400D has arrived in Singapore

[thw]

Personally, if I do not have any legacy lenses, I will consider the D80 to be a much better package. Better handling, useful features (grid, ISO in viewfinder, more consistent continuous shooting etc. The well-known Canon advantage of high ISO performance is lost on the 400D. Also, dust-buster is not really 100% reliable. Overall, the D80 trounces the 400D in every way.

Personally, I have too many Canon lenses to switch. Besides, I am confident the 30D upgrade next year will really show the world what Canon is truly capable of. It's the current crop of upgrades that is disappointing.

 

[zambullidor]

I'm more interested in the D80 than the 400D even though I'm a Canon user.

Price aside, D80 is IMO a better cam than 400D in terms of touch and hold.

Not starting a war here, so I hope my reply dies here and will not spark any arguments.

Peace :kiss:

 

[jeryltan]

must wait till 8 sep then will know lor.. my guess is street price should be 1500~1550..

but should be able to get it cheaper at other place right?
1699...hmmm

 

[Red Dawn]

or user issues? cos i never have problem with my flash shots, i always get what i want, consistently and accurately.

somemore my 550ex has been with me since D30 days (4-5 years ago) and it is still alive and kicking with all my intensive usage and abuse.

haha ya.. my 420EX is also still with me from my D30 days..... and still working.

Not sure what Canon dslr Stoned is using, but he might be referring to earlier DSLRs where evaluative flash metering was too heavily weighted in favor of focus points, and which thus necessitates the use of preflash if one desires to have an off centre composition but yet still use one focus point. That "issue" i believe was solved with the 10D and above. Still that is already considered ancient history.

Canon did resolve the issue without necessitating entire change of flash systems with various fancy names forced upon users of newer DSLRs :bsmilie: *ducks*

As for the D80 vs the 400D, I do think the D80 seem to represent a better value if one starts off without a system (this coming from a Canon user!). Main reasons being it is purported to have the bigger viewfinder of the D200, the flash commander mode in camera (which, if u need it, saves u money from buying the Canon STE2), nicer on-LCD menus, better build quality (the D70 was better built imho than the EOS 350D, so if the trend continues...) and very short shutter lag.

 

[pokiemon]

if 400D is supposed to be 350D replacement, the prices have not really come down.

 

[jeryltan]

if you remember.. when 350d was 1st launched, the rrp was 1799.. so prices have come down.. 350d last selling price was 1599 and price only dropped today when 400d price announced, you don't expect a newer model to be cheaper right?

if 400D is supposed to be 350D replacement, the prices have not really come down.

 

[sharf]

i assumed the canon $1,669 is a kit lens included price.
so its Nikon with kit $2,288 vs $1,669 Canon with kit

This is comparing apples ang oranges, how can you compate 18-55 MM kit lens with 18-135 MM kit lens.

 

[pokiemon]

actually i am. but i guess it is not in the form of price but technology.

 

[kraterz]

Even tho I am a canon user I'd get the D80 if buying first time b'cos of the better build, large viewfinder and better features like grid screen etc. Its much better value for money.

 

[jeryltan]

well.. actually even if the "crap" 18-55mm canon kit lens is worth $0, the canon at 1669 is still cheaper than the d80 body only although feature wise, i would say each has it's own advantages.. d80 most probably has bigger viewfinder, but 400d has anti-dust and probably better high iso performance.. so it really comes down to what you want

This is comparing apples ang oranges, how can you compate 18-55 MM kit lens with 18-135 MM kit lens.

 

[jeryltan]

why do you think that high iso performance is lost in the 400d? has there been a review done already?

Personally, if I do not have any legacy lenses, I will consider the D80 to be a much better package. Better handling, useful features (grid, ISO in viewfinder, more consistent continuous shooting etc. The well-known Canon advantage of high ISO performance is lost on the 400D. Also, dust-buster is not really 100% reliable. Overall, the D80 trounces the 400D in every way.

Personally, I have too many Canon lenses to switch. Besides, I am confident the 30D upgrade next year will really show the world what Canon is truly capable of. It's the current crop of upgrades that is disappointing.

 

[biggulp]

You can't compare the prices directly this way. the d80 is not nikon's lowest end camera (that would be the d50) but the 400d is the entry level slr for canon.

 

[jeryltan]

everybody's lineup is subjective, a100 is sony's lowest and also highest end dslr, but you wouldn't compare it with a d2x or 1dsmkii right? d50 would be way, way below 400d specs.. so is not even a fair comparison to start with, d50 would be more competitive with 350d.. whereas d80 and 400d specs are competitive..

You can't compare the prices directly this way. the d80 is not nikon's lowest end camera (that would be the d50) but the 400d is the entry level slr for canon.

 

[hong]

Compare the Bunny Shots
400D
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/08/31/4504.html

D80
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/08/18/4415.html

IMHO, D80 shots look more focused

 

[28degree]

Not sure if you guys have read this yet:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0608/06082416canoneos400drebelxti.asp

 

[Stoned]

or user issues? cos i never have problem with my flash shots, i always get what i want, consistently and accurately.

somemore my 550ex has been with me since D30 days (4-5 years ago) and it is still alive and kicking with all my intensive usage and abuse.

I'm not sure if it's a user issue, but generally the flash system gives me inconsistent exposure under certain circumstances if you just leave it on plain ETTL mode. about 20% of the time, I need to dial in some level of FEC in order to balance out the exposure properly. Under certain circumstances, I've noticed that the flash can give 3 different outputs from 3 exact same frames(mount on tripod) as well, which is quite ridiculous IMO, considering it's a electronic device.

I don't have problems with my flash shots either, just that I feel that the accuracy in flash output and metering loses out to a Nikon system, which is an irritation, considering how much you fork out for the flash unit. Compare a nikon set-up and a Canon set-up and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Stoned]

Compare the Bunny Shots
400D
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/08/31/4504.html

D80
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/08/18/4415.html

IMHO, D80 shots look more focused

Because the D80 kit lens cost 4 times what the 18-55 canon kit lens costs. Also, that aside, it's not fair to compare two bodies using two different lenses since IQ from an SLR are so heavily dependent on the lenses used. If you wanted to pit two bodies head to head in such a test you would be better off using a 3rd party lens so you could use the same lens for both bodies.

Furthermore, as both images are jpegs, different levels of sharpening may be set, even though the cameras are left at default, for different manufacturers will set different levels of sharpening as the default.

 

[J-Chan]

thinking of getting my 1st dSLR.. but then I'm still a student and $$ abit of an issue.. so which is more worth it, the 350D or 400D?

 

[Stoned]

thinking of getting my 1st dSLR.. but then I'm still a student and $$ abit of an issue.. so which is more worth it, the 350D or 400D?

2nd hand 350d.

 

[28degree]

thinking of getting my 1st dSLR.. but then I'm still a student and $$ abit of an issue.. so which is more worth it, the 350D or 400D?

saw from the canon ad got 24 months interest free installment payment....maybe can try that one out...
can spread the amt across 2 years, so that pocket less siong...
and can save up for lens also hehe