Wow! Leica-mount Pentax lens!
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I am kinda disappointed with the anti leica sentiment in the forum
. German has the materials in the elements.. the company has very stringent QA and hard to make, hard to manufacture and alot of many on R & D. I have seen freaking aweaome photos taken by those user old timer.. they come from film era.. I asked one of them how the know Leica.. they develop their own films they see the differences. but I do not really if what had been said is true that Leica ask Pentax to make the 43mm f1.8 but nevertheless Pentax make good limited Fa optics
. German has the materials in the elements.. the company has very stringent QA and hard to make, hard to manufacture and alot of many on R & D. I have seen freaking aweaome photos taken by those user old timer.. they come from film era.. I asked one of them how the know Leica.. they develop their own films they see the differences. but I do not really if what had been said is true that Leica ask Pentax to make the 43mm f1.8 but nevertheless Pentax make good limited Fa optics
If you read thru the replies, I don't think any were anti-Leica.
Points like lots of value for money; results that counts (ie. good photos); every make got its good lenses; form the gist of the replies.
I'm sure most if not all the posters are mult--brand/format and can appreciate that every system has its nice lenses as well as pros/cons.
It was the 'Leica is the best and everyone is a dummy' type statement that was asking to be refuted.
Each brand do have their pros and cons.
Some brands went for plastic constriction, some went for metal.
Some chose center sharpness from wide open, others chose even sharpness.
Some chose faster aperture, others chose small size and portability, believing that the best lens is the one you can being out more often.
Some have silent/fast AF; Others only MF (and noisy screw drive)
Its just how each brands marketing direction and philosophy aligns with the user.
Like to bring this up again ... just sharing.
Pentax (A Ricoh Company)
Congrats on finding/getting this lens.
I'm still in awe that a Pentaxian here now has this pretty rare lens.
(previously, can only read in forums about it)
Congrats on finding/getting this lens.
I'm still in awe that a Pentaxian here now has this pretty rare lens.
(previously, can only read in forums about it)
He got it already? I thought he say not his yet...?:think:
Tiredofallthese
Senior Member
congrats bro...very niceeee lens.
edutilos-
Senior Member
I am disappointed by the bunch of people who run around the forums saying that Leica is the best bar none.
Everyone's needs are different, as well as their level of acceptance of paying more for their photographic gear. Just because I think it's worth it to spend money on a top end computer doesn't mean that I go around telling people that my computer is the only model and combination that they should use. I know that it is my choice, and "best" is relative.
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edutilos-
Senior Member
Should be his leh. Unless he photoshop in advance. :bsmilie:
oceanpriest
Senior Member
Every lens manufacturer had made its best and worst lens, including leica. I'm sure many lenses will easily outperform leitz hektor.
If leica is the best, robert capa wouldn't use contax, vivian maier wouldn't use rolleiflex, ansel adams wouldn't use hasselblad, they all would use leica rite? The important thing is people can enjoy your photos, regardless of what gear you use.
Very stringent QA are just a myth, some design flaws were there at particular time, these could explain why so many haze on those old leica lenses. Saying one brand is the best brand only made you malu :nono:
This is well understood! not taking it personally.
If they say Leica is the Best doesn't mean they are using Leica, nor they are asking u to use it nor that are saying like you pic is bad or their is the best (minority maybe). They could be using other equipments aside Leica. Apparently some of the people I met who told me about Leica not are using Leica... I hardly find any Leica user boosting about their equipment except on lens reviews...I remembered only see 1 post on 21mm f3.4 elmar ..on this clubsnap forum ...I would say is a nice review.
Yet most people are inclined against Leica users. They also people who say FA31MM, 43MM and 77mm is as good as Leica, this doest not mean Pentax FA Limited is the best bar none.?
Yeap Leica QA ia a Myth!
Everyone has the right on their own ground is say which equipment is the best, subject to your perception and understanding, taste, there is nothing to malu about! I find AND PROUDLY say i FIND Pentax 6X7 give the best unique texture and mood, Leica is best because of the lens materials and contrast the way it capture light like no other. doesn't need to be so nitty gritty about what mean to say Best or Malu about. Find one that fit your taste not the brand, is the one that is best to you.. It's already well understood that every equipement not properly maintained will have haze... but I do believe that FA limited Lens coasting smc is the best coating every made are less prone to erode .particularly the newer ones.. What is so Malu about??? . it's not necessary to be so "nitty gritty"??? Don't have to malu someone because they say something is the best , because is not your brand or your taste..
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Wow! How did a thread i started over a year ago suddenly revive again?:bsmilie:
I think all Oceanpriest is saying is that all manufacturers have made great lenses, good lenses and not-so-good ones. To proclaim that a manufacturer makes only the best is somewhat lacking in objectivity, especially when they insist other manufacturers' lenses will never measure up to any of their lenses.
I would prefer to admire the 43mm m mount... look so much than the auto focus one, than to talk so much...this is suppose to be a fun hobby community.
Don't know he say earlier still thinking and not officially his yet so I'm thinking he borrowed the lens to test out and that's why it is mounted on his camera...:bsmilie:
MagnumLite
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I don't normally participate in "intense controversial discussion", however whatever misunderstanding that stamp out from this thread could be from a joke or a snide remark from this posting:-
If this is true than there should be links to indicate so otherwise I'm not surprise that some Leica user would feel offended, this is the same to equate in a statement as far as it goes " Ferrari asking Chery to make for them a sportscar for them because their sportcar is as good as any Ferrari". Any Ferrari owner would be offended after forking out hundred of thousand to millions of dollar to be equated to a car going for less than $20K.
In marketing terms it would be suicidal for any manufacturer to even acknowledge another manufacturer's product is as good as theirs and as for the consumer, sometime brand association is a show of status and taste. To make a claim that Leica's lens is one of the best in the world is not wrong as well because a Leica owner can always justify by saying that people are willing to pay thousands of dollars for their lenses.
This all comes back to individual, for me I always go to Changi Village for Nasi Lemak and there is one particular store with a long queue. Since there are so many people willing to invest their time to line up, is this the best Nasi Lemak in Changi? Well out of curiosity, one day I queue up as well, ate the nasi lemak and find nothing special or magical about it. The next time I go for nasi lemak in Changi, I just look for the store with no queue and buy it from them. It doesn't matter to me because I don't want to waste my time lining up but I don't mock those lining up for their nasi lemak.
Pentax FA43 is ssssooooooo good, Leica also wanted one to use on their RF cameras, that's why they asked Pentax to make one for them
If this is true than there should be links to indicate so otherwise I'm not surprise that some Leica user would feel offended, this is the same to equate in a statement as far as it goes " Ferrari asking Chery to make for them a sportscar for them because their sportcar is as good as any Ferrari". Any Ferrari owner would be offended after forking out hundred of thousand to millions of dollar to be equated to a car going for less than $20K.
In marketing terms it would be suicidal for any manufacturer to even acknowledge another manufacturer's product is as good as theirs and as for the consumer, sometime brand association is a show of status and taste. To make a claim that Leica's lens is one of the best in the world is not wrong as well because a Leica owner can always justify by saying that people are willing to pay thousands of dollars for their lenses.
This all comes back to individual, for me I always go to Changi Village for Nasi Lemak and there is one particular store with a long queue. Since there are so many people willing to invest their time to line up, is this the best Nasi Lemak in Changi? Well out of curiosity, one day I queue up as well, ate the nasi lemak and find nothing special or magical about it. The next time I go for nasi lemak in Changi, I just look for the store with no queue and buy it from them. It doesn't matter to me because I don't want to waste my time lining up but I don't mock those lining up for their nasi lemak.
Thoth
Senior Member
MagnumLite said:
Haha. Tat Nasi Lemak stall was really good ages bk. Now so so. U should try d Adam Road food centre's Nasi Lemak. Much better IMHO. Btw, just to clarify, I ain't saying other makers' lenses r not good. But in terms of making lenses at a certain focal length n aperture, Leica has been legendary in tat way. Look at Noctilux 50mm f/0.95. It's not difficult to make a great 50mm lens at ard f/1.5 or lesser, but Leica does set d bar high every time in such cases.
Apologies if I had roused any controversy but being objective, combining build quality, resale value n optics standard all in one, which other makers' lenses holds better value over time? Looking at d stats, seems Leica is the only one tat the specific range of lenses appreciates over time n r for keen collections. Personal view ya, dun take it subjectively. Tks
edutilos-
Senior Member
I don't think anyone will dispute that Leica lenses are good. You are willing to buy it. That's great, I won't tell you not to because it's your money. I also don't disagree that they hold value over time. I have friends who buy it because of that too. But they are not for everyone, and if you've seen the condition of some of my more used lenses, even if they were Leica they won't sell for much. I like to.. Make pictures, not worry about the lens value 2 years down the road if I sell the lens. I think I've sold more camera bodies than lenses over the years. When I get rid of lenses it's either because I don't like the focal length or it just isn't as usable (e.g. rubber peeled, intermittent communication between body-lens) so I give it away.
Definitely Leica is a good brand of lens to collect, if you're into that.
But that aside, I don't think they are anything special. If someone pays so much for a lens naturally you should be expecting better quality/build/etc. But as always, you pay so much more for marginal improvements. Cheers and happy CNY!
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Anthony Lee
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Let the photos do all the talking, everything else pales in comparison.
