Parchiao said:Can afford $$$$$ cameras and accessories, but cannot pay $ more for your already dirt cheap public transport. :sticktong
not everybody mah...i dun even have a damn camera...hahaha :sweatsm:
Parchiao said:Can afford $$$$$ cameras and accessories, but cannot pay $ more for your already dirt cheap public transport. :sticktong
Parchiao said:Can afford $$$$$ cameras and accessories, but cannot pay $ more for your already dirt cheap public transport. :sticktong
denniskee said:by private bus, i think it includes school bus and company bus. imagine a low income malay family (i am not being racist here, i hope you guys understand, malay family is larger than chinese .) with 3-4 kids :sweat: , die man.
also, if the public transport company can give crappy reasons to incerase the fare, why cant the private operator, cant have double std mah.
for those self employed eg food seller, they will increase their price to cope (cant blame them right).
but for those employed, wait long long for pay increase also dont have. why is this so? cause the "drivers" all agree that for singpaore to stay competative, workers salary was to be low.
cant agree on the point where we can afford camera stuff, what is this little fare hike. do you work to live or live to work. do you want at the end of day, when you finally packup and migrate to the "better world", just before boarding, when you look back, dam, you are no different from a donky, or water buffolo?
i think it is not the amount that is the real issue but how do you justify it. If nobody make noise, then bus and mrt will just do it often (ie. ask for fare hike). Even now everyone make noise, it can still be seen that the whole process of passing the proposal on fare hike is still not very transparent.dkw said:If a poor large family struggling to pay bills complains about the hike, I think there is justification and they are deserving of some help. Not necessarily fare control, which is eminently affordable for the majority, but targeted aid for the under-privileged so that they can get along on other fronts as well. For photogs who have invested many hundreds, if not thousands of dollars into their equipment, and then gripe about a few cents of MRT fare increase, is just plain ridiculous. Reminds me of the time during the economic recession when some families were demanding social assistance, and at the same time maintaining a maid at home to the tune of $700-$800 a month. That's public money being used to help someone maintian a cushy lifestyle, not aid for the needy.
Likewise, any fare control will likely in the long run, mean the use of public funds to run the transport system, so that many of the folk here can continue to buy their faster CF card or the latest tripod.
Sorry, no sympathy from me.....
dkw said:Reminds me of the time during the economic recession when some families were demanding social assistance, and at the same time maintaining a maid at home to the tune of $700-$800 a month. That's public money being used to help someone maintian a cushy lifestyle, not aid for the needy.
Sjourn said:Wonder where are the "People's Action", the people already have reaction to the current downturn and now so many price increases, where's the action? We have such a large union also no use...ho-hum...
it's time to move on to greener pastures... :what:
Its unlikely that you'll hear the families/singles at the lowest income level gripe about the fare hike here(perhaps at the kopitiam). I know of them not even having a computer let alone internet connection. Broadband would have been a luxury to them. The pain for them is unavoidable as they are unable to refuse public transport.dkw said:Sorry, no sympathy from me.....
Depends on which area. Part of the reason why everything is so expensive in Japan is because of the protectionist market. We don't, but in those area where we have not open up will likely be that direction.snowspeeder said:I think years ago, our local standard of living was predicted to match those of current Japan in the year 2015 (give and take let's say by 2020). From what I understand in Japan, to take a taxi ride from the Narita airport (Toyko) to the city area (about 40 km) will cost somewhere S$250.00. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's something that not every Jap can also afford even with their higher salaries compared to here. And then there are other expensive stuff there as well.
Are we heading in that inevitable direction?
XXX Boy said:They now encourage employer to give increasement to the employees, but use common sense lo, do you think most employer will give increasement???
Really feel like kena broken one leg by them then they throw a wheel-chair to you!
Hommie said:Its unlikely that you'll hear the families/singles at the lowest income level gripe about the fare hike here(perhaps at the kopitiam). I know of them not even having a computer let alone internet connection. Broadband would have been a luxury to them. The pain for them is unavoidable as they are unable to refuse public transport.
This is not a specifc area of taxation which only effects the rich, like income tax. Or a wide spread Goods and Service Tax which all is effected. Yes, you might say that its a fare hike, not tax. But we have no say in it and with full monopoly of the public transport in Singapore here, it certainly feels like one. The fare hike affects the mid to lowest rung of the society only. The more well-off drives their own vehicles.
The ones that are lest able to withstand a fare increase have to face them alone for their little ones.
Are there concessions for younger student taking private buses to and from school? Perhaps they should teach their kids to take public transport earlier.......
wiki said:I do agree that the increment is not going to make much of diff to most commuters. The increment should be less than $2 /mth for most people.
However what i am piss off is that despite the increment, the standard of bus service has not improve. Bus intervals are irregular, sometimes over 15 minutes if you miss the previous bus. At peak hours buses and trains are over pack and yet you don't the buses comes at a shorter interval.
dkw,dkw said:Hommie,
you and I and the others here discussing nice little luxuries on our broadband computers, like which lens to buy, which destination to got to next, it is OUR responsibility to make sure that those in need (and their little ones) get the help they deserve. Fare control is a ineffective way of helping these people. What next, if HDB raises it rent, utilities charges go up, GST is raised? Complain again? Where is the end? The fact is that these charges are affordable to the majority. Who likes a fare hike? Not me! But these are companies with a bottom line and they need to stay solvent. Their employees also deserve to have salary raises like so many here are clamouring for. Yes, this kind of economic model hurts the poor, but allows the economy as a whole to function more efficiently and grow wealth (or at least not lose it so fast!). It is then imperative (not an option) for the well-off to give back to society. Directed, focused aid is the way. Bashing the companies is just plain misguided.
Hommie said:Perhaps the better economic model is opening up the transport market for the private operator to compete against SBS and SMRT if the public transport are incapable of managing the company efficiently despite being a monopoly. PTC can then setup guidelines and rules to monitor the transport companies' service for the public. Competition would push the public transport companies for better service, or risk to left behind. Wouldn't that be a better option than to give a one off $50 as concession for those poor families?
One of the reason why the private bus operators are increasing their fares is because the limited business in small Singapore "outside of the public transport route". Imagine, just how much is the market for ferrying students from schools and free ferry service to and from shopping malls etc. Beside what make you think that the bus routes are not profitable to open up competition? I have never heard of SBS and Transit operating on loss before. In fact the fare hike would "increase the revenue by $13 million to $14 million each". That is more than the sum of the entire private bus operator's revenue in Singapore(My estimate).Parchiao said:I am not sure if this is feasible. Stiff competition may instead lead to losses, just like MediaWorks and MediaCorp despite public funding from the Media Development Authority. Also, the kind of public transportation system in question here is about fixed routes, not like taxi operators whose taxis can do their business anywhere in the island. This means a higher degree of risk, that if one operator suddenly stops operating, there may not be substitutes that are readily available to fill in the routes of the failed operator. Neither do I think public transport users will choose to take a bus based on the operator, unless one of the operators is really providing very bad service. Furthermore, you have to take into account the financial aspects of competition, it does not look like it is profitable enough to slice up the pie. This is of course a simplistic analysis that is as flawed as any other assumptions posted up here, but I just wanted to provide an alternative view, that competition may not necessarily be good. For a start, what would be more feasible and less drastic is that the public transportation operators be challenged to come up with better models of operations that can compete, to improve upon the efficiency and service standards year after year, yet be able to maintain the pricing for it's services. For instance, set benchmarks to be reached e.g. cleanliness, comfort etc and assessed on additional factors like sustainability etc. Or simply appoint a CEO, board of directors or management team who can make the difference, instead of putting in ex civil servants. Easier said than done, but it is just an alternative to competition.
Hommie said:On your last suggestion of putting a REAL result based CEO or good management team instead of a ex-civil servant to head it is, hahaha the main reason that the garment refuse to open the public transport to private operator! You know, I know can already, hahaha! :bsmilie:
Never happen!