Beginners Outing(Part 19)-Double Helix Bridge and MBS on the 31 July(Photos thread)

[Ghaz1]

Hi iszan, DD & Zerocool,
Since there is a lot of discussion in this thread on technical issues such as levelling and perspective on buildings, I would like to borrow a bit of space here (although the subject is not regarding this thread) to ask you what are your opinions on the AP picture in The Straits Times today (Aug 6, 2010) page A27? The picture shows a group of people photographing a scene with the Taipei 101 building distinctly leaning about 6 degrees in the background.
Thanks.
LEW

Newspapers have a different approach to photography compared to magazines. They have a tight schedule, often the newspaper has to hit the press within hours of the picture being taken as such, they rely on top of the line gear to get them the quality they need without too much post-processing. Also, their style is more documentary rather than artistic where the most important thing about the picture is that it supports the text rather than steal the limelight away from the written word.

 

[daredevil123]

i don't have the Straits Times at office too, and the web version doesn't have the article.

I could guess that, since Taipei 101 is a super tall building, it would be pretty hard to get it all in whilst maintaining proper perspective.
If it's a journalist's photo of people photographing the building, then the most important point is to fit the building and the people in the frame, heck about the perspective

Actually, some of my Taiwanese flickr friends, took perfect pictures of Taipei 101. Not that hard to do.

 

[daredevil123]

Newspapers have a different approach to photography compared to magazines. They have a tight schedule, often the newspaper has to hit the press within hours of the picture being taken as such, they rely on top of the line gear to get them the quality they need without too much post-processing. Also, their style is more documentary rather than artistic where the most important thing about the picture is that it supports the text rather than steal the limelight away from the written word.

Don't forget photographs for news articles are not supposed to be edited with photoshop or any DI PP software.

 

[Ghaz1]

Don't forget photographs for news articles are not supposed to be edited with photoshop or any DI PP software.

Yup, ethics of photojournalism. But i think simple things like levels and curves still ok? :think:

 

[daredevil123]

Yup, ethics of photojournalism. But i think simple things like levels and curves still ok? :think:

Don't think they do it at the PP level. Because once the image shows a PP software in their EXIF, the entire picture is suspect already.

 

[SHLEW]

Hi all,
Here's the picture I'm referring. Pencil lines on 101 were drawn by me.
Tks.
LEW

 

[daredevil123]

Hi all,
Here's the picture I'm referring. Pencil lines on 101 were drawn by me.
Tks.
LEW

Ok. that is a journalism. Not landscape photography.

And don't you find the tilt look so glaring and uncomfortable?

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

Actually, some of my Taiwanese flickr friends, took perfect pictures of Taipei 101. Not that hard to do.

oh :embrass:

I see from the ST article that it was photographed from quite far away. Possible to correct in PP, though as you said, journalistic style doesn't allow it.
I saw some photos of the Burj tower in Dubai, and because of the proximity of a lot of other tall buildings, it looked pretty hard to get far enough to allow a decently-level perspective for correction in PP afterwards. Assumed Taipei 101 was in similar situation.

 

[SHLEW]

Ok. that is a journalism. Not landscape photography.

And don't you find the tilt look so glaring and uncomfortable?

OK, because the tilt was quite glaring that's why it caught my eyes.
Now the question is what caused the tilt. Notice that even the low height office block at lower left is also tilting. The office block at lower right has a very small tilt. But the people looks OK in upright position! This is definitely not a fish-eye shot. Could it be a WA shot? How should we take a photo of a scene like this without the above flaws and without PP?
Thanks.
LEW

 

[iszan]

OK, because the tilt was quite glaring that's why it caught my eyes.
Now the question is what caused the tilt. Notice that even the low height office block at lower left is also tilting. The office block at lower right has a very small tilt. But the people looks OK in upright position! This is definitely not a fish-eye shot. Could it be a WA shot? How should we take a photo of a scene like this without the above flaws and without PP?
Thanks.
LEW

Well, there's 2 possible situations where this may happen... 1st the use of UWA, where it suffered distortion at the widest angle... and 2nd could be the 'keystone' effect where the building looks tilted (leaning backward) even through your horizon is levelled..

If you want to take a scene like this.. understand the limitation and distortion control of your lens.. then use it where you can control it which is meaning where the distortion is at its minimum..

 

[daredevil123]

OK, because the tilt was quite glaring that's why it caught my eyes.
Now the question is what caused the tilt. Notice that even the low height office block at lower left is also tilting. The office block at lower right has a very small tilt. But the people looks OK in upright position! This is definitely not a fish-eye shot. Could it be a WA shot? How should we take a photo of a scene like this without the above flaws and without PP?
Thanks.
LEW

When you level a camera totally, left to right, up to down. Everything in the picture will look upright. when you tilt the view upwards, the buildings (verticals) will lean towards the center. And if you tilt the view downwards, the buildings (verticals) will lean away from the center. The smaller your focal length (wider), the more pronounced this effect will be. This is called keystone effect.

The people in the picure don't look ok. The 2 xiao mei meis at the left side of the frame look as if they are leaning forward...

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_effect
Correcting keystone: http://www.alibony.com/pse/20090114keystone.htm

 

[wildcat]

Hi iszan, DD & Zerocool,
Since there is a lot of discussion in this thread on technical issues such as levelling and perspective on buildings, I would like to borrow a bit of space here (although the subject is not regarding this thread) to ask you what are your opinions on the AP picture in The Straits Times today (Aug 6, 2010) page A27? The picture shows a group of people photographing a scene with the Taipei 101 building distinctly leaning about 6 degrees in the background.
Thanks.
LEW

On the other hand, if you turn to page A7, A9... full page advert, and though it's not a photo, you can certain pencil in the straight lines

 

[SHLEW]

Thanks everyone especially DD who contributed to this rather basic but important technical discussion. Its good lesson learnt and I will be very careful about levels so as not to unintentionally produce a leaning Pisa.
Cheers.
LEW

 

[deveraux]

Thanks bro.So when are you planning to shoot landscapes again?That day saw you went to the Bukit Timah KTM railway stn to shoot?

Yea cleon...we were shooting there...how u know?

 

[niaoniao36]

Sorry, I am late. My homework
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[cleonbus]

Yea cleon...we were shooting there...how u know?

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