Why so many people are selling their 17-55 DX at Buy/Sell Now?

[Tetrode]

if im not wrong, whether FF or DX, Nikon seems to be doing away with aperture rings. the "G" lenses have become more common in recent offerings, even "pro" lens - 70-200mm.

Nikon never state reasons. but probably due to considerations like:

1. simplicity - less moving parts
2. weather-sealing - aperture ring creates "gaps" in the lens structure
3. compactness - with AF-S and VR and what not, maybe Nikon has decided to do away with the aperture ring:

Points 1. and 2. seem plausible but nAi, Ai, Ai-S and AF-D lenses have been around so long and the problem of mechanical failure and weather sealing haven't been major problems. Otherwise, there would have been many people complaining about them. Remember, nAi lenses were used in many wars, the most notable being the Vietnam conflict - a war fought in the hot, steamy and wet (sounds like a porn advert eh?) jungles of that country. If there were any issues with weather sealing, it would have come up by now and been resolved.

WRT to point 3.
If you have noticed, if anything, the new G lenses are even larger than the ones they replace. e.g. 105 VR

Also The 70-200VR may be slimmer but it is longer than the 80-200 AFS it replaces. And definately larger than the 80-200AFD.

I've said this b4, it is not because of technical issues that an aperture ring cannot be retained. Case in point - the 80-400 VR has an aperture ring. To include an AFS motor as well would be a non-issue as the ring structure of an the SWM can be made to fit the barrel.

Rather, it is more to do with marketing strategy. Like Canon, Nikon is forcing users to buy their new lenses by removing total backward compatibility. There was a very healthy market for their used lenses until this happened.

im not a fan of "G" lenses, i cant use these with my FM2, but for what it's worth Nikon seems to be catering to the lens market, ie. on-body aperture control. so there's pretty much nothing we can do.

Since this thread OT already, let me put in my 2 cents worth.

You are right - unless everyone boycotts their new lenses and demands they return to making lenses with aperture rings - ain't gonna happen unfortunately.

As for the FF vs. DX debate, both have their pros and cons? i don't see why "Nikon must/should give us FF". it will come when Nikon's decided that it should come. right now, i think what we want more (if im not wrong) is quality, not size of sensor.
read: better noise control at higher ISO, better RAW compression, faster processing throughput.:

Whether it is introduced will be determined by market forces.

given current technology, the above seems easier to achieve than FF. yes, many are not satisfied with DX, but who's to say FF won't give us a new truckload of problems? :dunno:

Perhaps a new FF dSLR might give problems, every new product has bugs to be ironed out. But I don't forsee major problems. Nikon has the mistakes that Kodak and Canon made with their FF implementations to thank for that.

 

[Azure]

I see quite a lot of D200s getting dumped in B&S also.

 

[westwest1]

I see quite a lot of D200s getting dumped in B&S also.

and the prices are dropping like crazy...cheaper then D80 sometime...

 

[Lmodel]

and the prices are dropping like crazy...cheaper then D80 sometime...

Dun worry. Its a common trend. You see lots of 1D MkII on sale for now as well.

Everyone juz got a big fat bonus and would like to contribute to the GDP growth.

:bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

 

[surge]

how many ppl actually uses film anymore?

almost all the new lens are G lens cos there isnt much of a market anymore for a aperture ring.

given the same lens design has 2 versions- w ans w/o the aperture ring but you have to pay more cos of the ring, how many ppl will pay more for it?

my bet is most of e user in this forum don even know that lens are suppose to have aperture ring. when i first try photography, i was surprise to realise canon lens don have aperture ring. no almost all brands make lens without it.

there will be ppl who still prefer it, but the number is just too small.

 

[Ansel]

Wah....when FF comes out, all my DX lenses will be totally obsolete, they will all suddenly become paper weights, useless, just like when the Japanese Occupation ended, all our banana money suddenly became toilet paper. :cry: :bheart:

I better quickly lelong them off now. Hopefully some suckers or those who treasure nostalgia will pick them up and one day they might still use them on their vintage DX DSLRs that they pick up from Sungei Road. :think:

Let's all abandon the DX ship.....FF is coming!!!!! FF is coming!!!

 

[lsisaxon]

how many ppl actually uses film anymore?

almost all the new lens are G lens cos there isnt much of a market anymore for a aperture ring.

given the same lens design has 2 versions- w ans w/o the aperture ring but you have to pay more cos of the ring, how many ppl will pay more for it?

my bet is most of e user in this forum don even know that lens are suppose to have aperture ring. when i first try photography, i was surprise to realise canon lens don have aperture ring. no almost all brands make lens without it.

there will be ppl who still prefer it, but the number is just too small.

For Canon, because EF and FD are not compatible anyway, why would you want an aperture ring on EF lenses?

For Nikon it's different. You can still fit lenses onto the old bodies. There are still people with FM2, F3, F4 where you need an aperture ring to function or in the case of the F4, if you want to be able to control the aperture (you can still use P and S mode). It makes sense for DX lenses to be G lenses also because you would not want to use them on film anyway.

But for the case of Micro 105VR and 70-200VR, unless the VR mechanism has restricted the placement of an aperture ring, otherwise, I feel that these lenses should at least have an aperture ring because then it can be compatible with the older bodies. Maybe Nikon thought that since people bought VR, then only the newer bodies would be able to utilize it anyway, no point having an aperture ring?

 

[kzone]

The selling momentum is still going strong... really very tempting to put in a bid for this lense.. how do u guys treat or slow down the bbb virus? A voice in me keep on saying better grab it now b4 the sales frenzy stop & I have to get it new next time...

 

[mcn]

tell you

there's no cure

succumb to you temptation

listen to your inner voice

AND BUY !

The selling momentum is still going strong... really very tempting to put in a bid for this lense.. how do u guys treat or slow down the bbb virus? A voice in me keep on saying better grab it now b4 the sales frenzy stop & I have to get it new next time...

 

[acerpic]

The selling momentum is still going strong... really very tempting to put in a bid for this lense.. how do u guys treat or slow down the bbb virus? A voice in me keep on saying better grab it now b4 the sales frenzy stop & I have to get it new next time...

Ask yourself wat photos you always take and wat is the best focal range for taking that kind of photo. Get the best lens you can afford.