Why the sales of D100

[erwinx]

Originally posted by Watcher
Those want to compare feature toe-to-toe can do so at dpreview where you can select the two cameras to fight it out. Eg D100 has up to ISO1600 and can be pushed to ISO 6400, has self-timers in 2,5,10, 20, EV controls from -5EV to +5EV. Compare these to the D60.

I agree its a good idea to look at dpreview.

Since you mentioned D100's high ISOs, heres a chart comparing d60 / d100 / s2 pro at the different ISOs. Look at the performance of the 3 cameras when RAW files are compared:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujis2pro/page14.asp

If I wanted high ISO performance, D100 would not be my first choice.

If multiple self timers & the ability to have +5 EV compensation are important to you then get D100. If mirror lock-up is important to you, then get D1x or Canon. That was the point of my post. It related to the usefulness of mirror lockup at long focal lengths.

 

[Darren]

Just a note - the Nikon D1x does not have MLU. It has the same Anti-Mirror Shock mode like the D100 which is just moving the mirror up about half-a-second before the shutter trips.

Can't categorically state whether MLU is better than AMSM (Anti-Mirror Shock Mode) as I have used neither.

 

[Watcher]

Originally posted by erwinx


I agree its a good idea to look at dpreview.

Since you mentioned D100's high ISOs, heres a chart comparing d60 / d100 / s2 pro at the different ISOs. Look at the performance of the 3 cameras when RAW files are compared:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujis2pro/page14.asp

If I wanted high ISO performance, D100 would not be my first choice.

If multiple self timers & the ability to have +5 EV compensation are important to you then get D100. If mirror lock-up is important to you, then get D1x or Canon. That was the point of my post. It related to the usefulness of mirror lockup at long focal lengths.

At least the D100 does have the ability. There is even a long-exposure Noise Reduction option. Even if the noise is higher, a little effort to reduce the noise is better than to fix an underexposed picture, right?

The alternative to the MLU on the Canon is to use the AMSM mode like Darren said, if the need arises.

I do agree that each camera has its own pros and cons, strength and weaknesses. That said, you are the one who came to the Nikon Equipment forum to brag about your Canon. Don't you expect a little heat after your waving of the red flag?

Undeniable though, the D60 resale value has dropped significantly considering that the list price is cut US$800, the replacement will be announced in PMA and replacement itself coming out in 2-4 months time. Frankly, I wonder if Canon is going to do the "release and drop" behavior for the new camera. Who is to say that they won't do what they had done (don't produce anymore, cut price and then come up with a new model) with the D60 in one year's time? I could expect that kind of behavior for oh a S$600 camera but for a S$3+k one? Even car models last 1 year. An people complains about a S$200 upgrade for an OS every 2 years!

 

[erwinx]

Originally posted by Watcher

Undeniable though, the D60 resale value has dropped significantly considering that the list price is cut US$800

care to post a link to the source of your info?

 

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Hmm, interesting read. Well, I tend to agree with Jed and Watcher, it is some form of pre-PMA panic selling and that both cameras (D60 and D100) have their own strengths and weaknesses

Here's a PDF review by PP magazine for the D100 if anyone is interested:

D100 review by PP

It is not the most definitive type of review (frankly, what is?) but it does cover some interesting aspects of the D100.

IMO, the S2 Pro may be the clear winner in this three contenders race if it can provide a good power solution like the D60 and D100. As for noise, I can safely say the D100's image is usable all the way up to the highest ISO it offers (ISO 6400) though I can't make direct comparison since the D60 and S2 Pro doesn't have the capability to do so. If one desires lesser noise and more dynamism, ISO 1600 is most definitely a good choice for extreme low light photography.

Now, the one major grip I have about the D60 is its inability to perform up to my expectation in low-light conditions. This is one thing that made be lean towards the D100 during my purchasing test run. One straightforward way to put it is, there really is a significant difference when it comes to low light AF performance of these two dynamos.

All in all, my choice of the D100 can be summarised as:

(1) Its functional flexibility as compared to the other two contenders (ie. more customization, flexible menu) ;

(2) Good AF speed, especially in low light because my kind of work requires shots to be taken in less-than-satisfactory light condition ;

(3) Robust battery life, this thing just keep on going for days or if I shoot less extensively, for weeks ;

(4) I like the shots remaining counter thingy on the top LCD even when it is switched off ;

(5) High ISO performance, it may not be flawless but it does provide a really usable high ISO range that is not even available in other bodies ;

(6) Ability to review my shot instantly (practically no wait, good use of buffer and excellent design IMO) ;

(7) Very flexible zooming methods (scroll zoom or zone zoom) during playback. I use this feature very often, it is crucial in checking if my shots are consistently sharp and in focus.

(8) Ergonomically more comfortable to me vs the D60 and cleaner design vs the S2 Pro (just my own taste and preference here). The buttons layout is just right in place for me.

(9) Nikon's excellence in photography and their support standard/facilities. I have them all marked down in cities I frequent all around the world, just in case.

Ok, one side line is I don't fancy lenses that are non black in color too. I prefer to keep it clean and simple

Frankly, I didn't really encounter any underexposure problem or any significant loss of sharpenss in JPEG eversince I got my camera. Perhaps these are some rumours generated by rivals or when the camera is handled by someone new to photography, speculation but I can assure anyone these ain't true.

Well, to each his own. Each camera has its own merits and gripes, it is up to a person to judge what he/she needs and put the purchase squarely on it.

 

[void]

Maybe I can pick up a D100 cheap after PMA.

 

[sebastiansong]

I don own a DSLR but I am keen to get one

My take on the whole situation

Nothing man made is perfect. Only nature is perfect.

Hence we can and should only realise our weaknesses and capitalise on our strengths.

Its like sports. Some prefer to go the distance while others prefer to sprint. Just because you play golf doesnt make you a wimp or lifting weights make you above others.

That is life.

Let's us all be as academic and practical in our discussion. Beyond a mere intercouse on technical specifications we must realise that cameras are meant to be used and it is in the field that the equipment is tested and evaluated. The harsher the environment the greater the test.

 

[erwinx]

Avatar,

excellent review :thumbsup: put in separate thread?

 

[Avatar]

Originally posted by erwinx
Avatar,

excellent review :thumbsup: put in separate thread?

Nah, just some observations/differences I noticed along the way, it is not fitting to be a review.

 

[nathan]

they coming out a new 35mm CCD. well technology never stop. even my pentium 3 PC get out dated now but still useable.

 

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by NikonianSG
U sure got a lot of 'facts right', tell us wat is true mirror lockup? I very newbie dunno leh! We Know you have the best cam n system in the world ok? IS USM KWANON boleh! satisfied now? Now stop your rambling n get out to shoot your birds kwanon boy. We shortsighted shaky hand idiots who own low class systems without the luxury of godly kwanon technology n produce 1 hair less sharp images have nothing to offer you. Shhoooo shooooo

Flame baiting...

Honestly, grow up. :thumbsd: ;p

This was a simple thread discussing cameras and the pros and cons. I do not see the need to insinuate, use sarcasm and generally be unpleasant about it.

Stop it.

 

[togu]

Originally posted by Wolfgang


Flame baiting...

Honestly, grow up. :thumbsd: ;p

This was a simple thread discussing cameras and the pros and cons. I do not see the need to insinuate, use sarcasm and generally be unpleasant about it.

Stop it.

* togu clap clap clap

Click here!

 

[void]

Yes, I was merely commenting on how everyone seemed to be letting go of their D100s.

(Somehow a really comprehensive review managed to find it's way into here. )

 

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by void
Yes, I was merely commenting on how everyone seemed to be letting go of their D100s.

(Somehow a really comprehensive review managed to find it's way into here. )

Precisely.

So lets just stick to discussing photography and cameras shall we?

Yes, there will always be disagreements and differences in opinions but resorting to flame baiting and name calling doesn't help do anything but reflect upon yourself and the kind of mentality you have.

Move on.

 

[nathan]

I read some where in the web that 35mm film have resolution of 43.8 Mega pixel . is it to early to buy D100 which is 6MP?

 

[Larry]

Originally posted by nathan
I read some where in the web that 35mm film have resolution of 43.8 Mega pixel . is it to early to buy D100 which is 6MP?

fwah where did you read that from?

 

[nathan]

I follow a link from photography forum. can't remember the site.
it further say 3 mega pixel camera is the sum of 3 color that is RGB. so if you take a picture of a pure blue wall. your picture is 1 mega pixel only.the red and green pixel is not activated my blue light. hence,same for a red wall. but if you take a pure white wall the picture is 3 mega pixel. it take 3 color RGB to produce white. same like color tv .

 

[void]

Nathan, I think you're talking about the "true" pixels, like Foveon. Cameras using the Bayer-type sensors (such as the D100) interpolate the sensor data to give you 6 MP.