80-200mm f/2.8 lens

[kingpin]

Another moderator again. Super one based overseas too. Guess shouldn't have said some thing negative about them. I like to say that I have no problems with being corrected. I took issue with Ian's manner. Read Ian's post again, he stated " ....some alleged expert posters..". And he even wants us to accept him as an expert. I leave it to those who read this thread and forums. Many of us are not experts nor do we ask to be accepted as one. Just sharing about what we know. Often we or rather I do not check up before replying posts. Like I say I should have used AFAIK so that the readers know it's only my limited knowledge. But before this I thot we were not experts hence have to be careful about the info given by others as it may not be accurate. The moderators can chip in to share their "extensive experience" by pointing out "factual" errors. Hope the moderators of this thread can feel and let in those who have their opinions about how response is to be made. I agree with rayman's post which was more specific about tack and sensitivity. That had been removed by ....??? Moderators do have a role to play. But to claim to be experts and be arrogant to thumb others down is not conducive to a friendly forum.
By the way, the push pull version has a third party adaptor for mounting tripod, think (AFAIK) it is the Kirk adaptor.

 

[YSLee]

Yes, it's a Kirk one, however again your post isn't entirely clear. Let's not mislead the newbies shall we (the whole point that Jed and Ian is trying to say)? Having the clueless is bad enough, but having the clueless leading the clueless, which is quite widespread, makes it even worse.

 

[reflecx]

While I see the need for accurate information, I do think that Ian's tone of reply ("as some alleged expert posters think") was inappropriate for a moderator. A simple correction would have sufficed, no sacarsm was needed.

 

[Klipsch]

Well stick around long enough and you'll know how things work around here...

 

[Ian]

Originally posted by reflecx
While I see the need for accurate information, I do think that Ian's tone of reply ("as some alleged expert posters think") was inappropriate for a moderator. A simple correction would have sufficed, no sacarsm was needed.

Kindly do me a favour and read what I said, was it signed 'moderator' at the end of the post? No it was not, therefore it was a personal comment, and do me the courtesy of actually reading what was posted from me. I stated specifically it was not a sarcastic comment and it wasn't. If it was going to be sarcastic I'd have made sure it was.

Wait till you see some of the outright fallacies posted by a number of folks and you'll understand why the comment was made.

As for kingpins later comments, well I could say something nasty but I'm going to refrain, both in a personal capacity and as a moderator.

 

[kingpin]

Sigh... tempted to make a comment but decided not to be sarcastic - which is the point of this tiff. Good, glad you are refraining, so will I. We all could be very nasty. Enough. Let's get out of this tiff and on with the issue of photography. I'll be more careful and I'll certainly be scrutinising. And for those who are tagged moderators hmmm... no excuses. Onwards please.....

 

[reflecx]

Originally posted by Ian


Kindly do me a favour and read what I said, was it signed 'moderator' at the end of the post? No it was not, therefore it was a personal comment, and do me the courtesy of actually reading what was posted from me. I stated specifically it was not a sarcastic comment and it wasn't. If it was going to be sarcastic I'd have made sure it was.

Huh? You did sign off as "the moderator" in that post, wondering why you said you didn't.

Well, at least Rayman and I thought that your remark was sarcastic, I'm not sure if others think so as well. So you might not have meant it, but it came across as such.

 

[mervlam]

NIkon have produced 5 versions of the 80-200/2.8 lens, NOT 4 as some alleged expert posters think.

duh... doesn't it sound sarcastic enough?
and u did signed off as moderator in that particular post.

moreover, ur status is reflected as "Moderator". thus people see u as a moderator of this forum. whether or not u sign off as "moderator" is thus not the issue.

pls pls, think twice before u post anything in the capacity as "Moderator" before u really offend anyone. not everyone is as good humoured as u.

i think we should refrain from farther arguments, ok?

Peace

 

[roti]

Originally posted by mervlam


duh... doesn't it sound sarcastic enough?
and u did signed off as moderator in that particular post.

moreover, ur status is reflected as "Moderator". thus people see u as a moderator of this forum. whether or not u sign off as "moderator" is thus not the issue.

pls pls, think twice before u post anything in the capacity as "Moderator" before u really offend anyone. not everyone is as good humoured as u.

i think we should refrain from farther arguments, ok?

Peace

Peace peace.....ok...there is enough war out there.......ok.......

 

[rayman]

Kingpin,

I was the one who removed my post. Reckon it was a bit hard on whoever I directed the post to. And I'd appreciate if those who read my post before I managed to delete it will keep it to themselves.

Anyway, sarcasm or not, tact or lack thereof, expertise or novice, we're all here on CS to learn more and to do so in a fun and enjoyable environment.

So guys, shall we lay this matter to rest? Roti is right. Wars are ongoing around the world so let's not kick start one here on CS, yeah?

Let's keep it lighthearted on CS! Cheers :thumbsup:

 

[Jed]

Originally posted by kingpin
Another moderator again. Super one based overseas too. Guess shouldn't have said some thing negative about them.

Hang on. Read my post. In my first paragraph I say that [1] you are right and [2] Ian does know what he's talking about.

I don't consider that to be an ultra defensive position, or jumping to the aid of a fellow moderator, just merely stating an even case based on facts.

Fact, you were right. Fact, Ian does know a lot. He's forgot a lot more than most (and I do not refer to you in any way) people will ever know, cliche saying or not.

I like to say that I have no problems with being corrected. I took issue with Ian's manner.

Really? Well read my post. No where in it do I condone Ian's tone of voice, I just commented on the extent of his knowledge. And I did not do so because of some need to stick up for a fellow moderator. It's because someone (erm, yourself) mentioned that "sounds like (Ian is) saying (he is an expert)." Well all I did was answer that statement in the affirmative.

I purposely said that it was not to press the case against you, but just pointed out another fallacy. How much more politically correct do you want me to be? Are you sure you got no problems being corrected?

So.

Another moderator again. Super one based overseas too. Guess shouldn't have said some thing negative about them.

So what's up with this statement then?

I really do not appreciate the tone, nor the singling out of the super one based overseas either. What, in all honesty, does that have anything to do with it?

You talk about Ian's tone, well now I'm talking about yours, and go read my original thread again. I stand up by it, I do not, in all honesty, think there is anything opinionated about it, and deals with only two points, one of which is completely in support of you and the other mentions a fact.

Yet somehow or the other I come under fire to get blasted. I take it as an insult that I would automatically jump to the defence of someone else just because he or she were a moderator. Certainly as I said my first post didn't do that.

Also it must be said that I don't think I've ever posted in an official capacity. Clubsnap doesn't employ me, or anyone else for that matter, and therefore it is generally a given that we are all (Ian, myself, and everyone else) is acting in their own capacity unless otherwise stated. I suspect Ian made a gaff about signing off on his post, but that is not an issue I'm going to deal with.

Read Ian's post again, he stated " ....some alleged expert posters..". And he even wants us to accept him as an expert. I leave it to those who read this thread and forums. Many of us are not experts nor do we ask to be accepted as one.

I know I know I know. Did I say otherwise? Like I said above, to be frank, I didn't really care for Ian's tone either. Which is why I tried to support you to a certain extent, without coming in direct conflict with Ian. That's quite different from supporting him. While I won't blindly defend someone, particularly while they might be in the wrong, there is an issue about presenting a good image and not taking someone to task in public. A good boss wouldn't give a worker a ticking off in front of everyone else, he'd pull the worker aside in private to do that

The moderators can chip in to share their "extensive experience" by pointing out "factual" errors.

Exactly what I did. And one point to say that you were right. Yet, I get that response from you?

By the way, the push pull version has a third party adaptor for mounting tripod, think (AFAIK) it is the Kirk adaptor.

Yes, very well done. But that's not exactly a "version" of the lens, and certainly not one Nikon made. It's still the same lens, with an added part from a third party manufacturer. I suppose when you buy the lens hood for the lens it becomes a new version too? Or if I buy a Kirk QR plate for one of the tripod collar versions then that becomes a new version as well? In fact, I never attach the tripod collar to my lens, does that mean there's two AF-S versions floating around as well then?

If you really didn't have a problem with being corrected, then just accept it, instead of trying to dig a deeper hole.

Originally I said that I had nothing about building the case against you, in other words, I had no intention to try to claim that you were a blittering idiot. Perhaps you didn't understand what I meant by "not building the case against you".

I'm sorry if this post is a bit brash, but I've had it up to here spending my life trying to be as PC as possible and not being appreciated for it. Sometimes I think I should be as forthright as Ian is.

 

[YSLee]

I'd like to address this particular problem.. it seems that people (particularly Singaporeans) have this attitude towards people with positions of apparent authority.. someone holding the post of "moderator" tend to get more mud slung at them just because of their apparent "position", even if they're not acting or speaking in official capacity (not very much official power to begin with even). Wonder why? Is there some underlying resentment towards such people? Should moderators and administrative people of CS shut up then?

 

[nhyone]

Originally posted by Ian
Nikkor 80-200 f2.8 E ED N AFn (AFn-D)
Introduced in 1997 and still in production, favoured by professionals who don't need the speed of the AFS version below.

Nikkor 80-200 f2.8 IF-ED (AFS) Two ring
Introduced late 1997 (dec) and still in production.

Just to check, is the date for the AF 80-200/2.8D lens correct? The two lenses seem released awfully close to each other.

 

[Jed]

No, Ian's got the date for the AF-S wrong, certainly. It was out in 1999.

 

[Tweek]

Originally posted by YSLee
I'd like to address this particular problem.. it seems that people (particularly Singaporeans) have this attitude towards people with positions of apparent authority.. someone holding the post of "moderator" tend to get more mud slung at them just because of their apparent "position", even if they're not acting or speaking in official capacity (not very much official power to begin with even). Wonder why? Is there some underlying resentment towards such people? Should moderators and administrative people of CS shut up then?

I have no problem with Darren, Edmund, Adamgoi, bluestrike, and many others.....in fact I think they have been very constructive. Does that say something? I don't know......

People have this natural tendency to think that their attitude is right, their tone is justified, and they'll go all out to justify it. Perhaps sometimes it is good also to take a step back, evaluate the situation a little, and do a bit of reflection. Why is it just you, and not others, that always get stuck with such situations? Is it you, or is it the masses?

Just some food for thought, my personal views. No flames intended.

 

[scanner]

Guys, let stop the argument.
There will be no end when the finger pointing game still carry on like this.

CS is a place where fellow photographers exchange knowledge and experience.

Hey! I do benefits alot since I've joined the club. I do made mistake as well, but the most important thing is, I've learnt through the mistake.
It is beneficial to me as well as the audience that the comment made might not be correct and there will people there correcting your mistake but in a well phrase manner.
So let stop all this arugment.

 

[roti]

aiyo......all of ur ppl just close this thread la...........i ask only questions.......now become agrument........
I dun know wat to say now.......

 

[Jed]

Originally posted by Tweek


I have no problem with Darren, Edmund, Adamgoi, bluestrike, and many others.....in fact I think they have been very constructive. Does that say something? I don't know......

People have this natural tendency to think that their attitude is right, their tone is justified, and they'll go all out to justify it. Perhaps sometimes it is good also to take a step back, evalute the situation a little, and do a bit of reflection. Why is it just you, and not others, that always get stuck with such situations? Is it you, or is it the masses?

Just some food for thought, my personal views. No flames intended.

Does it say something? That’s what I want to know as well.

This is not trying to justify myself, just part of the self-examination process in the hope of getting to the bottom of the matter. Ian and myself have a tendency to go around correcting people on their statements; the people you mention tend to shy away from that. Stuff they post is completely un-inflammatory. I suspect that it is a natural tendency for people not to like to be corrected.

God knows (and several people) that generally speaking I try to be as politically correct as I can possibly be. I honestly do not feel in any way that my original post was inappropriate, let alone inappropriate enough to spawn the kind of reply it generated from Kingpin.

Tweek makes good points, maybe I am being the blithering idiot. I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again now because I am being sincere. I try my best, but I still end up getting personal whacks, like super mod and overseas, every now and then. If my original post was inappropriate, please tell me.

If you feel that I am being a blithering idiot and am more trouble than I am worth (or in fact, if you feel I am any trouble at all) them also please tell me. I am really distressed by all these issues, and I suspect that my heart could do with being given a break from forums as well. So if you want me away, just say and I’ll go.

 

[Tweek]

Jed, you have pm.

 

[tomshen]

kingpin, u have PM.