what is the limitation of a DSLR video


Jaegersing is mostly right.Or at least that's the vibe i get from producers and directors when they start talking about "film look". However, that dof characteristic that they mostly refer to is one that's more unique to 35mm film than most others.16mm and 8mm (or super8mm) has deeper dof than 35mm, but it still has that distinctive film look (simply because it's film!) And it has all to do with the imaging size, as Jaegersing rightly pointed out.

So what is "film look" to me? IMHO, it's a combination of image texture, motion cadence, highlight handling, lighting and to some extent, shallower dof. That said, out of all these characteristics, I feel that the shallow dof is often raised because, beyond it's aesthetics like the other characteristics, it functions as a more direct narrative tool in focusing attention and imbue the image with a definitive meaning/intention. It works on a visceral level that mimics how human actually see things. That's perhaps why shallow dof is the aspirations of most videographers/ cameraman/ directors etc.

Well,to stay in context, indeed DSLR will bring with it the benefit of shallower dof which is great as a story telling tool. But the choice of using a particular camera, DSLR or video cameras, beyond non-paying gigs and self experimentations, often depends on the consideration of several factors such as workflow advantages, deliverables required, budget, subjects and the nature of the shoot itself etc etc. And these factors are in constant flux across projects, so making an informed decision to use a DSLR or a videocamera for a particular shoot will be essential to avoid unnecessary work arounds that the production cannot quite afford, either in time or budget. Hope it helps. :)
 

As for film looks, I guess when you stare at the screen long enough you will see a layer of acetate or polyester that videocam cannot duplicate. Well maybe can try putting a layer of polyster on the videocam lens and it will shoot like film. :bsmilie:
 

2 diff animals.

dslr's sensor is being punished if u use it for video. it ll deteriorate cos of constant heating. its not built for cont exposure. its like placin it on bulb mode n not releasing the shutter for long time. i wouldnt do that to my dslr.
 

Jaegersing is mostly right.Or at least that's the vibe i get from producers and directors when they start talking about "film look". However, that dof characteristic that they mostly refer to is one that's more unique to 35mm film than most others.16mm and 8mm (or super8mm) has deeper dof than 35mm, but it still has that distinctive film look (simply because it's film!) And it has all to do with the imaging size, as Jaegersing rightly pointed out.

So what is "film look" to me? IMHO, it's a combination of image texture, motion cadence, highlight handling, lighting and to some extent, shallower dof. That said, out of all these characteristics, I feel that the shallow dof is often raised because, beyond it's aesthetics like the other characteristics, it functions as a more direct narrative tool in focusing attention and imbue the image with a definitive meaning/intention. It works on a visceral level that mimics how human actually see things. That's perhaps why shallow dof is the aspirations of most videographers/ cameraman/ directors etc.

Well,to stay in context, indeed DSLR will bring with it the benefit of shallower dof which is great as a story telling tool. But the choice of using a particular camera, DSLR or video cameras, beyond non-paying gigs and self experimentations, often depends on the consideration of several factors such as workflow advantages, deliverables required, budget, subjects and the nature of the shoot itself etc etc. And these factors are in constant flux across projects, so making an informed decision to use a DSLR or a videocamera for a particular shoot will be essential to avoid unnecessary work arounds that the production cannot quite afford, either in time or budget. Hope it helps. :)

Ok i get what is your film looks and "their" film looks meant. What u say is true. film have better texture, cadence ,highlight handling. are u from a production house? You have very in
depth knowledge of such things.

2 diff animals.

dslr's sensor is being punished if u use it for video. it ll deteriorate cos of constant heating. its not built for cont exposure. its like placin it on bulb mode n not releasing the shutter for long time. i wouldnt do that to my dslr.

Hmm not to sure about this part but i do know we can upgrade the body with a cooler built beside it. Normally use for Astro photography for long shutter.
 

If you used 7D, you will get the overheating warning some 20-30 mins (or even earlier) into video mode. That said, 7D is relatively cheap so you can actually replace it when the sensor fizzles out! hah~
 

Haha yeah i agree with you. I wonder how much is the replacement cost? i think 7D is a much better choice for video production, cheap and sensor size is closer to the film size + 2 digic 4 processor. But i am wondering what will they do next to the DSLR video? I know canon is pushing towards this direction.
 

2 diff animals.

dslr's sensor is being punished if u use it for video. it ll deteriorate cos of constant heating. its not built for cont exposure. its like placin it on bulb mode n not releasing the shutter for long time. i wouldnt do that to my dslr.

sounds like a true photog talking, i say "punish" the buggar the results are too good not to. i just covered an event on 7D, it overheated ever so often, i just turned it off for 20secs and back up and running again.
 

sounds like a true photog talking, i say "punish" the buggar the results are too good not to. i just covered an event on 7D, it overheated ever so often, i just turned it off for 20secs and back up and running again.

LOL Nice choice of words. So all it need is 20 sec to cool down? That's not too bad. My flash overheat takes longer than that to cool down. ;p
 

holloywood is using DSLR for thier production already ... now the limitation is the guy behind the camera

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091705canon_5dmarkII.asp

I think not only Hollywood is doing that. Singapore is doing that too. They are filming fighting spider 2 on 7D. there is a clip worth watching on Vimeo is City of lakes. Film entirely on 5D mk2. I would say he is freaking talented. :)
 

Do you think that the manufacturer is so silly to kill its own products?

there shld be something that a video cameras has...in comparison with a DSLR.
 

Do you think that the manufacturer is so silly to kill its own products?

there shld be something that a video cameras has...in comparison with a DSLR.

Yeap i agree with you. What DSLR can't do most probably is for live broadcasting, short of several input that Video cam has. But i feel DSLR might have to potential to take over short films or advertising production. This is what i see for now. Correct me if i am wrong.. :)
 

Whatever works, works. One just has to make the necessary adjustments in terms of logistics, back-up plans, work-arounds, return-on-investment. We live in in interesting times where there are plenty of choices. Imagine a pre-digital era where film and optical effects are the only state-of-the-art options. Space Odysey 2001, Superman I, and Star Wars still got made. Professionals are not concerned about what the consensus, status quo is. DSLR will continue to be used more and more for broadcast content until the something better comes along.
 

Whatever works, works. One just has to make the necessary adjustments in terms of logistics, back-up plans, work-arounds, return-on-investment. We live in in interesting times where there are plenty of choices. Imagine a pre-digital era where film and optical effects are the only state-of-the-art options. Space Odysey 2001, Superman I, and Star Wars still got made. Professionals are not concerned about what the consensus, status quo is. DSLR will continue to be used more and more for broadcast content until the something better comes along.

Hmm for live broadcast i don't think DSLR can actually fit the bill. i am brainstorming if it is possible. LOL.. This topic is rather interesting.. :bsmilie:
 

You would want to use the best tool for the job. But if you are looking for a DSLR that doesn't overheat and has autofocus, the Panasonic GH1 will fit the bill. If you don't mind 720p, then the new G2 even gives you touchscreen automatic follow focusing.
 

You would want to use the best tool for the job. But if you are looking for a DSLR that doesn't overheat and has autofocus, the Panasonic GH1 will fit the bill. If you don't mind 720p, then the new G2 even gives you touchscreen automatic follow focusing.

Don't think so.. i think will lose the shallow DOF as GH1 and G2 are micro 4/3 sensor. The sensor on them are half of 5D MK2. not too sure about it though. haven really try it yet.
 

This is what i think.... for the DSLR the sensor are small relatively compared to the 1/3 sensor.... so loadsa lights are needed to make it look good.... you definitely need a focus puller as you want shallow DOF , and damn need good monitor or you can't tell the diff between soft and out focus.... too much i presume....
 

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