--- What do you think of the recent increase of ERP gantries in the city?
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Yeah, amen to that.
If public transport kena charge ERP, more gantries and increase ERP prices only means increase in public transport fares eventually. So it's a no win situation for you even if you don't drive. But if LTA really want to cope congestion and motivate people to take public, then they should freeze (if not lower) public transport fares at the same time these gantries and increases are placed in. That's what I call walking the talk.
If public transport kena charge ERP, more gantries and increase ERP prices only means increase in public transport fares eventually. So it's a no win situation for you even if you don't drive. But if LTA really want to cope congestion and motivate people to take public, then they should freeze (if not lower) public transport fares at the same time these gantries and increases are placed in. That's what I call walking the talk.
blazer_workz
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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/359461/1/.html
PTC tweaks formula for adjusting public transport fares
By Imelda Saad, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 10 July 2008 1609 hrs
PTC tweaks formula for adjusting public transport fares
SINGAPORE: Another round of public transport fare hikes is likely this year, but commuters can expect the rise to be cushioned by a new fare structure formula.
One group of commuters who stands to benefit are those who make multiple transfer journeys.
Currently, a commuter incurs what is called a transfer penalty every time he boards a new bus. To offset this, the commuter is given a 25-cent rebate each time he switches from bus to bus, or bus to train.
But this rebate does not fully offset the jump in fares. To address this, a distance-based through fare system will be introduced by 2009.
But for now, Singapore's Public Transport Council (PTC) will look into increasing the transfer rebate to close the gap.
Singapore's Transport Ministry says about four in ten commuters currently make transfer journeys on a weekday.
With the new through fare structure, commuters can take as many buses and trains to their destination without being penalised with a higher fare.
Changes will also be made to the fare adjustment formula, which will see the public transport operators share their productivity gains with commuters.
This means the maximum annual fare adjustment will be capped at 3 per cent instead of the higher 4.2 per cent under the old formula.
The formula is pegged to macroeconomic factors - namely changes in the Consumer Price Index and average monthly earnings. The formula has been in place since 2005 and valid for three years.
The revised formula will be applicable for five years, instead of three, to give commuters and operators more certainty in fares.
The PTC was quick to point out, though, that the maximum annual fare cap of 3 per cent does not determine the actual fare adjustment.
Whether a commuter's bus fare will go up by more than 3 per cent or less, or whether a commuter actually stands to save money, will depend on the distance travelled and the number of transfers made in a journey.
Simply put, if a commuter takes long bus and train journeys with many transfers, he will see a net reduction. But he will probably end up paying more for short trips.
Public transport operators are expected to submit their applications for a fare review in August.
The PTC will decide on the actual adjustment in September and new fares will kick in in October. - CNA/ir
PTC tweaks formula for adjusting public transport fares
By Imelda Saad, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 10 July 2008 1609 hrs
PTC tweaks formula for adjusting public transport fares
SINGAPORE: Another round of public transport fare hikes is likely this year, but commuters can expect the rise to be cushioned by a new fare structure formula.
One group of commuters who stands to benefit are those who make multiple transfer journeys.
Currently, a commuter incurs what is called a transfer penalty every time he boards a new bus. To offset this, the commuter is given a 25-cent rebate each time he switches from bus to bus, or bus to train.
But this rebate does not fully offset the jump in fares. To address this, a distance-based through fare system will be introduced by 2009.
But for now, Singapore's Public Transport Council (PTC) will look into increasing the transfer rebate to close the gap.
Singapore's Transport Ministry says about four in ten commuters currently make transfer journeys on a weekday.
With the new through fare structure, commuters can take as many buses and trains to their destination without being penalised with a higher fare.
Changes will also be made to the fare adjustment formula, which will see the public transport operators share their productivity gains with commuters.
This means the maximum annual fare adjustment will be capped at 3 per cent instead of the higher 4.2 per cent under the old formula.
The formula is pegged to macroeconomic factors - namely changes in the Consumer Price Index and average monthly earnings. The formula has been in place since 2005 and valid for three years.
The revised formula will be applicable for five years, instead of three, to give commuters and operators more certainty in fares.
The PTC was quick to point out, though, that the maximum annual fare cap of 3 per cent does not determine the actual fare adjustment.
Whether a commuter's bus fare will go up by more than 3 per cent or less, or whether a commuter actually stands to save money, will depend on the distance travelled and the number of transfers made in a journey.
Simply put, if a commuter takes long bus and train journeys with many transfers, he will see a net reduction. But he will probably end up paying more for short trips.
Public transport operators are expected to submit their applications for a fare review in August.
The PTC will decide on the actual adjustment in September and new fares will kick in in October. - CNA/ir
ZerocoolAstra
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i think the Public Transport Council (PTC) and the LTA need to sit down together and figure out the best way to get more people to leave their cars at home and take the buses/MRT.
Ya all the buses (SBS/SMRT/BusPlus) should not have to incur ERP charges. That would ENCOURAGE more public transport usage.
Ya all the buses (SBS/SMRT/BusPlus) should not have to incur ERP charges. That would ENCOURAGE more public transport usage.
blazer_workz
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actually is oni the job of LTA..they will be taking over fully the planning for road usage..
should just disband PTC..wif or without PTC, we still face fare hikes..
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Induction loops in the road can detect the metal of the engine of all but the smallest motor bikes and even then, if it's a known issue at a location the loops can be tuned to detect the small amount of metal in a standard bicycle frame.
Using radar or induction loops seems to be 'history' thing with the roads authority - they use what ever they have used in the past.
If I was designing an ERP gantry I would be doing vehicle detection by induction loop not radar - with a camera set to take a picture of the number plate of the vehicle at the trigger point if the tag reader failed to get an ID.
Presumably some like radar detection as then you don't have to do anything at road level.
One way to reduce congestion would be to make all cars 'robot' driven like the NE railway line. All the automation computers talk to one another and set a speed that every one follows. Lane changes are communicated and done automatically. Cars enter and leave the express ways neatly. There would be no bunching as the automation would detect and take action to avoid it early. You probably would get a significant lift in capacity as well.
I've been told that automation of industrial plant project (Port 'straddle' cranes) reduced their fuel consumption %30, so there is a 'green' aspect to automation as well.
Of course mandating car automation is not only expensive, it would be extremely unpopular - I find that many car drivers, drive, not because they think it's cheaper or any thing, but because of the feeling of control. Try to take that control away and put it in the hands of a computer and their would be an uproar as they won't be 'in control' any more.
Part of the problem is also that the Western Economy's have spent 60 years or so pushing the ownership of a motor car as a sign of affluence. Public transport has been seen as something 'losers who can't afford a car' use. Car manufactures are STILL using this line to sell cars. This makes it rather hard to change general perceptions.
Using ERP to charge users off the road is probably in the long term not really going to work, certainly not while you have other forces pushing people into 'Personal Transport' at the other end.
I've been told that automation of industrial plant project (Port 'straddle' cranes) reduced their fuel consumption %30, so there is a 'green' aspect to automation as well.
Of course mandating car automation is not only expensive, it would be extremely unpopular - I find that many car drivers, drive, not because they think it's cheaper or any thing, but because of the feeling of control. Try to take that control away and put it in the hands of a computer and their would be an uproar as they won't be 'in control' any more.
Part of the problem is also that the Western Economy's have spent 60 years or so pushing the ownership of a motor car as a sign of affluence. Public transport has been seen as something 'losers who can't afford a car' use. Car manufactures are STILL using this line to sell cars. This makes it rather hard to change general perceptions.
Using ERP to charge users off the road is probably in the long term not really going to work, certainly not while you have other forces pushing people into 'Personal Transport' at the other end.
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vince123123
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Actually hor, I wouldn't mind a robot driven car. Can close my eyes and sleep while the car drives me there. I don't need that whole control affluence crap.
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