Dear Mr/Ms Wisp,
Thank you for stating clear that you do not have the patience to be polite. May I politely invite you to other forums where you might express your personal views.
Thank you and have a very peaceful day.
Regards,
Chii Fei
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Thank you for stating clear that you do not have the patience to be polite. May I politely invite you to other forums where you might express your personal views.
Thank you and have a very peaceful day.
Regards,
Chii Fei
I believe I was one of the "polite" ones who made some comments earlier.
But after a while, the TS self-indulgence became, to me, an unintelligible rambling. I decided to leave him to his egocentric soul-searching.
Wisp may use strong words, but I do think he has some valid points.
And frankly, I do not think your "polite invitation" to Wisp to keep away from this thread is appropriate. That "polite invitation" is indeed very impolite, both to Wisp, as well as to other forums. You are just as guilty as Wisp in being impolite.
Hi Student,
Thank you for clarifying the matter. If I have offended someone due to my postings, I apologise for that.
I've observed in forums, individuals tend to use strong words on other fellow netizens, which sometimes caused misunderstandings and unhappiness. As a result, other individuals who have been enjoying discussing in the channel got disturbed and avoid participating in the forums again.
Personally, I feel that be it talking or postings opinions, one needs to be sensitive to other individuals feeling. If the words do not promote a positive feeling to other individuals, then it should be avoided.
The threadstarter started this thread to express his opinion. If individuals do not feel positive towards what he/she has written, just skip the thread and move on to another forum/thread that interest them. There is no need to ridicule or comment for the sake of posting remarks that generate negative feelings.
My intention might generate negative feelings to some people, I apologise if the individuals feel offended. I do my best to be considerate and polite in what I write, so as not to generate unnecessary unhappiness to the readers.
We can sit down and have a cup of coffee and discuss how I can improve my tone and writting. For the time being, I feel we should not discuss non-related matters to this thread.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Regards,
Chii Fei
I do not think that you had offended Wisp at all.
I was just pointing out that asking another person to leave a thread, and bringing that person's alleged impolite mannerisms to other people's threads, is in itself, an impolite act. No matter how politely it was delivered.
chiif said:
I am in agreement with you here. I do not subscribe to the view that the contents are all that matter. To me, careful consideration of delivery is also very important, sometimes even more important the substance!
Nope, I'm not offended at all. I am actually a very nice guy, but I am very direct. What you see me in the net is exactly me in real life. Student among those could vouch for that.
Like I said, I'd take what I dish out. I will unreservedly apologize if beyond any doubt I'm proven wrong. I take this forum is an open forum, and while I may have come close, I don't think I have directly slandered the TS.
Chiif, I understand where you're coming from, but the fact remains I have tried to be nice before and it doesn't work *shrug*. Of course why should I bother? That is not the point!The fact is I do, and I put my reputation (which isn't much) and my ego (which isn't much either, believe it or not) on the line. Since you're so nice to me and I've already made my points clear, I shall not engage you in a verbal exchange and give you a healthy dose of respect.
What really ticks me off is 2 things:
1) People making nonsensical remarks on somebody else's thread , especially if somebody is trying to seek more serious aspects of photography (such as proper critique)
2) People who let their self indulgence and ego get in the way and start to philosophize and display they think they know it all.
Sorry, those are flaws of mine, and I do not mince words. I may sound conceited, arrogant and such, but that depends how you take them. I do mean well in the end. Cheers.
Like I said, I'd take what I dish out. I will unreservedly apologize if beyond any doubt I'm proven wrong. I take this forum is an open forum, and while I may have come close, I don't think I have directly slandered the TS.
Chiif, I understand where you're coming from, but the fact remains I have tried to be nice before and it doesn't work *shrug*. Of course why should I bother? That is not the point!The fact is I do, and I put my reputation (which isn't much) and my ego (which isn't much either, believe it or not) on the line. Since you're so nice to me and I've already made my points clear, I shall not engage you in a verbal exchange and give you a healthy dose of respect.
What really ticks me off is 2 things:
1) People making nonsensical remarks on somebody else's thread , especially if somebody is trying to seek more serious aspects of photography (such as proper critique)
2) People who let their self indulgence and ego get in the way and start to philosophize and display they think they know it all.
Sorry, those are flaws of mine, and I do not mince words. I may sound conceited, arrogant and such, but that depends how you take them. I do mean well in the end. Cheers.
By the way, before anybody starts labelling me jealous , I am almost a pure rangefinder user as the only photography I do is exclusively documentry/street work for 3 years (5 years of photography if you include the exploration and doodling bit). I'm currently University Of Sydney Photographic Society darkroom manager though I have to give that up this year since I'm coming back (Decided that sydney has too little of a population density for gary winogrand's new york swing...or maybe it's just me).
I like to see others work, always alot more than I see mine. Frankly I see mine as boring since I already know what makes it work, but I love trying to introspect and guess others work. I have a habit of collecting my friends and acquaintances work too..cheers!
I like to see others work, always alot more than I see mine. Frankly I see mine as boring since I already know what makes it work, but I love trying to introspect and guess others work. I have a habit of collecting my friends and acquaintances work too..cheers!
fastshot
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For a while I was also concerned where all this philosophical Zen verbiages were leading to. To me it sounded like preaching the need to have found inner peace with philosophy, religion and humanities as a prerequisite to attain photography nirvana. Maybe so.
While I take no issue with how anyone embarks on his photography journey, I do not agree with promoting "photography with soul" as the only true art form and therefore strikes fear in mere mortals, chastised for their mediocrity and frivolous photography.
I regard my myself fortunate that I have 30+ years of enjoyment in photography. There is joy in owning and using truly well made equipment, the feel in the hands, the sounds they made and the great pictures I get once in a while. The smells and sweat in the darkroom, the awesome feeling looking into a TLR at a mountain top, stalking wild animals in an African safari through a long telephoto lens, etc. Like many others, digital photography opened up a new dimension for me on the desktop with Photoshop and RAW processors. I feel so stupid and inadequate that I can only use a mere fraction of the capabilities available in the desktop+software, but that long learning curve is interesting and already quite satisfying.
Instead of contemplating on Zen of photography, I toy with the equipment, delve into equipment specs/reviews and bought a lot of stuff over the years since I could not settle on a particular style of photography - SLR, RF, MF, TLR, compacts, DSLR, U/W cams, etc. Probably stupid and extravagant, but each piece is lovely, nice to use and can take nice pics. While I'm floored by the impact of powerful pictures by great photographers like Salgado and Frenchman Yann Arthus-Bertrandam, I'm not apologetic for the many lousy pictures I take for every good one that I got lucky with. Zen, soul, purity and critiques notwithstanding, I want to continue my journey in photography in the manner and at the pace I can.
excuse me?
If Da Vinci has a camera will he still paint his masterpieces?
The truth is: Fotographi is as Surreal as painting,
Do read up on why Cartier Bresson goes back to painting in his late life.
Notice the powerful graze here from the two children as well as angel Gabriel's.
When composing fotograph of human portraiture, placement of the eyes become crucial, since IMO 80% of the attention will go to the eyes.
painting and photography are two different avenues of expression. we paint because we want to paint, we photograph because we want to photograph. what is the point of you asking such a hypothetical question, of which obviously there is no correct answer? unless you dare put the horse's mouth in Leonardo da Vinci?
please explain : "Fotographi is as Surreal as painting". have no f&*king idea what you are talking about - and i seriously doubt you do, too.
enlighten me, please.
alternatve
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And if you are slipping in to play mr morality, you're welcome to join me in the mirror any day. I do have a fascination of the narciscisstic complex.
Others tried the polite path, and unfortunately I do not have the patience neither the tact.
Mr Morality I am not. I just do not take the same stance as you. If I don't agree with someone, I'll talk it out. If it isn't working after the second or third time, I leave. Then again, we are two different people with different points of view. I'm sorry for not seeing yours till so late.
CZJena
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Woh woh ... i just came back from one war zone to another 
Well first thing i do is respect your opinion, and i truely glad to hear lots of comments about my articles here.
A few things i could suggest:
1. Those who want a better understanding of surrealism, there are lots of material from wikipedia. Photograph is as surrealistic as painting (both are art in 2-D media).
2. About ego, well i have not reach nirvana for sure, and fervently wish to learn more about photography as anyone here as well as share my little "inward" discovery in this wonderful art. I believe thats how i derived inner joy by discovering and sharing.
3. Art to me is of no "boundary", it can encompass any human's creativity, even other medium or form like dance, music, caligraphy, sculpture, all could be used integrated or in complimentary. Its up to us to choose whether photography should be so narrow.
4. Great ideas are controversal, as always in history. Let time tells
5. Words, i want to emphasize again are so powerful, not because of its newton force it exert on ears, but they reflect the thought, behaviour and a person's character as well.
Well first thing i do is respect your opinion, and i truely glad to hear lots of comments about my articles here.
A few things i could suggest:
1. Those who want a better understanding of surrealism, there are lots of material from wikipedia. Photograph is as surrealistic as painting (both are art in 2-D media).
2. About ego, well i have not reach nirvana for sure, and fervently wish to learn more about photography as anyone here as well as share my little "inward" discovery in this wonderful art. I believe thats how i derived inner joy by discovering and sharing.
3. Art to me is of no "boundary", it can encompass any human's creativity, even other medium or form like dance, music, caligraphy, sculpture, all could be used integrated or in complimentary. Its up to us to choose whether photography should be so narrow.
4. Great ideas are controversal, as always in history. Let time tells
5. Words, i want to emphasize again are so powerful, not because of its newton force it exert on ears, but they reflect the thought, behaviour and a person's character as well.
your well-meant intention to share is commendable, but i question the contents of what you are (trying to) share.Woh woh ... i just came back from one war zone to another
Well first thing i do is respect your opinion, and i truely glad to hear lots of comments about my articles here.
A few things i could suggest:
1. Those who want a better understanding of surrealism, there are lots of material from wikipedia. Photograph is as surrealistic as painting (both are art in 2-D media).
2. About ego, well i have not reach nirvana for sure, and fervently wish to learn more about photography as anyone here as well as share my little "inward" discovery in this wonderful art. I believe thats how i derived inner joy by discovering and sharing.
3. Art to me is of no "boundary", it can encompass any human's creativity, even other medium or form like dance, music, caligraphy, sculpture, all could be used integrated or in complimentary. Its up to us to choose whether photography should be so narrow.
4. Great ideas are controversal, as always in history. Let time tells
5. Words, i want to emphasize again are so powerful, not because of its newton force it exert on ears, but they reflect the thought, behaviour and a person's character as well.
while its true Surrealism as a movement has found expression in mediums like literature, painting and photography, i still can't figure out exactly what you meant by "Fotographi is as Surreal as painting", "photograph is as surrealistic as painting".
unless you and the rest of the art world has a different definition of the term 'surrealism'?
care to share with us more of your personal views on what you are really trying to say? (instead of re-directing us to an external, sometimes unreliable, source like wikipedia)
CZJena
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Good question! As you might have noticed my past articles earlier, that i undertake to task different explorative paths in fotographic media. Basically i want you to understand the limit of 2-D, as well as how to maximize the potential of 2-D medium. This is on one level, and on another level this 2-D prosessed great enough power to shake our inner being, the "echoing effect" to me is meditative and enriching. I quoted some master here and there, is to guide you to see how you might explore this media to reflect your feeling and thoughts. I do not wish people to follow my style, but take this as a meditative path in your own style for your own being.
CZJena
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If you cannot see the distance between your hand and your mind, may time have mercy on you.
One good way of living i learned from the Thai, is Sanuk, which means Fun! Try to relax and try different pose, just get the fun of life. Serious work can go with Fun too, this is the secret formula for Thai's youthfulness and health.
City people are generally very impatient, they cannot understand how Da Vinci could work on his masterpiece for years. He could suddenly decided to paint and jump up from bed, discontinued a conversation with friends, stopped his meal halfway, after walking around the market place ...etc. When you want to understand his Art, you don't fix your eyes just at the dot in the painting, you have to understand him like a friend, look at his other works and life.
Tolerance is an important key to open up opportunities far and wide. People who faces dead end/lock are people who don't give others chance, and they focused too much on their ownselves.
One good way of living i learned from the Thai, is Sanuk, which means Fun! Try to relax and try different pose, just get the fun of life. Serious work can go with Fun too, this is the secret formula for Thai's youthfulness and health.
City people are generally very impatient, they cannot understand how Da Vinci could work on his masterpiece for years. He could suddenly decided to paint and jump up from bed, discontinued a conversation with friends, stopped his meal halfway, after walking around the market place ...etc. When you want to understand his Art, you don't fix your eyes just at the dot in the painting, you have to understand him like a friend, look at his other works and life.
Tolerance is an important key to open up opportunities far and wide. People who faces dead end/lock are people who don't give others chance, and they focused too much on their ownselves.
Tell me, on what account do you verify that you DO understand a person who has been pretty much dead for a few hundred years?
CZJena
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Before i set off to start my work and before i click, i learned to consider whether i will do the same action one week from now, one year from now, one hundred years from now. That can really makes alot of difference, because its no longer just about clicking, its about who you really are! Don't be amazed that this practise can be so subconscious that happened within that split second. Never under estimates your metaphysics
However if i can make you feel exactly how you want to feel, then i am you
take your own course.
Don't be surprised that the painter and his painting made thousands years ago TALKs to me alone!
There are perhaps trillions of beings saw the same painting yet they dissolved into ages without getting it.
To create and to feel, Thats the power of true Art!
Thats come to the sole reason for meditation even in creative endeavour such as taking fotos.
However if i can make you feel exactly how you want to feel, then i am you
take your own course.Don't be surprised that the painter and his painting made thousands years ago TALKs to me alone!
There are perhaps trillions of beings saw the same painting yet they dissolved into ages without getting it.
To create and to feel, Thats the power of true Art!
Thats come to the sole reason for meditation even in creative endeavour such as taking fotos.
And further more, how are we suppose to take your version of the 'limits' and 'potential' of 2-D as the absolute truth?
And plus your vision seems to be clouded in the forever never ending schemes of equipment philosophy (Ranger Finder) and the film/digital debate with no points to make except perhaps making yourself sound profound.
And as for surrealism and Da Vinci are in NO WAY related. Surrealism is one of the many by product of 'rejection' of the conventional artistic prespectives of the rennaisance, which Da Vinci happens to be one of the pioneers. He was noted because of his ability to create in realistic detail the human form,skin tones and reflections (to name a few) during a time when there is an upheaval in the social /knowledge/art strata in Europe. This was the time before photography, where actually creating a realistic duplication of a scene (portraits?) is considered to be impossible.
TO even suggest 2 opposites as being sponsored by one of the other is tatamount of saying a cat is born by a chicken which is eaten by the cat.
In short, all that philosophy that you expounded in the ends kicks you right in the butt...
Before i set off to start my work and before i click, i learned to consider whether i will do the same action one week from now, one year from now, one hundred years from now. That can really makes alot of difference, because its no longer just about clicking, its about who you really are! Don't be amazed that this practise can be so subconscious that happened within that split second. Never under estimates your metaphysics
However if i can make you feel exactly how you want to feel, then i am you
Don't be surprised that the painter and his painting made thousands years ago TALKs to me alone!
There are perhaps trillions of beings saw the same painting yet they dissolved into ages without getting it.
To create and to feel, Thats the power of true Art!
Oh god, you don't even know when da vinci existed?
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