Bad Payment Experience
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Hi boss.... i was the one who covered your event. WAH!!! its really such a long time since that event and i am really surprised of this kinda behaviour by a event company. I also feel quite bad that you had actually used your own money to pay me. I hope that other CS members are being warned of this company.
Blade777, you are lucky to have such a good boss who will pay you accordingly.
Sundazz, I salute u! :thumbsup:
Coz there are other people whom I've also encountered, will never pay you until they're paid....this kinda act makes me wonder how they do business....:think:
Sundazz, I salute u! :thumbsup:
Coz there are other people whom I've also encountered, will never pay you until they're paid....this kinda act makes me wonder how they do business....:think:
Hi Dixon
For me it's all depends on the agreement between the 2 parties.
If there is a need for a video job apart from photography(which I am doing) I would ask my video contacts if they want the job and at what price and payment. If payment upon completion of the job is required then I will undertake the risk of late payment etc from the clients and would therefore load in a high margin for myself. However, if the video guy is willing to share the risk of late payment etc,then he gets a higher income and I do not load in anything from what he quoted.
Hi Peng Eik,
Thanks for sharing your style of collaboration. :thumbsup:
But yes, I must agree with you that the terms must be stated clearly, otherwise there will be quite lot of unhappiness & misunderstandings.
Normally, if I'm just brought in as a 'work-for-hire' to film or edit a project, i would expect to be paid as a no-risker.....use my service, then pay for it.....
But if a company brings me in as a project partner for producing the video, then yes, we share the risks.
Sad to say, many young businesses don't understand this concept & are only out to rip people off. Totally no business ethics, and they expect no risks on their part.....:thumbsd:
Sometimes I start to ask myself why am I still offering my services to other vendors when I should be going all out to tender the darn projects on my own.
Thanks for sharing your style of collaboration. :thumbsup:
But yes, I must agree with you that the terms must be stated clearly, otherwise there will be quite lot of unhappiness & misunderstandings.
Normally, if I'm just brought in as a 'work-for-hire' to film or edit a project, i would expect to be paid as a no-risker.....use my service, then pay for it.....
But if a company brings me in as a project partner for producing the video, then yes, we share the risks.
Sad to say, many young businesses don't understand this concept & are only out to rip people off. Totally no business ethics, and they expect no risks on their part.....:thumbsd:
Sometimes I start to ask myself why am I still offering my services to other vendors when I should be going all out to tender the darn projects on my own.
hi,
infact i ask for COD but on the deliver date, i recieved cheque as he claimed tat their company policy which accounting need.:thumbsd:
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Then next time you give them a CD which requires a password to open. Password will be sent on the date the cheque clears.
well.. blade has helped me in the shoot, I think i shd not drag him in to this incident as he has done his job and he deserved to be pay accordingly. not worth to be blacklisted just becos of few hundred $$.
we all deserved to be pay accordingly to the services we rendered.. guess if i am in blade position, i dont hope to be affected as well.
Dun wori bro, we are all the way with you....like you always said....we need each other in this market...:thumbsup:
guess wat?!! till now he oni paid me half the payment!! i sms him and he claimed he was in reservist till the previous friday (27 July). but till now, 1 week aft his reservist aredy still never pay me the balance! i will give him another few days to pay up.. if not he will see his name and his company's name here!!:thumbsd:
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I think you should let him know of your previous post, that will give him seriously good incentive to pay you before his name is exposed. 
In case you are unaware, government agencies encourage staff not to pay out of their own pockets but to invoice them. Your "strict policy" will eliminate you from a lot of government jobs...
Not that you need that kind of money, ya?? Government pays lowest quote if possible/...:bsmilie::bsmilie::bsmilie:
Sometimes I start to ask myself why am I still offering my services to other vendors when I should be going all out to tender the darn projects on my own.
Welcome to the world of Gebiz...
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Not all. The Ministry of Education does not get invoices - they ask their staff to pay first and reimburse back.
I think it varies from agency to agency and to see who's bargaining position is better.
I think it varies from agency to agency and to see who's bargaining position is better.
Yes name them. My company engages a lot of events companies for different things. Want to make sure I never deal with this company.
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A few days have passed, I guess we all shd be waiting eagerly for his and his company's names?
Would like to share my thoughts from an events company's point of view. For a start, I work for an events company. There are bound to be black sheeps in every industry, not just event companies. Non-payment matters are an everyday affair in the mediation centre in subordinate courts. However, because event agencies or companies uses the services of photographers and videographers often, that accounts for the more frequent comments about non-paying event companies.
I am sad to hear that some bros here have unpleasant experiences, these can actually be avoided / settled quite easily. Here's my suggestion: Draft an agreement / contract of service rendered. Agree on the terms of payment: COD / Credit. With this, any non-payment can be brought up to the small claims tribunal for a small admin fee. The contract helps when filing such claims, and the owner of the company is binded by the law to appear for the hearing.
Sometimes, when we deal with new photographers / videographers, we ask for a credit term of about 7-14 days. Reason is simple: non-delivery. There are instances of photographers / videographers showing you excellent portforlio / showreel, but their deliverables after the project is far from what was shown previously. This is a known fact, people go around showing what that doesn't belong to them, ie. not their works. If that happens, we will ask the person for an explanation, and if the works can be rectified, we proceed with the payment after the works if corrected to satisfaction. If cannot be rectified, we have to either deduct the payment or even no payment, because we need to answer to the client. There were cases of photos taken with G-O-H missing from the entire lot of photos, and videos that doesn't capture the G-O-H, or a tape that is not recording AT ALL.
So, with a contract, it protects both ways. For me, I will always issue a vendor's agreement stating the terms and conditions. This document can be used by both parties in the case of a legal dispute. This, from my opinion will help.
I am sad to hear that some bros here have unpleasant experiences, these can actually be avoided / settled quite easily. Here's my suggestion: Draft an agreement / contract of service rendered. Agree on the terms of payment: COD / Credit. With this, any non-payment can be brought up to the small claims tribunal for a small admin fee. The contract helps when filing such claims, and the owner of the company is binded by the law to appear for the hearing.
Sometimes, when we deal with new photographers / videographers, we ask for a credit term of about 7-14 days. Reason is simple: non-delivery. There are instances of photographers / videographers showing you excellent portforlio / showreel, but their deliverables after the project is far from what was shown previously. This is a known fact, people go around showing what that doesn't belong to them, ie. not their works. If that happens, we will ask the person for an explanation, and if the works can be rectified, we proceed with the payment after the works if corrected to satisfaction. If cannot be rectified, we have to either deduct the payment or even no payment, because we need to answer to the client. There were cases of photos taken with G-O-H missing from the entire lot of photos, and videos that doesn't capture the G-O-H, or a tape that is not recording AT ALL.
So, with a contract, it protects both ways. For me, I will always issue a vendor's agreement stating the terms and conditions. This document can be used by both parties in the case of a legal dispute. This, from my opinion will help.
thks for your advises..
The job was delievered in perfect condition, and my quotation & invoice stated clearing COD.
tho i do not have any agreement drafted but I have corresponding email with this event company. i believe it is more then engh to file against him to Small cliam.. obviously this guy was avoiding payment as i have been calling and sms him. he even has issued bounced cheque twice and claiming forgot to bank in $$.. no time and with all crab excuses.. after abt 3 months of ding dong, he paid half the payment.. till date, he still own me the balance..
And thx for bringing this issue out again as i have almost forgotten abt it..
and for those who curious to know the campany n this particular guy.. :angry:
@ustine from Ex!m!us Event company!:thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd:
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