Why is Canon so quiet?
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raydio
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Maybe Nikon will buy Canon !
Perhaps the new company will become, "Nikcan" or "Canikon".
I'd actually prefer either Cankon or Niknon, bloody tongue-twister lol.
Is having a new camera so important? Is there something that is lacking in the current Cameras? I think we should just spend out time perfecting our skills in photography.
Well-said. Seriously, after Canon released their cams back in 2009 onwards, I don't really look forward to anything much nowadays. 63 focusing points? I only ever use 1. 7 frames per sec? I don't need anything more than 1, or at most 4fps is good enough for me. Present day mid-ranged Canon models can already do 7fps. That's still not good enough? Wi-Fi? Haven't needed it at all. There are already a few Canon DSLR models with this function anyway.
Megapixels-wise, 18 to 21MP is already a lot and serves the needs of many photographers I believe. Even some pros I know intentionally downsize the resolution while working. Any more megapixels required, I think you should look towards more expensive MF cams which are in every way better than the best present day DSLRs in terms of resolution.
Less noise at high ISO? Yes, this is the one to look out for. Probably one of the most looked to features in any new model released. But if we think carefully, camera companies have made tremendous progress in this aspect. If you guys have used DSLRs back in 2003 or so, you will appreciate how much the improvement has been compared to what we have today. And those of you who have used film cameras last time, you will know what a BIG BIG pain "changing ISO" means! It's not just the push of a button!
Lenses? I think Canon is one company that has produced many excellent ones. I can't think of wanting even better ones. Not for now, at least. Even if there isn't one available, there are many 3rd party companies which produce excellent lenses.
And there are tons of functions in the camera menu I don't even touch or know what they do. Simply because I don't need to use them.
Where I think Canon (and other manufacturers) should be heading is making their cameras more and more affordable. Eg, entry level DSLR bodies costing $500-600, etc, which was the price of basic film SLRs in the past. But this will not affect those of us who already own our Canon cameras. It doesn't also help us take better pictures. It will help and attract new buyers and hopefully open up the photography hobby to more people, eg students.
Ha ha, well said. But like that Canon can close shop.
rhino123
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Is having a new camera so important? Is there something that is lacking in the current Cameras? I think we should just spend out time perfecting our skills in photography.
Nope having a new camera to many of us is not that important, but having a new camera for new user is important. Why would a new user want to get an inferior camera when they could get one with newer technology?
I will get a camera that suits my needs and is cheaper.
rhino123
Senior Member
That is you and not the bulk of new customers. In actuality, a Canon 350D suits many user even up till now, but I still see people going for bigger and better stuff. Or a G16 is good enough for most people, but I see people going for RX100 or G1XmkII. So that is the trend of thing, come up with new stuff and attract would be customers, or slowly go down the road of Kodak.
Also... if companies are to function as you mentioned "Get a camera that suits my needs and is cheaper." then they didn't even need to upgrade from the first digital DSLR because it served the needs of photographers back then... not much had change and so it is still valid till now 2014. But I am seeing companies updating, upgrading, coming up with new stuff every year or even every few months and that is the beauty of competition.
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My wife has more than enough handbags than she ever needs but still continue to buy as new model comes on line. :bsmilie:
Consumer buying behaviour is complex and many factors come into play, buying power, peer pressure, status, for example
So Canon or any companies has no choice but continue to innovate and introduce incremental improvement.
Just my 2cents opinion
Consumer buying behaviour is complex and many factors come into play, buying power, peer pressure, status, for example
So Canon or any companies has no choice but continue to innovate and introduce incremental improvement.
Just my 2cents opinion
denzelwng4
New Member
Is having a new camera so important? Is there something that is lacking in the current Cameras? I think we should just spend out time perfecting our skills in photography.
totally agree on this...
if they are so quite, meaning - they have produced a good and competitive camera,
Nope. Why would Canon need to close shop? R&D will definitely still continue. I'm not saying there won't be newer stuffs coming out. Maybe in 10 years' time, for eg, ISO1600 may be as good as ISO400 now? Maybe we'll have cameras that are slimmer and lighter weight?
But rather than lament or constantly look forward for new gadgets, why not think rather how to take better pictures? Why not challenge oneself to up the skill one notch more? To me, all the lenses and camera bodies that Canon has been producing are there already.
The question really lies in the photographer (or rather, camera collector!). Not so much in when is Canon coming up with this or that new model. Like I said, after 2009, I find the new camera models that have been coming out do not play any significant role in improving my pictures. It's me that's the difference.
But then again, I must admit in today's context, a camera is not just to take good pictures. It has become like a social status, a collector's item, or just a buy-and-sell gadget at will. Very much like upgrading of mobile phones, computers and other tech gadgets. Nobody really cares if one can take good pictures with the $4,000 camera body and $2,000 lens. Limpeh got money can buy! So what?!
Nope. Why would Canon need to close shop? R&D will definitely still continue. I'm not saying there won't be newer stuffs coming out. Maybe in 10 years' time, for eg, ISO1600 may be as good as ISO400 now? Maybe we'll have cameras that are slimmer and lighter weight?
But rather than lament or constantly look forward for new gadgets, why not think rather how to take better pictures? Why not challenge oneself to up the skill one notch more? To me, all the lenses and camera bodies that Canon has been producing are there already.
The question really lies in the photographer (or rather, camera collector!). Not so much in when is Canon coming up with this or that new model. Like I said, after 2009, I find the new camera models that have been coming out do not play any significant role in improving my pictures. It's me that's the difference.
But then again, I must admit in today's context, a camera is not just to take good pictures. It has become like a social status, a collector's item, or just a buy-and-sell gadget at will. Very much like upgrading of mobile phones, computers and other tech gadgets. Nobody really cares if one can take good pictures with the $4,000 camera body and $2,000 lens. Limpeh got money can buy! So what?!
I think you got the answer. :bsmilie: Canon is so quiet because it want us to up our skill one more notch! :thumbsup:
JJFAM
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Quiet...it could be "Calm before a Storm" who knows?!
Every tech-companies must continue to innovate to survive, otherwise gone were the days like NOKIA and MOTOROLA. It's a vicious cycle.
Likewise Canon can't hold on too long on the same product range to survive the next decades. They need consumers to buy their products. To sell, they must come up with new ideas with break through technologies. Majority of the consumers will look for new gadgets, yeah...it's the hard truth. Period.
For this discussion, if you mix pro-summers POV with con-summers POV, you are going nowhere. The discussions surround too many perspectives, and unlikely a right or a wrong. ;p
Hehehe...layman: Argue until cow go home still going nowhere.
Every tech-companies must continue to innovate to survive, otherwise gone were the days like NOKIA and MOTOROLA. It's a vicious cycle.
Likewise Canon can't hold on too long on the same product range to survive the next decades. They need consumers to buy their products. To sell, they must come up with new ideas with break through technologies. Majority of the consumers will look for new gadgets, yeah...it's the hard truth. Period.
For this discussion, if you mix pro-summers POV with con-summers POV, you are going nowhere. The discussions surround too many perspectives, and unlikely a right or a wrong. ;p
Hehehe...layman: Argue until cow go home still going nowhere.
I would say let the upgrade be a real upgrade and not like what all the makers are doing these days. Increase megapixel, new model. Add more AF points new model, add a new high res LCD screen new model, increase shooting frames per second, new model. In my opinion, such "upgrades" will not make any difference to the picture taken. 5D2 --> 5D3 real upgrade. 650D --> 700D lame upgrade.
I will rather wait 10 years for a real upgrade, then to wait 10mths for something lame.
I will rather wait 10 years for a real upgrade, then to wait 10mths for something lame.
rhino123
Senior Member
Quiet...it could be "Calm before a Storm" who knows?!
Every tech-companies must continue to innovate to survive, otherwise gone were the days like NOKIA and MOTOROLA. It's a vicious cycle.
Likewise Canon can't hold on too long on the same product range to survive the next decades. They need consumers to buy their products. To sell, they must come up with new ideas with break through technologies. Majority of the consumers will look for new gadgets, yeah...it's the hard truth. Period.
For this discussion, if you mix pro-summers POV with con-summers POV, you are going nowhere. The discussions surround too many perspectives, and unlikely a right or a wrong. ;p
Hehehe...layman: Argue until cow go home still going nowhere.
Agreed with what both of you had mentioned... the thing is, like I mentioned before, most people like yourself and myself will not go around buying newly introduced products with minimal upgrades or just frankly repackage of an old product. We get what we need and we stick with that till our equipment died or was no longer valid or could do the job we wanted.
However, we as photographer (at least you as photographers) are different from the point of view of a company. A company cannot take their own sweet time to do R&D (like say, 10 years) then introduce a really super product... that doesn't work. The life cycle of a product is getting shorter... mobile phone market is a good example, in the past, each company could spend one to two years to introduce a new phone to the market. Look at what is happening now... and can the old Samsung Note 1 still be used nowadays? Sure it can... but already Note 4 is coming out. What is the different? Not much.
As for Canon... sure... 5DmkIII is a great product, and I can see that it can be valid for years to come. But come D810, was it a major improvement over the Nikon D800 and a massive improvement over 5DmkIII? I would say... nope. But in the mind of people who is upgrading or getting a FF now, it is a newer product and new means better (sad, is this world, but that is how things work).
And is the Canon EOS 70D, still a valid product? Sure it is. Is the Canon EOS 700D or 650D a valid and great product, sure they are. But look at how many people cooing over newer products like Sony's A6000 and Nikon D5300, etc, etc. Are these competitors coming out with sooo much better products, I don't think so. But the thing is... these products are newer and new means better.
Sooo... all I can say now is... welcome to the age of consumer electronic, where newer equipments means better equipments (wrong conception, but valid).
JJFAM
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Nowadays, whoever is the trend-setter...WIN. Consumers are pruned and curious towards new gadgets.
Likewise what rhino123 pointed out, many consumers think "NEW" is good, regardless what is really "NEW" inside.
Kinda stupid to buy a "NEW" gadget with minimum twigs inside. Apparently this is the trend,
if the tech-companies don't follow they will not survive.
Ironically...Motorola once thought their SIX SIGMA quality standard is good for their products, can last 10-yrs.
They never though this; Who wants a mobile phone to last 10yrs. hehehe :bsmilie:
Likewise what rhino123 pointed out, many consumers think "NEW" is good, regardless what is really "NEW" inside.
Kinda stupid to buy a "NEW" gadget with minimum twigs inside. Apparently this is the trend,
if the tech-companies don't follow they will not survive.
Ironically...Motorola once thought their SIX SIGMA quality standard is good for their products, can last 10-yrs.
They never though this; Who wants a mobile phone to last 10yrs. hehehe :bsmilie:
rhino123
Senior Member
According to Canonrumor, 7DmkII might be release or announced in September.
http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/07/eos-7d-replacement-telephoto-lens-in-september-cr3/
It better be worth the wait... after all it had been ages. My old 7D seemed to be showing some problem liao. But I still love her. Will wait for the 7DmkII to see how much of a difference will it be. I hope it will be a 5DmkIII to a 5DmkII and not a 700D to a 650D.
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