X-Pro 1 User Group

[subzero]

Oh. Medium format are 16 bit. 35 mm Nikon n Canon are at 14 bit. I think M4/3 are 14 or lower. When u under or over expose w a higher bit depth, you can recover them easily. This is even w the jpegs of medium format. The files can take lots of thrashing w/o being 'broken'. For landscaping, recovery of the shadows n highlights are important. If I were to get the X-Pro 1, I need to adjust n adapt myself n not over expect. Having said that, it does bring back the fun back to photography I just don't want to keep so many cameras leh. Haha

In fact I don't see any different for adjusting of shadow and highlight on the raw file for both x-pro and d800. You may want to download sample raw file to test it out.

 

[Thoth]

In fact I don't see any different for adjusting of shadow and highlight on the raw file for both x-pro and d800. You may want to download sample raw file to test it out.

Yes. I second to this. D amount of details out from d shadows n highlights from d X system is pretty impressive.

 

[JacePhoto]

Ok. I shld look for the raw files to download.

As for how to see them... I download the jpegs. A few slider movement on the contrast/ brightness/ saturation, the noise appears.

 

[subzero]

Ok. I shld look for the raw files to download. As for how to see them... I download the jpegs. A few slider movement on the contrast/ brightness/ saturation, the noise appears.

Hmm I am not sure if that is the right way to see. Better to do it with raw file.

 

[kel77]

Oh. Medium format are 16 bit. 35 mm Nikon n Canon are at 14 bit. I think M4/3 are 14 or lower.

When u under or over expose w a higher bit depth, you can recover them easily. This is even w the jpegs of medium format. The files can take lots of thrashing w/o being 'broken'.

For landscaping, recovery of the shadows n highlights are important.

If I were to get the X-Pro 1, I need to adjust n adapt myself n not over expect. Having said that, it does bring back the fun back to photography

I just don't want to keep so many cameras leh. Haha

If you are concerned, X-Pro 1 is only 12bit. :bsmilie:

 

[JacePhoto]

Thanks for the info. Yeah, as I find out more, I think it's good as it is

Can't do much w 12 bit within my limited ability. Haha

 

[JacePhoto]

Thanks for the info

I just need to manage my expectations. Prob keep my main camera. Haha

 

[thingie]

If you are concerned, X-Pro 1 is only 12bit. :bsmilie:

FWIW i believe Canon's also 12 bit? Remember Nikon having an option for either 12 or 14 bit images.

 

[JacePhoto]

Sorry. Last question. How do u guys find the low light performance?

I saw samples on light and it seems to suggest that it's a daylight camera?

 

[kel77]

FWIW i believe Canon's also 12 bit? Remember Nikon having an option for either 12 or 14 bit images.

Canon 40D started with 14 bit.

 

[subzero]

Canon 40D started with 14 bit.

I read that x-trans sensor Ii in x100s and x-e2 support 14bit.

 

[cks2k2]

Oh. Medium format are 16 bit. 35 mm Nikon n Canon are at 14 bit. I think M4/3 are 14 or lower.

When u under or over expose w a higher bit depth, you can recover them easily. This is even w the jpegs of medium format. The files can take lots of thrashing w/o being 'broken'.

For landscaping, recovery of the shadows n highlights are important.

If I were to get the X-Pro 1, I need to adjust n adapt myself n not over expect. Having said that, it does bring back the fun back to photography

I just don't want to keep so many cameras leh. Haha

isn't jpeg always 8 bit/channel?
unless you're talking about jpeg2000, which is a different standard altogether.

also camera sensors store data in a logarithmic scale to mimic the human eye's response to light, and not in linear scale. that's why camera response is a curve and not a straight line.

 

[bobojo]

Thanks for the info. Yeah, as I find out more, I think it's good as it is

Can't do much w 12 bit within my limited ability. Haha

lol i think u are reading too much into these marketing terms. 12bits is referring to the raw file from the camera. It doesn't mean a camera advertised with 14bits raw will necessary capture more colors than another "12bit" camera. If the sensor is garbage it's just extra bits of noise taking a whole lot of space in your harddisk Any case, no camera will capture the full 12bits (much less 14bits) of colors, certainly not even the D800.

Still, if your camera can't recover the blackest of blackest shadows then who else can? Maybe it's good to be taking a step back with the Fuji, think about a picture, minus this thought - "i can fix this back home with photoshop"

 

[thingie]

Sorry. Last question. How do u guys find the low light performance?

I saw samples on light and it seems to suggest that it's a daylight camera?

296/365 - night watchman by Joel Lim | joellim.com, on Flickr
ISO2500 1/50th f/1.4 X-Pro1 with 35mm


late nights by Joel Lim | joellim.com, on Flickr
ISO6400 1/30th f/2.8 X-Pro1 with 14mm

 

[Recoil3d]

Sorry. Last question. How do u guys find the low light performance?

I saw samples on light and it seems to suggest that it's a daylight camera?

IMO, Xpro1 X-trans sensor surpasses all previous gen full frame cameras in terms of low light performance.

Even now it is just a smidge below current full frame offering.


I shoot almost 70% of the time on my xpro at night and in low light and it never fails.

 

[Thoth]

IMO, Xpro1 X-trans sensor surpasses all previous gen full frame cameras in terms of low light performance. Even now it is just a smidge below current full frame offering. I shoot almost 70% of the time on my xpro at night and in low light and it never fails.

D firmware upgrade is a welcome remedy to d initial AF challenge in low light on locking n speed. Though still not as fast as M4/3s or some other mirror less in d market, it's still very good to use.

 

[subzero]

Good to have someone to clarify bits.

lol i think u are reading too much into these marketing terms. 12bits is referring to the raw file from the camera. It doesn't mean a camera advertised with 14bits raw will necessary capture more colors than another "12bit" camera. If the sensor is garbage it's just extra bits of noise taking a whole lot of space in your harddisk Any case, no camera will capture the full 12bits (much less 14bits) of colors, certainly not even the D800.

Still, if your camera can't recover the blackest of blackest shadows then who else can? Maybe it's good to be taking a step back with the Fuji, think about a picture, minus this thought - "i can fix this back home with photoshop"

 

[subzero]

You are absolutely wrong, one reason i go for Fuji is the abilty to get good images in low light. From my experience with both X-Pro1 & D800, images from X-Pro1 look cleaner in high ISO than D800 images which has not been downsampled. Of cause D800 images look better after it has been downsampled. Not only that it works well with long exposure for night shots or to use with ND fillter in day time.

Sorry. Last question. How do u guys find the low light performance?

I saw samples on light and it seems to suggest that it's a daylight camera?

 

[JacePhoto]

Thanks everyone for sharing and the inputs. I have certainly learned a lot. *thumbs up*