I'm posting this so that you all will not have the same experience as me. Photographers like this are simply irresponsible and moments that are not cannot be re-created again.
Beware of this photographer
- Thread starter Lin Minghui
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I'm posting this so that you all will not have the same experience as me. Photographers like this are simply irresponsible and moments that are not cannot be re-created again.
Whoa that is just irresponsible of the guy.
Already got good lobang for a shoot and he treats it like its nothing.
I think he's on fb or something cos I see this name around a lot.
Already got good lobang for a shoot and he treats it like its nothing.
I think he's on fb or something cos I see this name around a lot.
I guess that's why professional photographers still exist. They do it for a living and get paid real money by turning up.
Anyway the photographer is right! There isn't any confirmation from the client side on appointing him as the photographer.
I view it differently, Photographer should also have own interest to contact client if his service is still require.
Hi, possible to do a screenshot of the contact no under the whatapps user of this thread?
Too many unknowns here. There is no mention of contract signed nor deposit paid. Also no mention of confirmation of assignment in the screenshots.
We shouldn't jump to conclusions...
We shouldn't jump to conclusions...
there is no confirmation of assignment and no following up from both parties,
I don't think it is fair to make any conclusion on this matter base on the whatsapp screen shot.
anyway, this does not belong here.
thread moved.
I don't think it is fair to make any conclusion on this matter base on the whatsapp screen shot.
anyway, this does not belong here.
thread moved.
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To the threadstarter/Phoebe, first of all we are sorry to hear about your situation. It must had been a shocker when this thing happened, all the 30 performers must had expected a nice photo of them taken when they are in action, but all of them must had been very disappointed, maybe even sad or angry. You probably had a hard time to answer to your boss, your peers, and your guests and performers.
I took a look at the attached SMS and felt that a hiring contract had taken place. When he made an offer to you, you accepted, its sealed and documented in the SMS thread. You made changes to the timing, he agreed, again reaffirming his taking of the job. You proceeded to brief him on the requirement, he acknowledged, further affirming it. There is no further changes brought up so it should remain status quote. But he did not turn up, rather casually, and he caused unrest and unhappiness to the event. Doesn't seems like he gives a hoot about it. He is legally liable if you like to pursue any lost, but dont take my word for it, coz the compensation is unknown and subject to many factors. May not be worth pursuing in court. Consult your legal people.
I also feel that you had extended a nice gesture to provide photo credits and had been straightforward in accepting his charges without trying to cut his rates or reduce his income. The common (and insultingly sad!) market rate for amatuers here is "free" or "you can eat the buffet" or "$25 for 2 hours". So, all the more I feel bad for you when you and your organization were victimized by unprofessionalism when on your part you were pretty steady and the information were clear IMHO.
Unfortunately, you were hiring at the wrong place. Clubsnap is a hobby forum filled with all sorts of people. Anyone and everyone is claiming the title of photographer. Some amatuers are great part timers, yes thats a fact, but also an extreme high number of amatuers are unknown persons of varying behavior and skill levels. I am sorry to tell you that a events photography pro's rates is actually not too far off this hobby person's rate. $180 per hour is common, so you are only paying $50 more per hour for peace of mind, better experience and better photos.
When you went with a amatuer hobby person, he may be treating it as a hobby and does not take it seriously. Why would you want to do that for an important event involving many important people to answer to? I cannot understand the reason why you did went with a professional photographer. He is definitely in the wrong but you are also partly responsible too for poor decision made during the hiring process. Sad to say, but true.
I took a look at the attached SMS and felt that a hiring contract had taken place. When he made an offer to you, you accepted, its sealed and documented in the SMS thread. You made changes to the timing, he agreed, again reaffirming his taking of the job. You proceeded to brief him on the requirement, he acknowledged, further affirming it. There is no further changes brought up so it should remain status quote. But he did not turn up, rather casually, and he caused unrest and unhappiness to the event. Doesn't seems like he gives a hoot about it. He is legally liable if you like to pursue any lost, but dont take my word for it, coz the compensation is unknown and subject to many factors. May not be worth pursuing in court. Consult your legal people.
I also feel that you had extended a nice gesture to provide photo credits and had been straightforward in accepting his charges without trying to cut his rates or reduce his income. The common (and insultingly sad!) market rate for amatuers here is "free" or "you can eat the buffet" or "$25 for 2 hours". So, all the more I feel bad for you when you and your organization were victimized by unprofessionalism when on your part you were pretty steady and the information were clear IMHO.
Unfortunately, you were hiring at the wrong place. Clubsnap is a hobby forum filled with all sorts of people. Anyone and everyone is claiming the title of photographer. Some amatuers are great part timers, yes thats a fact, but also an extreme high number of amatuers are unknown persons of varying behavior and skill levels. I am sorry to tell you that a events photography pro's rates is actually not too far off this hobby person's rate. $180 per hour is common, so you are only paying $50 more per hour for peace of mind, better experience and better photos.
When you went with a amatuer hobby person, he may be treating it as a hobby and does not take it seriously. Why would you want to do that for an important event involving many important people to answer to? I cannot understand the reason why you did went with a professional photographer. He is definitely in the wrong but you are also partly responsible too for poor decision made during the hiring process. Sad to say, but true.
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I think both parties are responsible to communicate a day or two before the event just to make sure and confirm the attendance and event details. Either way, one of the party have to establish the communication first. If the photographer is still MIA, then we can held him responsible (regardless of freelancer or pro). My 0.02.
according to the site, he's a Freelance Commercial Photographer:
Photography to me is like capturing an endless flow of emotion and thoughts in a single frame. My major strength is in story telling with forms and visuals because of my film background. Hence, my style is a unique blend of photography and cinematography.
I am currently freelancing in various kinds of photography, mainly Weddings and others like events, portraits, architecture, corporate and commercial. Feel free to contact me for more package details.
Awards :
1st Prize Memories of Victoria Theatre & Victoria Concert Hall Photo Competition 2010
2nd Prize Spot and Shoot Photo Competition National Library 2009
Merit NUSPS Montage 2010
Merit 24 Seven Heartland Beats HDB Photo Competition 2009
Nikon Big Shot 2 on Channel 5 2011
Please contact me for the details regarding wedding packages.
Alex Liang
Email: xxxxxxx@gmail.com
HP: (+65) xxxxxxxx
Photography to me is like capturing an endless flow of emotion and thoughts in a single frame. My major strength is in story telling with forms and visuals because of my film background. Hence, my style is a unique blend of photography and cinematography.
I am currently freelancing in various kinds of photography, mainly Weddings and others like events, portraits, architecture, corporate and commercial. Feel free to contact me for more package details.
Awards :
1st Prize Memories of Victoria Theatre & Victoria Concert Hall Photo Competition 2010
2nd Prize Spot and Shoot Photo Competition National Library 2009
Merit NUSPS Montage 2010
Merit 24 Seven Heartland Beats HDB Photo Competition 2009
Nikon Big Shot 2 on Channel 5 2011
Please contact me for the details regarding wedding packages.
Alex Liang
Email: xxxxxxx@gmail.com
HP: (+65) xxxxxxxx
