WHATS NEXT FOR M43, after Olympus, what future is left?
Yep, Craig is aware of the shortcomings of larger format cameras when it comes to Zooms and that is why he is still keeping a Olympus.
So he did not really say Goodbye to Olympus, but just trying to venture into a new system and being a youtuber, probably trying to garner more audience from another group of camera users.
It is pretty obvious, as most of the points he raised are available on the OM-1 except for the 40mp.
But he also mentioned that using the Fujifilm to shoot 1000s of photos for events etc can be a pain if you are using a 40mp.
I spoke to Olympus a few years back when they are still around on why they do not update their lens with features like IS etc,
and their reply is "it is not necessary for lenses less than 300mm because their IBIS is so good (also mentioned by Craig).
Doing so will increase the price and the weight of their lenses, so Olympus will only include it in their longer teles.
So he did not really say Goodbye to Olympus, but just trying to venture into a new system and being a youtuber, probably trying to garner more audience from another group of camera users.
It is pretty obvious, as most of the points he raised are available on the OM-1 except for the 40mp.
But he also mentioned that using the Fujifilm to shoot 1000s of photos for events etc can be a pain if you are using a 40mp.
I spoke to Olympus a few years back when they are still around on why they do not update their lens with features like IS etc,
and their reply is "it is not necessary for lenses less than 300mm because their IBIS is so good (also mentioned by Craig).
Doing so will increase the price and the weight of their lenses, so Olympus will only include it in their longer teles.
JW73
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Don’t know who this Craig was until now.
After awhile i bet he will go back fully to m43.
The points he mentioned on Fuji will not make his photos better or improvement anyway vs M43 system. Buy a 40Mp sensor to crop, to me is a waste of money. And means he do not need the 40MP actually.
The fuji retro dials on XT/Xpro/XE series actually will slow one down. (can be advantage to landscape photoG or someone want to slow down)
The XH series are more geared to the modern handling.
After awhile i bet he will go back fully to m43.
The points he mentioned on Fuji will not make his photos better or improvement anyway vs M43 system. Buy a 40Mp sensor to crop, to me is a waste of money. And means he do not need the 40MP actually.
The fuji retro dials on XT/Xpro/XE series actually will slow one down. (can be advantage to landscape photoG or someone want to slow down)
The XH series are more geared to the modern handling.
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Fujifilm X-h2 and the X-t5 has a built in crop mode to change the focal multiplier to 2x like M43.
What Craig did not mention is that after using this mode, his 40mp image becomes 10mp !!!!
(which is half of his Olympus 20mp).
The calculations are here
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What Craig did not mention is that after using this mode, his 40mp image becomes 10mp !!!!
(which is half of his Olympus 20mp).
The calculations are here
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It is for the same reason why Sony FF owners seldom use APS lenses or turn on the crop mode.
The 33mp on a Sony IV will drop to 12mp when we use APS lenses or turn on the crop mode.
While 20mp on my OM-1 is sufficient for me to crop away some edges or do perspective adjustment during post processing,
10mp left on the Fuji XT5 or 12mp Sony A7IV after using crop mode is too low for me and probably most photographers.
The 33mp on a Sony IV will drop to 12mp when we use APS lenses or turn on the crop mode.
While 20mp on my OM-1 is sufficient for me to crop away some edges or do perspective adjustment during post processing,
10mp left on the Fuji XT5 or 12mp Sony A7IV after using crop mode is too low for me and probably most photographers.
one eye jack
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Let's take an objective look at Fujifilm xt5. Price wise it is way cheaper than canon or Sony not to mention size and weight. Take note xh2 has same 40.2 sensor as xt5 and also the flagship now.
Being an apsc sensor at 40.2 mp.
it competes fairly well with fullframe and dynamic range but of course at high iso it lags behind as usual but typically you would not go to extreme iso either. Auto focus is also comparable but the surprising thing is fuji is not as sharp compared to fullframe ( slanted lens video ) as the autofocus seem to differ in performance but that is pixel peeping but overall it's colour is close to medium format hasselblad meaning good. So it is pro camera performance.
Another comparison xt5 to fullframe.
Being an apsc sensor at 40.2 mp.
it competes fairly well with fullframe and dynamic range but of course at high iso it lags behind as usual but typically you would not go to extreme iso either. Auto focus is also comparable but the surprising thing is fuji is not as sharp compared to fullframe ( slanted lens video ) as the autofocus seem to differ in performance but that is pixel peeping but overall it's colour is close to medium format hasselblad meaning good. So it is pro camera performance.
Another comparison xt5 to fullframe.
I am not sure if this is a good comparison as Canon and Fuji are using original manufactuer's lenses
while the Sony is using a third party lenses. Should have tested the Sony A7 IV with a Sony GM 85mm.
Also, the test will probably offer a better comparison if we can test each of the camera with the same 3rd party lenses.
while the Sony is using a third party lenses. Should have tested the Sony A7 IV with a Sony GM 85mm.
Also, the test will probably offer a better comparison if we can test each of the camera with the same 3rd party lenses.
Ultimately, it is a matter of what the competitors can offer. Progress over a long period of time is inevitable.
Thus if a sensor format (MFT) is hobbled with an uncrossable barrier, it will lose out.
Like a dwarf that can only grow up to a certain height and remain that way for life.
Above are my observations.
Camera Zone says something about MFT in this video.
They got a point about manufacturers' unwillingness to invest vast amounts of money to develop MFT further.
It is business. They need to justify the ROI.
Thus if a sensor format (MFT) is hobbled with an uncrossable barrier, it will lose out.
Like a dwarf that can only grow up to a certain height and remain that way for life.
Above are my observations.
Camera Zone says something about MFT in this video.
They got a point about manufacturers' unwillingness to invest vast amounts of money to develop MFT further.
It is business. They need to justify the ROI.
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one eye jack
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@ricohflex, you lose credibility by using camera zone channel which is nothing more than a parot using bits of video , info from other sources and clickbait titles. Your don't even see the creator of the channel. This is not original content as well. If over 4 days ago it uses old models for illustrations when there are new and latest, he obviously does not want to get into copyright problems and thus credibility issues. Let me say that your thoughts create your reality so if your thoughts are "stronger" than the rest of people not to see the demise of Olympus then guess whose reality prevails?
one eye jack
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@Pitachu, here you go although no mention of what lenses used to compare with canon. Pixel peeping @6:10 and @12:10 xh2 is not exactly small ( relatively to his hands ).
XH2 comparison with Sony a7mk4. XH2 is more demanding of lenses because it is a smaller sensor and pixel density like Olympus. Feature for feature.
XH2 comparison with Sony a7mk4. XH2 is more demanding of lenses because it is a smaller sensor and pixel density like Olympus. Feature for feature.
one eye jack
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High iso xt5 Vs Sony a7mk4 pixel peep.
one eye jack
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Fuji 26mp Vs 40mp. Cropping @7:30.
Print comparison of both resolution.
Print comparison of both resolution.
If you notice, Full Frame Manufacturers keep increasing the resolution of their sensors and keep wooing Full Frames users to upgrade.
Just look at Sony A7R series and Fujifilm XT series and you will know what I mean.
They never talk about the cost and weight of their tele lenses (eg. 600 mm @F4 costing more than US$12000!) etc.
Anyone needing high resolution etc can go for those models, especially if they do not have a need for large telephoto lenses.
Just had coffee with a friend and he also commented on the 60mp of the Sony A7R V. He said the files are just too big to handle!!!!
He need to shoot in RAW and wished there is a function to shoot at a lower resolution in RAW.
So it all depends on the photographer needs. It does not matter what the competition offer.
What matter is whether the competitors can offer features which I need.
And in honesty, the features of M43 suits me much better.
I do not know whether M43 will survive after a couple of years, I sure hope it does.
But I know that these few years while it is still around, it is still my camera of choice.
Just look at Sony A7R series and Fujifilm XT series and you will know what I mean.
They never talk about the cost and weight of their tele lenses (eg. 600 mm @F4 costing more than US$12000!) etc.
Anyone needing high resolution etc can go for those models, especially if they do not have a need for large telephoto lenses.
Just had coffee with a friend and he also commented on the 60mp of the Sony A7R V. He said the files are just too big to handle!!!!
He need to shoot in RAW and wished there is a function to shoot at a lower resolution in RAW.
So it all depends on the photographer needs. It does not matter what the competition offer.
What matter is whether the competitors can offer features which I need.
And in honesty, the features of M43 suits me much better.
I do not know whether M43 will survive after a couple of years, I sure hope it does.
But I know that these few years while it is still around, it is still my camera of choice.
one eye jack
Senior Member
@Pitachu, true choose a camera that best fit your needs. There is no perfect camera or rather manufacturers try to offer features that competitors have and do better. Like in engineering terms everything is a compromise. For instance Fuji xh2 in matching canon 8k video unfortunately Fuji processor is not powerful enough to avoid rolling shutter and hence for moving subjects there is the skewed jello effect. It also try to take on Panasonic by having multiple video codecs which is good. Then Fuji offers the xh2s that is equivalent to Sony a7s series for video centric use at 26mp. Kudos to Fuji to attempt taking on the big boys.
At least Fuji offers value for money but to make their Xh series flagship cameras compete seriously they need to design lenses that can resolve 40mp and that will take some time to be realised. I can see Fuji will be successful in this regard. More competition is good for consumers. Plus 3rd. party lens makers will also do their best.
As for your friend , only canon offers different raw file sizes to suit users needs and memory storage.
Finally , At 40mp apsc crop factor it is a boon to wildlife and action photographers as cropping is standard for editing and with AI noise reduction software Fuji cameras make it easier and viable for acceptable image quality even at high iso.
At least Fuji offers value for money but to make their Xh series flagship cameras compete seriously they need to design lenses that can resolve 40mp and that will take some time to be realised. I can see Fuji will be successful in this regard. More competition is good for consumers. Plus 3rd. party lens makers will also do their best.
As for your friend , only canon offers different raw file sizes to suit users needs and memory storage.
Finally , At 40mp apsc crop factor it is a boon to wildlife and action photographers as cropping is standard for editing and with AI noise reduction software Fuji cameras make it easier and viable for acceptable image quality even at high iso.
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one eye jack
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For completeness, Toneh man's take on Fuji xh2s 26mp Vs m43 Panasonic gh6 26mp 
JW73
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In 2020 someone had insisted
- m43 will be dead in 2021 and people will sell / throw their m43 gear dirt cheap. (since then i have bought and sold m43 at a good /reasonable price until now)
m43 mount has been around since the DSLR mount days and most DSLR mount brands have moved to their respective mirrorless mount and they already abandon their dslr mount system. The idea of adapting the old dslr mount to new mirrorless mount will end as they crippled the technology when using the old lens mount. These manufacturers are looking for new sales.To me m43 is still relevant to the market in 2023 and beyond.
- m43 will be dead in 2021 and people will sell / throw their m43 gear dirt cheap. (since then i have bought and sold m43 at a good /reasonable price until now)
m43 mount has been around since the DSLR mount days and most DSLR mount brands have moved to their respective mirrorless mount and they already abandon their dslr mount system. The idea of adapting the old dslr mount to new mirrorless mount will end as they crippled the technology when using the old lens mount. These manufacturers are looking for new sales.To me m43 is still relevant to the market in 2023 and beyond.
The following videos are about a product sporting the MFT mount from a few years ago.
One video is a typical "ambassador/visionary - say only good things" type of flattering video.
The other video tells you the truth.
This is the kind of company that MFT attracts to itself.
It does give you a sense of how to answer the question in this tread i.e. does MFT have a future?
ambassador/visionary type video
Video that tells you the truth
One video is a typical "ambassador/visionary - say only good things" type of flattering video.
The other video tells you the truth.
This is the kind of company that MFT attracts to itself.
It does give you a sense of how to answer the question in this tread i.e. does MFT have a future?
ambassador/visionary type video
Video that tells you the truth
one eye jack
Senior Member
@ricohflex,. There you go again. Taking every opportunity to denigrate m43. The first video is not ambassador/ visionary style video but a typical product marketing video and made slick.
2nd. video is typical Youtuber style creating sensation. Just because product sports a m43 mount and a dubious sensor or even a "Sony" sensor. It is master minded by a Chinese company whose engineers do not have the skill and technology to implement a video camera. It trying to sell by crowd funding enticing people to pre pay the product. Then it tried to get a free review but unfortunately while the idea or concept is sound the implementation of the camera system failed as regards video quality and user interface. Review compared it to panasonic gh5. Now compare it to gh6. This Chinese product is way behind. So moral of the story is if you want to compete in the global market then make sure your technology is up to date or on pat with your competitor. This is in no way to say m43 is flawed as can be shown that it is already a mature format and going strong. Long live m43.
2nd. video is typical Youtuber style creating sensation. Just because product sports a m43 mount and a dubious sensor or even a "Sony" sensor. It is master minded by a Chinese company whose engineers do not have the skill and technology to implement a video camera. It trying to sell by crowd funding enticing people to pre pay the product. Then it tried to get a free review but unfortunately while the idea or concept is sound the implementation of the camera system failed as regards video quality and user interface. Review compared it to panasonic gh5. Now compare it to gh6. This Chinese product is way behind. So moral of the story is if you want to compete in the global market then make sure your technology is up to date or on pat with your competitor. This is in no way to say m43 is flawed as can be shown that it is already a mature format and going strong. Long live m43.
JW73
Senior Member
This is a very well balance look into M43‘s pro and con from the wildlife photographer’s point of view.
No M43 users will say M43 is better than FF but it’s about what m43 can offer to us as a system package and have fun and work around it to get the best image out of the system.
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one eye jack
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To add...some helpful advice and encouragement about wildlife photography. Thank you Duade Paton. The 5 Ps..
1.Practice
2. Planning.
3. Persistence.
4. Patience.
5. Passion.
1.Practice
2. Planning.
3. Persistence.
4. Patience.
5. Passion.
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