Buyers beware irresponsible seller

[Joshuafong]

I will like to share with all my bad experience with an irresponsible seller nicknamed "Kadir" or "Abdujl Kadir" recently. The item is a Tokina 80-200 AF ATX 80-200 lens (nikon mount).

I bought the lens after i had inspected the lens, but i did not tried the lens on my Nikon D100 body as our meeting was arranged last minute. After i found out the lens could not function properly on my digital camera body, I called him to ask whether it worked on his Nikon film body (F90) and his reply was "yes". I have emailed and called him again to re-arrange another meeting to verify that the lens was indeed functioning well on his camera bodies.

However, after numerous calls and emails, he did not reply the emails (kad2000@mbox2.singnet.com.sg) nor answer his pager (92004848) or handphone (97518905). I was very upset that the seller seems to have a "guilty" conscience to prove that the lens he sold was in a mint and functional condition.

Thus, i strongly urge buyers to be beware of such irresponsible sellers and test the lens on your camera body. If not, do not buy. In addition, try to seek professional advice when u inspect the item so that you will not suffer a similar fate as me.

regards
Joshua Fong

(PS : the abovementioned seller is selling his Nikon FM2 and CARL ZEISS 120MM 2.8 nikon mount in the forum @ http://www.offstone.com and I urge potential buyers to inspect the goods thoroughly)

 

[ivor]

I am sorrie to hear that... I believe you have shared with us a very good experience...

 

[DAMIENO]

maybe he's out of the country temporarily and have no access to the net? have you tried calling from a public phone or number not previously used by yourself?
how long has it been since the deal?

my advice is to bring it down to camera workshop or any other shop that has nikon bodies and try it on.

third-party lenses usually have compatibility problems. but fcan also be re-chipped to work on the latest bodies

very dangerous to make a sweeping statement like that about an individual on a public forum. may get the site in trouble.
just my 2 cents
damien

 

[Bedpan]

Agree... Sweeping statements like this are dangerous... You best be sure that he has some ill will to take your money and give you a shoddy product.

You may also want to share a bit more info about the problem... It is a photo forum after all.. A great place to get some help!

Have a look at this. It maybe of some interest..

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=4253901

 

[Knighthunter]

Originally posted by Bedpan
Agree... Sweeping statements like this are dangerous... You best be sure that he has some ill will to take your money and give you a shoddy product.

You may also want to share a bit more info about the problem... It is a photo forum after all.. A great place to get some help!

Have a look at this. It maybe of some interest..

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=4253901

He bought Tokina Lens not Sigma, historically no compability problem with Tokina on Nikon bodies either 35mm or digital.

 

[Edmund]

No item mentioned for sale or wanted, hence thread moved to Consumers Corner.

 

[ckiang]

Originally posted by Knighthunter


He bought Tokina Lens not Sigma, historically no compability problem with Tokina on Nikon bodies either 35mm or digital.

Dunno about the other Tokinas, but my 28-70/2.6-2.8 ATX Pro II worked without a problem on a D100 in the shop. Yeah, I have not heard of Tokina problems so far, only Sigma problems. ;p

On the other hand a 50-500 worked fine on that D100 as well...

Regards
CK

 

[Ian]

Sorry to pour cold water on Joshuafong's post but really he only has himself to blame as by his own admission he didn't test the lens.

The real lesson to be learned is to TEST thoroughly any lens regardless of manufacturer and regardless of it being new or used.

 

[Joshuafong]

Dear all,

I agreed that I was not being prudent enough to test the lens with my D100 camera body in order to elimate the incompatibilty issues and I accept this responsibility. And, if the lens functions on older Nikon film bodies (such as F90 or etc), I am willing to apologise to Kadir for the inconvenience caused and honour my purchase.

I am going to test this lens with my friends' Nikon film bodies or bring to a camera shop for their assessment before i decide my next move. In fact, as I have mentioned earlier, I am only requesting the seller to prove to me that the lens indeed works on his film bodies (and not on my D100).

I bought the lens on 23 Jan (Thurs) evening and immediately called him to rearrange a meeting when this incident occurred. However, the seller mentioned that he had to work overtime on Fri and attend wedding dinners on Sat and Sun and thus, we agreed to contact each other on Mon (27 Jan) to discuss further. But, my numerous effort to contact him todate was in vain. (In fact, the seller has accessed to internet as he replied to the queries of some potential buyers during Tue or Wed)

I am willing to listen to Mr Kadir's explanation in order not to precipitate further accusations and my main objective of posting this thread is to caution potential buyers when they deal with him.

regards
joshua

 

[nathan]

hey, i understand from offstone forum. joshua paid $230 only for the lens and expect it to work on his D100 .the original deal was $300, so can we say joshua have cheated kadir into parting his lens for $230? he have taken 30 min to inspect the lens and yet claim to be cheated. kadir is thinking of getting legal suite against him. Joshua is worried and have duck in. will joshua swallow his word? to all pls get more about joshua and try to avoid this guy if you are selling you staff.

 

[SMC]

To clear some air.. this is Kadir's reply..... extracted from offstone

I do not want make it fuss.
I alrady explained to Lance through email.

If you guys want my explaination, please read below.

Thanks for the explanation Kad,

do u wish to reply his thread publicly?

rgds,

Lance

> Hi Lance,
>
> I am very busy at the moment. Too many committment including shooting
> assignment.
>
> Yes. I did sell my lens
> ATX TOKINA 80 - 200 Auto Focus Lens F2.8 Nikon Mount through offstone.
> Before I sell this lens I fixed it in my camera F90X. Everything OK.
> The focusing system also OK. The lens is in very very good condition.
> I brought my F90X when I met him. I "sayang' to sell this lens because
> this is my first lens with the range 80 -200.
>
> I met him at Peninsula Plaza. He already checked the lens. He took about
> 30 minutes (approximately) to check the lens. He knew that the lens is nikon mount lens.
> The lens is in good conditions except a small dot inside the mirror. I
> did not realise it untill he pointed it to me because all along I keep
> all my lenses inside the dry box. . I reduced the price. I suppose to
> sell the lens around $300/-, But he bargained and I offered him $230.
> He satisfied with the lens and price. He accepted the offer and pay
> $230/-
>
> I sold this lens because I have Nikon AFS F2.8 80 -200 and no use for me
> to keep this lens inside my dry box. He should know what type of lens he
> should buy to suit his camera. If the lens is not suit to his camera,
> he cannot blame anybody. If myself buy any camera assessories/lens
> through Offstones or others and later find it not suit to my camera, I
> will blame myself and I will never blame other person (seller).
He so anxious to buy the lens. Actually when he bargained the lens, I do not want to sell to him because other buyer waiting for me. As he so anxious to buy, I pity him and he bought the lens below my price.

I ever used this lens with my F100, F5 and F90X. No problem. It works well.
>
> .
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lance" <lance@offstone.com>
> To: <kad2000@singnet.com.sg>
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:58 AM
> Subject: Joshua
>
>
>> This is a message from lance at Offstone Forum - Photography & Visual
> Critique ( http://www.offstone.com/photo/index.php ). The Offstone Forum
> - Photography & Visual Critique owners cannot accept any responsibility
> for the contents of the email.To email lance, you can use this online
> form:http://www.offstone.com/photo/membe...orm&userid=1OR,
> by email:mailto:lance@offstone.comThis is the message:Hi Kadir,
>>
>> Joshua opened questioned your credibility in offstone forum. i
>> recommended
> to him to take his issue with you offline.
>>
>> do u have anything to discuss with me?
>>
>> rgds,
>>
>> Lance

James... we would like to hear from you now....

 

[SMC]

Oops.. not James.... but joshua la....

rushing to cow car water la....

 

[nathan]

??

 

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by nathan
hey, i understand from offstone forum. joshua paid $230 only for the lens and expect it to work on his D100 .the original deal was $300, so can we say joshua have cheated kadir into parting his lens for $230? he have taken 30 min to inspect the lens and yet claim to be cheated. kadir is thinking of getting legal suite against him. Joshua is worried and have duck in. will joshua swallow his word? to all pls get more about joshua and try to avoid this guy if you are selling you staff.

Hi Nathan;

Would appreciate it if you would allow both party to settle the issue amicably and not make further speculation until the whole issue is resolved between these 2 parties.

Unless you are acting as an official spokes person for either party, else, please refrain from making statements like

so can we say joshua have cheated kadir into parting his lens for $230? he have taken 30 min to inspect the lens and yet claim to be cheated. kadir is thinking of getting legal suite against him. Joshua is worried and have duck in. will joshua swallow his word?

It's not a soap opera.

Thank you.

 

[Joshuafong]

I have read all your comments and Mr Kadir's explanation. However, I am busy with the CNY visitings and do not have sufficient time to deal with this issue yet.

Nevertheless, I will give everyone an answer after CNY.

regards and happy lunar new year
Joshua

 

[nathan]

I am busy now thinking how to counter all this. will get back after CNY.

 

[jeffgoh]

Originally posted by nathan
I am busy now thinking how to counter all this. will get back after CNY.

Err... wat r u trying to say here?? :dunno:

Come on i dun think u need to pass such comments like this.

 

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by nathan
I am busy now thinking how to counter all this. will get back after CNY.

As previously mentioned,

This isn't a game where you need to counter anything at all. As far as i know, this strictly involves 2 parties. Speculation on your part isn't going to help resolve this issue.

Kindly allow both parties involved to settle their issue amicably without any addition interference.

Thank you.

 

[YSLee]

Originally posted by nathan
I am busy now thinking how to counter all this. will get back after CNY.

Hmm.. I have a question here...

Are you one of those ambulance chasing lawyers?

 

[PentiumPC]

I don't think he will understand that.

Originally posted by YSLee


Hmm.. I have a question here...

Are you one of those ambulance chasing lawyers?