300D vs D70

[mpenza]

;p the author seems to equate the quality of zoom lens with the number of times zoom. he'll probably be impressed by the 28-300's.....

there're some errors too, e.g. 3fps is not up to 144, 300D's kit lens is 18-55, not 18-44, D70 comes in a lens kit bundle (which is even more value for money)... and probably pros don't gripe too much about kit lenses.

 

[loupgarou]

the thing is: if you're caring about image quality, you'll be shooting at NEF and not JPG.

especially now that we find out that JPG mode has moire caused by the in camera demosaicing algorithm. *ie: NEF + bibble raw convertor or ps"

so that reduces you to PJ mode for where burst mode is important but image quality isn't. with NEF your burst mode drops to 4fps..

*actual d70 users feel free to correct me.. might have misunderstood some specs.

 

[concuss]

the thing is: if you're caring about image quality, you'll be shooting at NEF and not JPG.

especially now that we find out that JPG mode has moire caused by the in camera demosaicing algorithm. *ie: NEF + bibble raw convertor or ps"

so that reduces you to PJ mode for where burst mode is important but image quality isn't. with NEF your burst mode drops to 4fps..

*actual d70 users feel free to correct me.. might have misunderstood some specs.

The burst mode with NEF is 4 fps? So fast? Even faster than when shooting JPGs? Then, that's okay what!

wah, D70... good buy!

I can only manage 3fps with my D100.... and max 4 shots only with RAW. haha.... nevermind. I am saving up money for the D200 liaos..... :devil:

And watcher.... thanx for introducing the 12-24 to me.... can't describe the feeling to you guys when you can get 18-36mm on a digital body man.... SHIOKS!!!!! ;p

 

[loupgarou]

The burst mode with NEF is 4 fps? So fast? Even faster than when shooting JPGs? Then, that's okay what!

anyone with the D70 brochure, please refer to the table about this.. I misinterpret 4 frame buffer for 4 fps.



anyway website says:

D70
Continuous shooting at 3 images per second for a continuous burst of up to 144 pictures (using JPEG NORMAL - Large settings, and a SanDisk 256MB CompactFlash™ card) thanks to improved buffer memory handling, faster image processing, increased memory card access speed and greater system bus bandwidth. The number of continuous shots possible in a single burst may be fewer depending on the type of CF card used.

Rate for D70 NEF is "4 frame buffer NEF, 3 fps" at http://www.bythom.com/d70.htm

anyway 300D raw is supposed to be "Up to 4 shots, 2.5 fps"

so the differences for people who shoot RAW is not very significant.

I suppose JPEG shooters (ie: those who benefit most from a 144 frame buffer) would benefit more from speed at the expense of quality.

last but more importantly , D70 Compressed NEF is allegedly 9 bit according to
thom hogan

source:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=7532684
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6451-6663-6665

*canon's raw format on the other hand is 12bit.

again: lest I offend any nikonians with wrong facts, please correct me where wrong.

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[espn]

The burst mode with NEF is 4 fps? So fast? Even faster than when shooting JPGs? Then, that's okay what!

wah, D70... good buy!

I can only manage 3fps with my D100.... and max 4 shots only with RAW. haha.... nevermind. I am saving up money for the D200 liaos..... :devil:

And watcher.... thanx for introducing the 12-24 to me.... can't describe the feeling to you guys when you can get 18-36mm on a digital body man.... SHIOKS!!!!! ;p

Dude, 3fps, but you can continue burst as long as the card & camera can sustain. D100 with a Lexar 40x can hit 10shots JPEG Large consecutively on burst. Same as D100, the D70 max buffer is 4 RAW shots consecutively. But still in 3fps.

And you can't go wrong with 12-24DX, next you need a 70-200VR :devil:

 

[mpenza]

3fps could be up till around 20 on a fast card (for jpg). it drops after that to around 1.5fps.

 

[Watcher]

Dude, 3fps, but you can continue burst as long as the card & camera can sustain. D100 with a Lexar 40x can hit 10shots JPEG Large consecutively on burst. Same as D100, the D70 max buffer is 4 RAW shots consecutively. But still in 3fps.

And you can't go wrong with 12-24DX, next you need a 70-200VR :devil:

And don't forget, visit here to see and compare the speed of the CF writing. This is a seldom brought up point that makes very significant issue, especially when you compare the difference... Look for the two cameras, using Lexar 40x or SanDisk Ultra II or Extreme...

As for the 70-200 VR, he knows... :devil: :devil:

 

[mpenza]

D70's write speed is really fast... around 130% improvement over the D100 for the top card.

 

[2100]

D70's write speed is really fast... around 130% improvement over the D100 for the top card.

I tot it's around 230% faster than D100 for the top cards like Sandisk. ;p

Anyway, i wonder if anyone wanna process burst sequences of 200 NEFs. :sweat: So i guess it is up to the individual whether Large JPG Fine is good enough. Anyway, seriously, with the Sandisk Ultra II, after bursting 4 NEF frames @ 3fps, you just wait for 3 seconds and you are back in biz to shoot another 4 more frames. That is to say simply that the lag from the last frame shot to the time you can press shutter to shoot another 4 burst is 3 seconds, repeatable till the card fills. (of coz you can don't wait till it finishes but you won't be able to burst so many). Either that or if you do not lift your finger, the cam can capture at about 1fps till the card finishes. But must bring notebook or digital wallet. Even 1GB fills up fast. :sweat:
I was shooting Bae Yong Joon last week (had passes, bagus!) and used it to good effect in JPG. Trust me, 1k frames of RAW won't be fun.

 

[2100]

last but more importantly , D70 Compressed NEF is allegedly 9 bit according to
thom hogan

source:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=7532684
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6451-6663-6665

*canon's raw format on the other hand is 12bit.
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I tot your link to Rob Galbraith's site cited 12-bit for RAW. Also on dpreview, it is 'NEF (12-bit lossless compressed RAW)'. Nikon also cites 12-bit. I am not sure where did Thom Hogan got his 9-bit.

 

[mpenza]

I tot it's around 230% faster than D100 for the top cards like Sandisk. ;p

just a minor thing. the speed is 230% that of D100 for Sandisk extreme but it's 130% faster. you need to deduct 100% (if not having the same speed will make it 100% faster, which doesn't make sense).

 

[2100]

just a minor thing. the speed is 230% that of D100 for Sandisk extreme but it's 130% faster. you need to deduct 100% (if not having the same speed will make it 100% faster, which doesn't make sense).

Orh... ok...roger. ;p

 

[loupgarou]

I tot your link to Rob Galbraith's site cited 12-bit for RAW. Also on dpreview, it is 'NEF (12-bit lossless compressed RAW)'. Nikon also cites 12-bit. I am not sure where did Thom Hogan got his 9-bit.

I think he checked the color space.

 

[Watcher]

just a minor thing. the speed is 230% that of D100 for Sandisk extreme but it's 130% faster. you need to deduct 100% (if not having the same speed will make it 100% faster, which doesn't make sense).

And keeping on-topic, when you compare 300D vs D70?

 

[loupgarou]

300D doesn't use the lexar WA, ie: doesn't matter what speed your CF card is, its going to write at a constant rate. (unfortunately, I can't prove this for certain since I'm not spending more for a lexar WA card, so its anecdoctal, I think a 30x card is quite adequate for it)

 

[mpenza]

And keeping on-topic, when you compare 300D vs D70?

think this was mentioned before. D70 is definitely faster (it's the fastest for jpeg among all DSLRs {faster than even the D2H} and second fastest for RAW).

loupgarou, there's is a speed difference between cards. From Rob's database, between the top card is faster than the bottom card by 86%.

 

[Watcher]

And keeping on-topic, when you compare 300D vs D70?

Since both of you are evading giving hard facts on topic (D100 is not in debate here and esp when % were being thrown around) when it does not suit you, let me summarize:

                        D70            300D         Difference(1x=same)
                     JPG   RAW      JPG    RAW          JPG     RAW
Sandisk Ultra II     4031  4669    1324   1292         3.04x   3.61x

Transcend 45x        3355  3667    1224   1215         2.74x   3.02x

Lexar 40x WA(old)    2879  3420    1222   1214         2.36x   2.84x

Transcend 30x        2757  2972    1123   1112         2.46x   2.67x

The data was obtain from Rob Galbraith's website; all cards except the Transcend 30x (512MB), are 1 GB. Note that 2 out of three CFs are without WA which is not critical to D70; only the raw speed.

Conclusion: CF write speed of the D70 is much superior to the 300D.

Even if the buffer for JPG is 2x of the D70 in 300D Mk II, if the same speed of writing in that future camera and I'm using the Transcend 45x, the clearing of the buffer on the D70 will be done before 300D MkII ! :bsmilie:

And since lougarou especially is using the 30x media, the last one's for him

 

[sfhuang]

can't describe the feeling to you guys when you can get 18-36mm on a digital body man.... SHIOKS!!!!! ;p

wait till you see what you get with 12mm on a FILM SLR. it's even more shiok than 18mm.

 

[mpenza]

not too sure abt Nikon but for a zoom lens, you'll need the Sigma 12-24 right?

 

[sfhuang]

not too sure abt Nikon but for a zoom lens, you'll need the Sigma 12-24 right?

yep. Unless Nikon finally wakes up its idea and comes out with a Nikon AFS ED 12-24mmD f/4.