80-200mm f/2.8 lens

[kingpin]

Roti, please don't close this thread. Let others air their views. I don't c these as arguments nor fighting. It's useful for some to vent their frustrations.
Since I started the tiff I have heard from a few others privately about their experiences on CS. These people are still with CS and appreciate it a lot, though they find some aspects frustrating. For those of u reading this thread please do so carefully and make your own judgement. Hope can answer YSLee's post and some after 2 days. Enough time for most regulars on CS to read and respond.
Jed- there are a lot of people out there who appreciated your contributions and I had too (if i'm not mistaken since asiaphoto.com days). This was not targeted at u. Don't be disheartened. But u do carry the tag of super moderator. More about this later.
CS readers - this thread had taken an unexpected turn which I think is useful. I propose to end this feedback in 2 days. Don't think it is useful to drag. So respond according to your heart and head. Only request is to be constructive and not personal nor sarcastic. Really its up to u.

 

[Larry]

hi people, ok i'm not the mod for this section, but this is seriously getting OT already. roti started this thread to find out about 80-200mm f/2.8 nikon-mount lenses so let's keep to the topic shall we? this is a photography forum, so let's keep it relevant please...

roti, i'm using the Sigma 70-200 f/2.8, EX version with HSM. it's a nice lens that i'm happy with so far (esp since i can't afford the Nikkors), build is nice, i like the QR removable tripod collar and it has slightly warm overtones, which is good for portraits. you're welcome to have a go at it if you pop by at the next SEED (you won't be the first to do so...), just lemme know in advance so i'll lug it along.

btw you might wanna keep an eye on the soon-to-be launched Nikkor AF-S 70-200 f/2.8 VR G lens... to be released in November. looks like another bestseller to me IMHO...

 

[Richard]

Originally posted by kingpin
Roti, please don't close this thread. Let others air their views. I don't c these as arguments nor fighting. It's useful for some to vent their frustrations.
Since I started the tiff I have heard from a few others privately about their experiences on CS. These people are still with CS and appreciate it a lot, though they find some aspects frustrating. For those of u reading this thread please do so carefully and make your own judgement. Hope can answer YSLee's post and some after 2 days. Enough time for most regulars on CS to read and respond.
Jed- there are a lot of people out there who appreciated your contributions and I had too (if i'm not mistaken since asiaphoto.com days). This was not targeted at u. Don't be disheartened. But u do carry the tag of super moderator. More about this later.
CS readers - this thread had taken an unexpected turn which I think is useful. I propose to end this feedback in 2 days. Don't think it is useful to drag. So respond according to your heart and head. Only request is to be constructive and not personal nor sarcastic. Really its up to u.

heya,

I would appreciate it if you guys would feedback whatever frustrating stuff you've felt about CS over here (click!!!).

Don't worry, we won't hold it against you. If it's justified, we'll look into it, if we think it's not justified, we'll explain our point of view.

 

[Richard]

Oh, by the way, if you've already listed it out somewhere else or in this thread, would appreciate if you'll repost it in that thread as well. It'll be easier for us to collate and mull over the responses.

 

[binbeto]

Originally posted by Larry

roti, i'm using the Sigma 70-200 f/2.8, EX version with HSM. it's a nice lens that i'm happy with so far (esp since i can't afford the Nikkors), build is nice, i like the QR removable tripod collar and it has slightly warm overtones, which is good for portraits. you're welcome to have a go at it if you pop by at the next SEED (you won't be the first to do so...), just lemme know in advance so i'll lug it along.

How much is that? I am hoping to get a zoom lens in that range with F2.8 aperture.

Is it warm using all film or just some? Will a cool filter correct that?
How's the optical performance and it's AF speed? Know the older nikon is rather slow in that aspect.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hi

first of all, this isn't a case of a moderator defending fellow moderators, but i don't see anything wrong with Ian's original post.

Firstly, Kingpin, you boldly proclaim "There are 4 models of the nikon 80-200".

Now being the Nikon nitwit that I am (and will gladly stay that way, not being inclined towards all that confusing Nikkor nonsense :devil: ), i will take that to mean that there are exactly 4 versions of the Nikon 80-200, which as Ian pointed out in a straightforward manner, simply isn't true.

I can forsee some antagonism towards Ian's remark, but Ian has already pointed out in the thread after Rayman's, that he meant no sacarsm or harm, and is just calling the facts as he sees it, so why take it so hard? YOu did allege there are 4 models of the 80-200, which someone like me might take it for real.

His signing off as "The Moderator" might put off some, but to me it's a remark in jest pointing out that he knows wat he's talking, not a show of authority as some might put it.

Now on to the second point. The question of Ian's credibility and the authenticity of his claim. If you don't believe Ian, you can always check it out and refute him in like manner. I believe when Ian replied, he replied with self conviction and authority. He's a pro, and he believes in what he's doing. His confident replies can often be miscontrued as being arrogant. If you think he's wrong, by all means provide substantial facts to correct him.....as I believe Jed has done.

Again, even Jed is open to correction. He and I have had some differences over opinions of Leica, and we made it public, yet at the end of it, there isn't bad blood - just an agreement to disagree.

What I see is a lot of people here not used to being corrected publicly, and taking offense quite easily at the slightest hint of disagreement. God knows how many times i've been corrected online, both here and elsewhere.

The bottomline is whether we learn anything from the various exchanges, or close our minds entirely to criticism.

Now may i suggest we drop all the Nikon crap and start using honest to goodness Canon gear so that to avoid potentially confusing exchanges again.....:devil: :rbounce:

 

[Kit]

Originally posted by Red Dawn

Now being the Nikon nitwit that I am (and will gladly stay that way, not being inclined towards all that confusing Nikkor nonsense :devil: ), i will take that to mean that there are exactly 4 versions of the Nikon 80-200, which as Ian pointed out in a straightforward manner, simply isn't true...................

........Now may i suggest we drop all the Nikon crap and start using honest to goodness Canon gear so that to avoid potentially confusing exchanges again.....:devil: :rbounce:

Didn't know, don't care, never confused. Still using Nikon.

 

[StreetShooter]

Originally posted by Red Dawn

Now may i suggest we drop all the Nikon crap and start using honest to goodness Canon gear so that to avoid potentially confusing exchanges again.....:devil: :rbounce:

Not to mention LTM's and M-bayonets.... :devil: :devil: :devil:

 

[ckiang]

Originally posted by Kit


Didn't know, don't care, never confused. Still using Nikon.

I am never confused. Not as confused as the many, many versions of say a Leica 50mm. Then you have the Summicrons, Summarits, etc. Then within each, you got several other variations.....

Canon only got 2 70-200mm f/2.8L coz that lens's history isn't as long as Nikons (I suppose if you count the CAnon 80-200/2.8 and the FD mount ones it will also be as many versions what).

Regards
CK

 

[Red Dawn]

Hi

hahaha ok CK and Streetshooter got me right on the (red) dot there

 

[StreetShooter]

BTW, RD, did you see the German glass I bought the other day?

 

[Larry]

Originally posted by binbeto
How much is that? I am hoping to get a zoom lens in that range with F2.8 aperture.

Is it warm using all film or just some? Will a cool filter correct that?
How's the optical performance and it's AF speed? Know the older nikon is rather slow in that aspect.

i got mine 2nd hand, but i think brand new is about $1200 or so (not sure, pls check out first...). the warm tone is very slight only IMHO, a cool filter might be overkill actually. it doesn't bother me, but flesh tones tend to be a little more ruddy (at least in my opinion). optical performance is excellent for its price range, focusing is very very quiet (was comparing it to the Nikkor AF-D version) and not much hunting (except in low-light situations). AF speed wise i can't comment but as per my offer to roti, you're welcome to try it at next SEED for yourself. just lemme know b4hand pls...

 

[ckiang]

Originally posted by Red Dawn
Hi

hahaha ok CK and Streetshooter got me right on the (red) dot there

Hey, I know my equipment (and others) reasonably well.

Regards
CK

 

[binbeto]

Originally posted by Larry
AF speed wise i can't comment but as per my offer to roti, you're welcome to try it at next SEED for yourself. just lemme know b4hand pls...

That's very kind of you to offer it for us to try... But my working hours is such that i can never make it for the SEEDS...

Instead of offering it for us to test. How abt offering us to buy? hee hee

 

[roti]

Originally posted by Larry
i got mine 2nd hand, but i think brand new is about $1200 or so (not sure, pls check out first...). the warm tone is very slight only IMHO, a cool filter might be overkill actually. it doesn't bother me, but flesh tones tend to be a little more ruddy (at least in my opinion). optical performance is excellent for its price range, focusing is very very quiet (was comparing it to the Nikkor AF-D version) and not much hunting (except in low-light situations). AF speed wise i can't comment but as per my offer to roti, you're welcome to try it at next SEED for yourself. just lemme know b4hand pls...

thanks man.......but if u ppl meet up on sat or sun.....i might not make it cause i hav to work.... ......but still thanks for the offer......

 

[Jed]

The Sigma's AF speed really depends on what camera you attach it too.

For normal use, when attached to an F5, F100 or F90x (or D1 series) the AF speed should be about the same as the Nikkor AF-D two touch version.

For tracking use, when attached to the same cameras (and I mean, serious tracking work here, not basic tracking), then the Sigma will have the slight edge.

On lower end cameras, that do accept HSM/AF-S lenses, the Sigma should focus faster than the Nikkor in most situations.

However as mentioned elsewhere, AF speed really is sufficient for everyday use whatever lens you decide to get, unless you're doing serious top end work. Plenty of my fellow colleagues are still using Nikkor push pulls, not to mention manual focus gear, so it really isn't impossible to get good pictures without the latest whizz bang gear.

The Nikkor AF-S is faster than both the aforementioned lenses.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by StreetShooter
BTW, RD, did you see the German glass I bought the other day?

oh my.....look at the incredible bokeh at the top!!! and oh.....the sharpness and rendition of fine details....simply out of this world!
:devil:

even has the made in german label!

 

[binbeto]

Originally posted by Jed

For normal use, when attached to an F5, F100 or F90x (or D1 series) the AF speed should be about the same as the Nikkor AF-D two touch version.

For tracking use, when attached to the same cameras (and I mean, serious tracking work here, not basic tracking), then the Sigma will have the slight edge.

However as mentioned elsewhere, AF speed really is sufficient for everyday use whatever lens you decide to get, unless you're doing serious top end work. Plenty of my fellow colleagues are still using Nikkor push pulls, not to mention manual focus gear, so it really isn't impossible to get good pictures without the latest whizz bang gear.

The Nikkor AF-S is faster than both the aforementioned lenses.

Oh i see. but as I maybe getting it 2nd hand.. I will try to find one with faster focus.. using the same body as comparison... The price diff is not a lot as compare to the cost of purchase...

Read that non "D" is rather slow as compare to D lens. so will be advisable to get the D version if it's still within your budget... Read from somewhere that Non D might need abt 3 sec to focus from infinity to min focus. Anyone can confirm this?

You never know when you need that extra speed...

 

[YSLee]

That's probably the 1 ring version. The 2 ring versions are pretty fast.

 

[ckiang]

Originally posted by YSLee
That's probably the 1 ring version. The 2 ring versions are pretty fast.

As you probably know, there's a 1 touch D version as well, before they came up with the current AFnD 2 touch version, which is faster like you say.

Regards
CK