything should happen right? since SLRs aren't exactly airtight and pressure changes due to altitude increase are pretty much gradual, thus making a pressure build-up within the camera body's cavity quite unlikely....:think:

Actually, luggage compartment on many planes is pressurized, but may not be climate controlled (i.e. may get really cold).

I don't think it is a problem even if unpressurized - otherwise shipping a camera by air would harm it.

There is a rule by the US department of transport about lithium batteries though. Specifically, it stated that loose lithium batteries - including rechargable - cannot be checked in, but must be in your carry-on. Batteries installed in device is OK.

They don't seem to enforce that very much, if at all. Definitely not as rigorously as the 3 ounce liquid rule and stupid remove-shoes-to-be-x-rayed rule. Still, if you do not want your luggage opened by security personnel and potentially have your batteries confiscated, don't do it.

 

[sky6108]

Seriously, there is no problem in bring your camera up on the plane. Believe you should have a camera bag with you so it's not a problem.

Also if you want to take any photos in the plane it's should be fine as long as you do not disturbs the others passenger and also follows the captain instruction. Also if you want to take a photo of the Air Stewards or Stewardess, ask them first.

Most important rule is: If unsure, ask the Steward/Stewardess.

 

[lennyl]

Wow! Such a simple question, yet it elicit a huge discussion about everything to do with flights and crashes and all......amazing!

TS, don't worry, Just bring your camera on board and shoot when you want, but don't interrupt the air stewardess or the flight. In other words, don't make a fuss or show off! Keep your camera bag under the seat in front of you, so you could access it when you want.

Next up : how a camera almost killed a man in a routine flight on I Shouldn't Be Alive :bsmilie:

The funny thing is that the TS didn't even say anything about using camera in the plane. But it was an interesting discussion.

 

[gsv13]

Perception i think

but as such its fun shooting the amazing world up there...nature is at its best out there .
I did shoot couple of times.only once i was objected..the air hostess insisted me not to click while seat belts indications are on ...and i obeyed it like a good boy )

Next up : how a camera almost killed a man in a routine flight on I Shouldn't Be Alive :bsmilie:

The funny thing is that the TS didn't even say anything about using camera in the plane. But it was an interesting discussion.

 

[swhyge]

BTW, pressurisation inside the plane to ONLY to allow passengers on board to feel the same pressure on air as it is on earth. The reason why some get blocked ears is due to change of altitude, the pressure remains the same.............

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Are sure this is the cause??? Wrong! sorry to be direct.


BTW, I carry my camera on board more than once monthly. My only worry is where to keep it so that others dun knock it or put heavy stuff on it or sometimes 'funny people' will just shift your stuff so that they can put just. ('cause if you cannot put it under your seat, you have to put it in the overhead compartment!)

There will be slight pressure change but will not cause any difference except your ears - for some. And your camera is not airtight - ambient pressure variation will equalise - you cam dun enough know about even if they have feeling.

 

[Snoweagle]

can i understand why it affects personal safety?

U'll know it when u're up there.

 

[Snoweagle]

Pressurization in cabin is to prevent passengers from dying from asphyxiation.

The plane does not maintain a constant cabin pressure throughout a trip. The ear popping sensation is due to changes in pressure due to the plane changing altitude.

Humans can survive in a large pressure range - from below sea level (scuba diving - pressure several times above sea level) to a few kilometers above sea level.

Having said that, there is nothing to worry about regarding cameras being carried onto the plane. What is more important is to ensure that they are packed securely to prevent damage.

Not exactly true, as told by one of my colleague who's an ex-flight engineer.

 

[lennyl]

Not exactly true, as told by one of my colleague who's an ex-flight engineer.

It'll be interesting to know exactly what your colleague said. Could be an interesting bit of trivia.

I flew a couple of times with an electronic barometer - definitely saw the cabin pressure change during ascent and descent. Sealed water bottles (when they were still allowed) also shows the pressure change very visibly by crumpling and re-inflating.

 

[Snoweagle]

It'll be interesting to know exactly what your colleague said. Could be an interesting bit of trivia.

I flew a couple of times with an electronic barometer - definitely saw the cabin pressure change during ascent and descent. Sealed water bottles (when they were still allowed) also shows the pressure change very visibly by crumpling and re-inflating.

What i meant was pressure has to maintain for us inside the cabin or there might be people passing out. Whatever i quoted was what he told me so he should know best.

 

[swhyge]

It'll be interesting to know exactly what your colleague said. Could be an interesting bit of trivia.

I flew a couple of times with an electronic barometer - definitely saw the cabin pressure change during ascent and descent. Sealed water bottles (when they were still allowed) also shows the pressure change very visibly by crumpling and re-inflating.

Ya, your are right! Cabin pressure changes!

Few years ago, out boredom on board, I did a simple experiment with my gps (equipped with barometric 'altitude' sensor'. If I remember correctly, the pressure drop at crusing altitude was equiv to a ht. of around 1000m and more. This is a crude measurement - as i did not calibrate the gps sensor prior to take off. (NOte I USED barometric measurement - not from gps signal,)

Anyway, this change is a well known fact - if google air travel sickness, some info should be there!

(sometimes it is misleading to quote some 'expert' out of context and with incomplete understanding and/nor no personal experience/knowledge)

 

[estel]

BTW, pressurisation inside the plane to ONLY to allow passengers on board to feel the same pressure on air as it is on earth. The reason why some get blocked ears is due to change of altitude, the pressure remains the same.

This isn't really true. If the plane maintained the sea-level air pressure at 30,000ft, it would require a much stronger fuselage. Situation is worse because the higher pressure is in the concave side. Cabin pressure is typically reduced in high altitudes, and manufactures are constantly trying to finds ways to make bodies that can withstand higher pressure differences without making the aircraft heavier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_pressure#Effects_of_cabin_pressurization_on_the_human_body

 

[Snoweagle]

This isn't really true. If the plane maintained the sea-level air pressure at 30,000ft, it would require a much stronger fuselage. Situation is worse because the higher pressure is in the concave side. Cabin pressure is typically reduced in high altitudes, and manufactures are constantly trying to finds ways to make bodies that can withstand higher pressure differences without making the aircraft heavier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_pressure#Effects_of_cabin_pressurization_on_the_human_body

I think u also got mixed up. What i meant the pressure remains the same is the effect on us. Yes when u take pressure inside the cabin, it changes is to adapt to the pressure we feel but if u take numbers into consideration, it varies. But the main thing is that the pressure we feel are practically similar due to adaptation from the different altitudes.

 

[zoossh]

ok, so in the end, how true and how correct is the instruction that we have to switch off the cameras (rather than be careful of the handling of the camera) during take off and landing?

 

[Snoweagle]

ok, so in the end, how true and how correct is the instruction that we have to switch off the cameras (rather than be careful of the handling of the camera) during take off and landing?

Just follow the rules on board and u'll be safe. The rest don't have to bother.

 

[Parchiao]

ok, so in the end, how true and how correct is the instruction that we have to switch off the cameras (rather than be careful of the handling of the camera) during take off and landing?

It is correct, switch off all electrical devices during take-off and landing, and you can use your camera anytime on the plane before, in between and after just like how you would in public.