Why someone buy second hand lens when Grey market almost have same price for new?

[catchlights]

Dont just bind to the diffeence between car and len to argue me, just answer this: A 2ndhand len is as good as brand new one? True or false? Dont tell me that you never buy anything new? How many % of your gear is 2ndhand? Why you need to buy new item if you can buy 2ndhand easily?

Yes I know someone only use car at weekend for family trips, and most of the professional photographer/studio use their len everyday . But does it mean anything?

watch your tone.

a smiley does not change your tone.

 

[Bart Tan]

Relax...

Btw most of my gears 2nd hand. So far so good n the price I bought spend is definitely lower n third party lens normally come with few yrs warranty.

 

[txn929]

watch your tone.

a smiley does not change your tone.

Same tone as you and the other. You can see most of my post were polite, except this thread, because I saw the way you mods answer quite impolite, just list 1,2,3 without say "hi" or start with "I". That why I repeat his style and want to tell you all that, if you respect people, people will respect you, and vice versa.

Is it so hard to be friendly?

 

[daredevil123]

Same tone as you and the other. You can see most of my post were polite, except this thread, because I saw the way you mods answer quite impolite, just list 1,2,3 without say "hi" or start with "I". That why I repeat his style and want to tell you all that, if you respect people, people will respect you, and vice versa.

Is it so hard to be friendly?

When someone replies you using 1, 2, and 3, he is not being inpolite. he is being concise and clear. Octarine is an engineer by training and this is how he responds usually. He and catchlights are the most friendly people I have known personally.

Don't be too sensitive and start responding so negatively. Don't assume.

 

[txn929]

When someone replies you using 1, 2, and 3, he is not being inpolite. he is being concise and clear. Octarine is an engineer by training and this is how he responds usually. He and catchlights are the most friendly people I have known personally.

Don't be too sensitive and start responding so negatively. Don't assume.

Did I respond negatively?
Im engineer as well, but never seen any engineers respond in such way in my environment (they always target people first - not like a boss throw an order).

The way you treat people is the way people treat you. So why they complain?

Anyway, this thread is to discuss about lens.

 

[daredevil123]

Same tone as you and the other. You can see most of my post were polite, except this thread, because I saw the way you mods answer quite impolite, just list 1,2,3 without say "hi" or start with "I". That why I repeat his style and want to tell you all that, if you respect people, people will respect you, and vice versa.

Is it so hard to be friendly?

Did I respond negatively?
Im engineer as well, but never seen any engineers respond in such way in my environment (they always target people first - not like a boss throw an order).

The way you treat people is the way people treat you. So why they complain?

Anyway, this thread is to discuss about lens.

You just told us you responded negatively... your own words...

You must work in a very nice environment. I was an engineer myself and I have worked in very very harsh environment both in SG, and in Silicon Valley

 

[daredevil123]

And I do not find catchlights' or Octarine's responses to be inpolite in anyway. Text is just text. Don't over read into them.

 

[txn929]

You just told us you responded negatively... your own words...

You must work in a very nice environment. I was an engineer myself and I have worked in very very harsh environment both in SG, and in Silicon Valley

I just say I respond the same way as them.
You dont see them negatively because you know them in person, but most of cs member dont know.
How you feel about my post is how I feel about theirs.

I dont have chance to work in Silicon, but if what you said is true, then MOM and IDA are nice environments.

 

[txn929]

And I do not find catchlights' or Octarine's responses to be inpolite in anyway. Text is just text. Don't over read into them.

Text is just text, so why you talk to me about all of this? Why I need to watch my tone? You argue yourself.

 

[Octarine]

Let me answer a few of your points.

A 2ndhand len is as good as brand new one? True or false?

My answer is: Yes, this is very well possible.

Dont tell me that you never buy anything new? How many % of your gear is 2ndhand?

Most of my recent equipment is second hand. The fact that I have not encountered any issue with it supports the first statement.
I did have issues with two lenses - both were purchased earlier, both brand new.

So what is your point now? Just being right for the sake of being right? You will excuse but that's not a photographic topic.
With regards to footworn: if you are not a native speaker of English you should be careful in using idioms; especially when people try to tell you that it might be wrong here. Point closed.

Do you have any more points about the initial topic? I would prefer returning to it and work on facts. Please leave everything else out.

 

[txn929]

Let me answer a few of your points.

My answer is: Yes, this is very well possible.

Most of my recent equipment is second hand. The fact that I have not encountered any issue with it supports the first statement.
I did have issues with two lenses - both were purchased earlier, both brand new.

So what is your point now? Just being right for the sake of being right? You will excuse but that's not a photographic topic.
With regards to footworn: if you are not a native speaker of English you should be careful in using idioms; especially when people try to tell you that it might be wrong here. Point closed.

Do you have any more points about the initial topic? I would prefer returning to it and work on facts. Please leave everything else out.

Behind the screen and keyboard, me and you can say whatever without evidence.
Anyway, Im not interested with you all anymore. Arrogant and not friendly.

My advice: Be modest, people will respect you more.

And dont need to quote, I will not reply. CS is not a good place to learn photography, but for classifieds, if you guys still act like that.

 

[zaren]

Behind the screen and keyboard, me and you can say whatever without evidence.
Anyway, Im not interested with you all anymore. Arrogant and not friendly.

My advice: Be modest, people will respect you more.

And dont need to quote, I will not reply. CS is not a good place to learn photography, but for classifieds, if you guys still act like that.

CS not a good place to learn photography? Mods being arrogant?
Take a look at your own thread http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1366781&p=8759055#post8759055
and see how polite and helpful Catchlights had been to you.

Take a good look at your own attitude and behaviour before trying to stir up trouble. People will respect you more.

Infraction served.

 

[txn929]

CS not a good place to learn photography? Mods being arrogant?
Take a look at your own thread http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1366781&p=8759055#post8759055
and see how polite and helpful Catchlights had been to you.

Take a good look at your own attitude and behaviour before trying to stir up trouble. People will respect you more.

Infraction served.

If you say so, then please also take a look in the SAME thread to see how polite I was when I ask a question, and when I say thanks to people answer it?

I didnt post much, but you can see my other posts also polite. People deal with me (and those missed the deal) always said I'm kind person, because of my reputation (never cancel the reserve even have better offers, always inform by sms to ppl missed the reserve in the most polite way...).

I even sms to a guy in a WTB thread to inform him that his price is nearly meet the brand new price. He thanked me a lot.

I even redued 30% the agreed price of an item when the buyer said he came from Malay and buy item for his mother.

Does it mean anything to you? Or you will say same as them that "all people need to pay for lesson" (see other thread by me)? It's not kind behavior in a good country like Singapore.

You said I make trouble, so what is it? I just discussed, and if you dont want to talk, just ignore. But you all want to win, and finally come out that Im a trouble maker

Again, you polite to people, people polite to you.

I even received a warning for this, it's ok because here's your home, and your mods are landlords.

I didnt see any problem with my post UNTIL you guys come together and judge it .

Look how fair you are. I have nothing to say since you all know each other.

Do whatever you can do.

 

[zaren]

If you say so, then please also take a look in the SAME thread to see how polite I was when I ask a question, and when I say thanks to people answer it?

I didnt post much, but you can see my other posts also polite. People deal with me (and those missed the deal) always said I'm kind person, because of my reputation (never cancel the reserve even have better offers, always inform by sms to ppl missed the reserve in the most polite way...).

I even sms to a guy in a WTB thread to inform him that his price is nearly meet the brand new price. He thanked me a lot.

I even redued 30% the agreed price of an item when the buyer said he came from Malay and buy item for his mother.

Does it mean anything to you? Or you will say same as them that "all people need to pay for lesson" (see other thread by me)? It's not kind behavior in a good country like Singapore.

You said I make trouble, so what is it? I just discussed, and if you dont want to talk, just ignore. But you all want to win, and finally come out that Im a trouble maker

Again, you polite to people, people polite to you.

I even received a warning for this, it's ok because here's your home, and your mods are landlords.

I didnt see any problem with my post UNTIL you guys come together and judge it .

Look how fair you are. I have nothing to say since you all know each other.

Do whatever you can do.

glad to hear that all your other threads have been polite. that is what we like to see in CS.

keeping an eye on posts and conduct in CS is our job as mods.

now that some civility has returned to the thread, let constructive discussion of the topic continue.

thank you.

 

[daredevil123]

If you say so, then please also take a look in the SAME thread to see how polite I was when I ask a question, and when I say thanks to people answer it?

I didnt post much, but you can see my other posts also polite. People deal with me (and those missed the deal) always said I'm kind person, because of my reputation (never cancel the reserve even have better offers, always inform by sms to ppl missed the reserve in the most polite way...).

I even sms to a guy in a WTB thread to inform him that his price is nearly meet the brand new price. He thanked me a lot.

I even redued 30% the agreed price of an item when the buyer said he came from Malay and buy item for his mother.

Does it mean anything to you? Or you will say same as them that "all people need to pay for lesson" (see other thread by me)? It's not kind behavior in a good country like Singapore.

You said I make trouble, so what is it? I just discussed, and if you dont want to talk, just ignore. But you all want to win, and finally come out that Im a trouble maker

Again, you polite to people, people polite to you.

I even received a warning for this, it's ok because here's your home, and your mods are landlords.

I didnt see any problem with my post UNTIL you guys come together and judge it .

Look how fair you are. I have nothing to say since you all know each other.

Do whatever you can do.

Please do not make assumptions and accusations at the mod community. There are many mods who do not know each other nor have seen each other. And mods are not landlords here. We are just volunteers getting nothing in return. There are only a few owners of ClubSNAP and none of them are mods. So please do not make false accusations you have no evidence of backing up with.

Infraction served for false accusations against the mod community.

The world does not revolve around you. What you think is ok or not ok on your own is your own problem. Mods are recruited by the Admins from all walks of life with different characters. And when more than one of them find your attitude lacking, I tend to believe them more than just you. If you do not like ClubSNAP, you can leave.

 

[nightwolf75]

If you say so, then please also take a look in the SAME thread to see how polite I was when I ask a question, and when I say thanks to people answer it?

I didnt post much, but you can see my other posts also polite. People deal with me (and those missed the deal) always said I'm kind person, because of my reputation (never cancel the reserve even have better offers, always inform by sms to ppl missed the reserve in the most polite way...).

I even sms to a guy in a WTB thread to inform him that his price is nearly meet the brand new price. He thanked me a lot.

I even redued 30% the agreed price of an item when the buyer said he came from Malay and buy item for his mother.

Does it mean anything to you? Or you will say same as them that "all people need to pay for lesson" (see other thread by me)? It's not kind behavior in a good country like Singapore.

You said I make trouble, so what is it? I just discussed, and if you dont want to talk, just ignore. But you all want to win, and finally come out that Im a trouble maker

Again, you polite to people, people polite to you.

I even received a warning for this, it's ok because here's your home, and your mods are landlords.

I didnt see any problem with my post UNTIL you guys come together and judge it .

Look how fair you are. I have nothing to say since you all know each other.

Do whatever you can do.

since you said we can do whatever we want... goodbye. take your conspiracy theories elsewhere where the audience is more sympathetic.

thread closed.