what film


Just hop down to Ruby to get some!

I got bulk rolls of Ilford Delta 100 & Kodak TriX 400.

You can get those cheap old school bulk loaders off ebay, shouldnt be more than $50 including shipping.

Or you can get the spanking new AP bulk loaders from Ruby, about $80++? Comes with 10 reload-able canisters.

Am not a big fan of the reload-able canisters, I use the standard used canisters. Can get them at labs for free, coz they throw them away anyway





I can pass you a few rolls to try out after I roll the TriX;)



I have bulk roll too.. U want to help me to roll? hee :bsmilie:
 

Get the Canon 8800F, using that too with very good results (It was a present so no complaints :) )

Personally I use Tri-X 400 most of the time, with Ilford Delta 3200 being the 2nd most used.

All self developed and scanned at home, although I don't buy the rolls in bulk, only when I need them as I'm always at the 'Golden Triangle' anyway.

Definitely save a lot by self-developing, just get a nice file to keep your developed negs!
 

hi.

i started with C-41 machine processed film, namely Ilford XP-2 Super. It allowed me to go to any 1 hour lab shop to process. I did this for a while, but I always found the quality to be inconsistent, let me explain, you can print C-41 as a color film or as a true black and white. Places like Konata or Ruby in Peninsula will print it in nice B&W. But 1 hour labs in say Kovan will use mixed ink, and the color tends to be Sepia... which isn't too bad, but that isn't the problem, the problem is that many shops don't know how to do C-41 properly Or they do so infrequently that the ink is not fresh. As a result, many of the faults like faint pictures or bleeds which I thought was my overexposure or underexposure was actually lousy processing.

Things came to a head in Jan, when I decided to do my own processing. I decided that I want to make film to negative and from negative scan to digital. I also decided that development should not be a greater hassle than 1 hour labs. That meant that as a film newbie, I wanted room temperature processing and with as little agitation as possible. (Film development is time and temperature sensitive)

I came across STAND DEVELOPMENT with Rodinal. Basically, dilute 3ml of rodinal into 300ml of water, agitate the film for 1 minutes, then leave it alone for a hour. The usual fix and wash was applied after that.

Which film to get ? I did alot of experiments with different type of film with a single developer RODINAL. With APX, TRI-X, NEOPAN and TMAX, grains were unacceptably large due to the higher temperature. In the end, I found that my Ilford XP-2 Super could be developed quite nicely in Rodinal Stand method producing very fine grain. Not everyone was supportive of this method as it was critised as "sub-optimal" or "non-standard" but I don't care now that I have managed to replicate this method many times.

See here for
example1, example2 and example3, all developed in Rodinal and Xp-2 and best of all, room temperature tap water.

But I didn't stop, now that I had a fine grain ISO 400 film, I wanted to learn about Pushing film from 400 to 1600. If you think about it, pushing is about overdeveloping underexposured film. This is something which XP-2 does not do well. I am currently trying out 2 other films now, the Neopan 400 (see sample here) and the venerable Tri-X, the initial signs are encourgaing. Of course, this has to be done at around 20C with other developers (HC-110 and D-76)

So do I how to buy them cheap ? There are a few strategies:

for XP-2, I bought them as generic house-brand on ebay, they are in black canisters in 24 exposures. Around $29 for 15 rolls.

for Neopan 400, I bought Legacy Pro, which is the house brand fro Neopan 400. This was $29 for 20 rolls ($1.50 USD a roll before shipping)

for Tri-X, I bought Arista Premium, the OEM version of Tri-x 400. (Around $2USD a roll before shipping)

It is hard to buy Rodinal from the US, and Ruby doesn't sell it. I bought it from Japanexposure.com but it is very cheap but very expensive to ship.In the end, I spent around $60 to bring it over. But think about it, 3ml out of a 500ml makes it roughly 150 rolls of development. or 40 cents to develop 1 roll. Not bad actually.

Do a search on the web, you can find it cheap. Of course it makes sense to have a VPOST account to buy things off the US vendors, and make sure you have a CC with a low max limit to limit your damage against fraud.

raytoei
 

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I always swear by the Fujicolor Superia 200. Its very cheap, about $9.50 for a pack of 3. I can literally make coloured and mono shots. For mono I just simply "desaturate" it in Photoshop. Some exmples here:



4456280743_33ec3c8261_o.jpg




4456280733_214c3d9aae_o.jpg
 

hi.

i started with C-41 machine processed film, namely Ilford XP-2 Super. It allowed me to go to any 1 hour lab shop to process. I did this for a while, but I always found the quality to be inconsistent, let me explain, you can print C-41 as a color film or as a true black and white. Places like Konata or Ruby in Peninsula will print it in nice B&W. But 1 hour labs in say Kovan will use mixed ink, and the color tends to be Sepia... which isn't too bad, but that isn't the problem, the problem is that many shops don't know how to do C-41 properly Or they do so infrequently that the ink is not fresh. As a result, many of the faults like faint pictures or bleeds which I thought was my overexposure or underexposure was actually lousy processing.

Things came to a head in Jan, when I decided to do my own processing. I decided that I want to make film to negative and from negative scan to digital. I also decided that development should not be a greater hassle than 1 hour labs. That meant that as a film newbie, I wanted room temperature processing and with as little agitation as possible. (Film development is time and temperature sensitive)

I came across STAND DEVELOPMENT with Rodinal. Basically, dilute 3ml of rodinal into 300ml of water, agitate the film for 1 minutes, then leave it alone for a hour. The usual fix and wash was applied after that.

Which film to get ? I did alot of experiments with different type of film with a single developer RODINAL. With APX, TRI-X, NEOPAN and TMAX, grains were unacceptably large due to the higher temperature. In the end, I found that my Ilford XP-2 Super could be developed quite nicely in Rodinal Stand method producing very fine grain. Not everyone was supportive of this method as it was critised as "sub-optimal" or "non-standard" but I don't care now that I have managed to replicate this method many times.

See here for
example1, example2 and example3, all developed in Rodinal and Xp-2 and best of all, room temperature tap water.

But I didn't stop, now that I had a fine grain ISO 400 film, I wanted to learn about Pushing film from 400 to 1600. If you think about it, pushing is about overdeveloping underexposured film. This is something which XP-2 does not do well. I am currently trying out 2 other films now, the Neopan 400 (see sample here) and the venerable Tri-X, the initial signs are encourgaing. Of course, this has to be done at around 20C with other developers (HC-110 and D-76)

So do I how to buy them cheap ? There are a few strategies:

for XP-2, I bought them as generic house-brand on ebay, they are in black canisters in 24 exposures. Around $29 for 15 rolls.

for Neopan 400, I bought Legacy Pro, which is the house brand fro Neopan 400. This was $29 for 20 rolls ($1.50 USD a roll before shipping)

for Tri-X, I bought Arista Premium, the OEM version of Tri-x 400. (Around $2USD a roll before shipping)

It is hard to buy Rodinal from the US, and Ruby doesn't sell it. I bought it from Japanexposure.com but it is very cheap but very expensive to ship.In the end, I spent around $60 to bring it over. But think about it, 3ml out of a 500ml makes it roughly 150 rolls of development. or 40 cents to develop 1 roll. Not bad actually.

Do a search on the web, you can find it cheap. Of course it makes sense to have a VPOST account to buy things off the US vendors, and make sure you have a CC with a low max limit to limit your damage against fraud.

raytoei

Great write up. Thanks for sharing your experience! :thumbsup:
 

hi.

i started with C-41 machine processed film, namely Ilford XP-2 Super. It allowed me to go to any 1 hour lab shop to process. I did this for a while, but I always found the quality to be inconsistent, let me explain, you can print C-41 as a color film or as a true black and white. Places like Konata or Ruby in Peninsula will print it in nice B&W. But 1 hour labs in say Kovan will use mixed ink, and the color tends to be Sepia... which isn't too bad, but that isn't the problem, the problem is that many shops don't know how to do C-41 properly Or they do so infrequently that the ink is not fresh. As a result, many of the faults like faint pictures or bleeds which I thought was my overexposure or underexposure was actually lousy processing.

Things came to a head in Jan, when I decided to do my own processing. I decided that I want to make film to negative and from negative scan to digital. I also decided that development should not be a greater hassle than 1 hour labs. That meant that as a film newbie, I wanted room temperature processing and with as little agitation as possible. (Film development is time and temperature sensitive)

I came across STAND DEVELOPMENT with Rodinal. Basically, dilute 3ml of rodinal into 300ml of water, agitate the film for 1 minutes, then leave it alone for a hour. The usual fix and wash was applied after that.

Which film to get ? I did alot of experiments with different type of film with a single developer RODINAL. With APX, TRI-X, NEOPAN and TMAX, grains were unacceptably large due to the higher temperature. In the end, I found that my Ilford XP-2 Super could be developed quite nicely in Rodinal Stand method producing very fine grain. Not everyone was supportive of this method as it was critised as "sub-optimal" or "non-standard" but I don't care now that I have managed to replicate this method many times.

See here for
example1, example2 and example3, all developed in Rodinal and Xp-2 and best of all, room temperature tap water.

But I didn't stop, now that I had a fine grain ISO 400 film, I wanted to learn about Pushing film from 400 to 1600. If you think about it, pushing is about overdeveloping underexposured film. This is something which XP-2 does not do well. I am currently trying out 2 other films now, the Neopan 400 (see sample here) and the venerable Tri-X, the initial signs are encourgaing. Of course, this has to be done at around 20C with other developers (HC-110 and D-76)

So do I how to buy them cheap ? There are a few strategies:

for XP-2, I bought them as generic house-brand on ebay, they are in black canisters in 24 exposures. Around $29 for 15 rolls.

for Neopan 400, I bought Legacy Pro, which is the house brand fro Neopan 400. This was $29 for 20 rolls ($1.50 USD a roll before shipping)

for Tri-X, I bought Arista Premium, the OEM version of Tri-x 400. (Around $2USD a roll before shipping)

It is hard to buy Rodinal from the US, and Ruby doesn't sell it. I bought it from Japanexposure.com but it is very cheap but very expensive to ship.In the end, I spent around $60 to bring it over. But think about it, 3ml out of a 500ml makes it roughly 150 rolls of development. or 40 cents to develop 1 roll. Not bad actually.

Do a search on the web, you can find it cheap. Of course it makes sense to have a VPOST account to buy things off the US vendors, and make sure you have a CC with a low max limit to limit your damage against fraud.

raytoei

Yeah...good stuff:thumbsup:
Thanks:)
 

oh gosh! thanks all for contributing. there is a wealth of knowledge to be learnt. its how deep down the rabbit hole one wants to go.
 

I always swear by the Fujicolor Superia 200. Its very cheap, about $9.50 for a pack of 3. I can literally make coloured and mono shots. For mono I just simply "desaturate" it in Photoshop. Some exmples here:



4456280743_33ec3c8261_o.jpg




4456280733_214c3d9aae_o.jpg

care to share where u get your superia 200? tks!..
 

oh gosh! thanks all for contributing. there is a wealth of knowledge to be learnt. its how deep down the rabbit hole one wants to go.

I'm in the midst of falling through it. Soon i will find out it's a bottomless pit:bsmilie::bsmilie:
 

Previously I got it from Konota. Can also get it from ground floor at Jubilee in Ang Mo Kio, a Fujifilm photoshop there. Its call the promotional pack or something, quite common I think.


care to share where u get your superia 200? tks!..
 

actually any scanner is great.. i'm using the 5600F and the pictures turn out fine.. but it just takes 7 mins to scan one frame =x
 

I always swear by the Fujicolor Superia 200. Its very cheap, about $9.50 for a pack of 3. I can literally make coloured and mono shots. For mono I just simply "desaturate" it in Photoshop. Some exmples here:



4456280743_33ec3c8261_o.jpg




4456280733_214c3d9aae_o.jpg

To be honest, do you play with the RGB channels when you convert to B&W in photoshop? I am not a big fan of this process as I think it takes away from the art of shooting B&W but I do know many people who do it this way and I have nothing against how they do things. I think there is a big diff between post processing a colour photo and shooting in black and white, but hey, thats just me.
 

I think there is a big diff between post processing a colour photo and shooting in black and white, but hey, thats just me.

are you talking about film, or digital?

in any case, if it is film, i can understand where you're coming from. if it is digital you talk about too, then there's something wrong with your understanding of how black and white photographs are derived in-camera in digital photography.
 

are you talking about film, or digital?

in any case, if it is film, i can understand where you're coming from. if it is digital you talk about too, then there's something wrong with your understanding of how black and white photographs are derived in-camera in digital photography.



I think he meant how black and white film renders black and white, versus converting a colour to black and white.
 

yeah, i also dont get that. :p

What he meant was that (I THINK) pping color photos to b&w is not as "good" as just shooting b&w.

Fyi, Fujicolor Superia 200 is a color film.
 

What he meant was that (I THINK) pping color photos to b&w is not as "good" as just shooting b&w.

Fyi, Fujicolor Superia 200 is a color film.

:hammer::hammer::hammer:

what i think he might mean is that pp'ing color FILM photos to b&w is not as good as just shooting b&w film. :angel:
 

:hammer::hammer::hammer:

what i think he might mean is that pp'ing color FILM photos to b&w is not as good as just shooting b&w film. :angel:

that's what i meant :blah:
 

I believe shooting B&W film, playing around with different developers & experimenting with timing & temperature of the developer to create the final product you seek is an art by itself.

A dying art I must say. Not many have the patience to actually use up precious time to take shots on different films, try the many different developers avaliable on the market along with experimenting with timing & temperature. That is the magic of B&W imho, it is not just sitting behind the screen tweeking the shots on photoshop/lightroom. It brings a lot of self satisfaction to the person doing it.

Also, I do agree that shooting on B&W film, the output quality does out perform something on digital.

So far I have seen digital shots really out perform color films but yet to see it out perform film B&W workflow. It takes a lot to master the process of the film to the wet prints.
 

care to share where u get your superia 200? tks!..

My place at Simei, there is this small lab in Eastpoint. They sell Superia 400 in 10 packs for $36, the Superia 200 in 10packs should be cheaper if I am not wrong.
 

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