not that easy for me though if i really want to go from 60D to 5DIII coz I have the 17-55 and 10-22 combo. What is the recommended FF equivalence for this 2 lens?
What Camera would typical Amateur Photographers upgrade to for next level ??
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MechaEd
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It would be the 24-70 f2.8 (unfortunately no IS) and the 16-35 f2.8 or 17-40 f4.
Let me clarify why I said it's easy. When I decided to upgrade from my 60D, the 7D was out: no point upgrading to another APSC when the 60D was fine as is. I then looked at the 5DII but I couldn't get away from the thought of getting a 4 yr old camera to replace a 2 yr old one. Heck, even the 60D had more crosstype AF focus points than the 5D2. Then there was the 1D... nahhh...
So for me, realistically, the only upgrade body-wise would be the 5DIII.
Like you, I have APSC lenses... all 3 of my initial lenses were APSC in fact: Sigma 30mm, 8-16mm and the 17-70mm. It's a PITA now that I have to sell them. But I'm glad I made the upgrade.
It's expensive sure, but the plan is to not upgrade anymore for the next 3-4 years, so the big hole in my wallet right now will work itself out. Upgrade once, pain once. The pain is longer, but less times
.i thought 7D was released 1 year before the 60D? Anyway, getting the 5DMk3 with those L lens seems too wasted for casual DSLR users like me. If the 7D replacement is a significant steps forward, maybe i will top up and upgrade then. ;pIt would be the 24-70 f2.8 (unfortunately no IS) and the 16-35 f2.8 or 17-40 f4.
Let me clarify why I said it's easy. When I decided to upgrade from my 60D, the 7D was out: no point upgrading to another APSC when the 60D was fine as is. I then looked at the 5DII but I couldn't get away from the thought of getting a 4 yr old camera to replace a 2 yr old one. Heck, even the 60D had more crosstype AF focus points than the 5D2. Then there was the 1D... nahhh...
So for me, realistically, the only upgrade body-wise would be the 5DIII.
Like you, I have APSC lenses... all 3 of my initial lenses were APSC in fact: Sigma 30mm, 8-16mm and the 17-70mm. It's a PITA now that I have to sell them. But I'm glad I made the upgrade.
It's expensive sure, but the plan is to not upgrade anymore for the next 3-4 years, so the big hole in my wallet right now will work itself out. Upgrade once, pain once. The pain is longer, but less times
In the meantime, upgrading my noob skill is way more important and it is free. :bsmilie:
MechaEd
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Yeap, but they crippled the 60D so it won't be better than the 7D. Frankly I chose 60D in the first place because of the articulating LCD. I still miss it
Hear hear!
initially I was planning to get just an entry level DSLR - 600D to replace my spoilt Canon G2 (yes, that 10 years old G2 ;p ) coz i was not really into photography but just need a decent camera to shoot on vacations. Then after getting hand-on with 600D and 60D at the shop, feel the 60D grips better in hands, thus decided to top up a bit and got it. The articulate LCD is the main deciding factor over the 7D too besides the higher price of 7D.Yeap, but they crippled the 60D so it won't be better than the 7D. Frankly I chose 60D in the first place because of the articulating LCD. I still miss it
Hear hear!
Co-incidentally, my first digicam, Canon G2 was the first Canon digicam with an articulate LCD while my first DSLR, the 60D also the first Canon DSLR with an articulate LCD.
After my trip from China last week with 60D, i am more interested into photography now with all the nice photos taken. But of course, there are quite a lot of noob mistakes made - wrong f number used, composition, not sharp photo (due to object movement - not fast enough shuttle), etc. Learn a lot from those silly mistakes.
lennyl
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It's been a few years since I last visited ClubSnap. I see that the forum members are still eager to spend other people's money
I highly recommend the xxD / 7D for their ergonomics improvement over the xxxD / Rebel. Once you're familiar with the layout, it requires fewer button pushes to get to what you want.
Now, if you're only using it once a month, maybe you should consider spending the money on a better lens instead. I've used a 17-55mm f/2.8 IS and it's a wonderful lens.
I highly recommend the xxD / 7D for their ergonomics improvement over the xxxD / Rebel. Once you're familiar with the layout, it requires fewer button pushes to get to what you want.
Now, if you're only using it once a month, maybe you should consider spending the money on a better lens instead. I've used a 17-55mm f/2.8 IS and it's a wonderful lens.
initially I was planning to get just an entry level DSLR - 600D to replace my spoilt Canon G2 (yes, that 10 years old G2 ;p ) coz i was not really into photography but just need a decent camera to shoot on vacations. Then after getting hand-on with 600D and 60D at the shop, feel the 60D grips better in hands, thus decided to top up a bit and got it. The articulate LCD is the main deciding factor over the 7D too besides the higher price of 7D.
Co-incidentally, my first digicam, Canon G2 was the first Canon digicam with an articulate LCD while my first DSLR, the 60D also the first Canon DSLR with an articulate LCD.
After my trip from China last week with 60D, i am more interested into photography now with all the nice photos taken. But of course, there are quite a lot of noob mistakes made - wrong f number used, composition, not sharp photo (due to object movement - not fast enough shuttle), etc. Learn a lot from those silly mistakes.
I agree with you totally and soon you may be posioned to get a 5D. :devil:
I was using 450D then I changed to 60D and now the 5D.
dont think I will own a 1D, its too big
kaylan2000
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Let me share my interesting story.
I started with a ProSumer Fuji S9600 costing a whopping $1000 that time. I thought I am not a professional and I would never ever go to a DSLR. I just need one camera for all my purposes. Who will waste money on separate lenses? That time 350D was available at similar cost!!!
I was proven wrong in less than a year time. I settled for my first DSLR, a 40D. It was just launched then in US. I realised what I was missing.
40D served me so nicely until a couple of years back when again the upgrade bug troubled me. This time I learned from previous experiences of money wastage .. directly jumped to 1Ds so that I need not change body in near future. So that I can focus myself on my lens line-up.
My Fuji costs is a sunk cost.
My 40D was purchased at 1400 and was sold in 700
My favourite lens was a Toki 11-16 and reluctantly I sold that at a loss.
My other APC lenses like Sigma 17-70 was sold at a heavy discount.
So, it was wastage of lot of money .. It is wastage for me as I still enjoy photography ... but it could have been a great saving for someone who stopped at one stage.
So my point is, focus on LENSES. Build up your lens collections that will serve you for many years to come. Lenses are investment, whereas bodies are sunk cost.
I started with a ProSumer Fuji S9600 costing a whopping $1000 that time. I thought I am not a professional and I would never ever go to a DSLR. I just need one camera for all my purposes. Who will waste money on separate lenses? That time 350D was available at similar cost!!!
I was proven wrong in less than a year time. I settled for my first DSLR, a 40D. It was just launched then in US. I realised what I was missing.
40D served me so nicely until a couple of years back when again the upgrade bug troubled me. This time I learned from previous experiences of money wastage .. directly jumped to 1Ds so that I need not change body in near future. So that I can focus myself on my lens line-up.
My Fuji costs is a sunk cost.
My 40D was purchased at 1400 and was sold in 700
My favourite lens was a Toki 11-16 and reluctantly I sold that at a loss.
My other APC lenses like Sigma 17-70 was sold at a heavy discount.
So, it was wastage of lot of money .. It is wastage for me as I still enjoy photography ... but it could have been a great saving for someone who stopped at one stage.
So my point is, focus on LENSES. Build up your lens collections that will serve you for many years to come. Lenses are investment, whereas bodies are sunk cost.
but if focus on lenses alone, for crop sensor users like me, need to see whether will upgrade to FF later. Most likely i will shoot until my 60D spoilt before i upgrade. Or unless kena lottery then can hoot 5DMk3 with some nice L lenses.
I bought my Canon G2 at $1,300 10 years ago and i could buy a 600D kit with the same amount of money last year.
Initially was thinking of buying a superzoom like Canon SX30 some time back. Then the ability of entry level DSLR to change lenses really tempted me. So ended up buying a 60D. Actually after buying the 60D Kit III for few months, i was wondering whether i have wasted my hard earned money as i hardly use it - it just sit inside my drybox. But after a few outstation trip and most notably last week China trip, i think it worth every cents i spent.
I bought my Canon G2 at $1,300 10 years ago and i could buy a 600D kit with the same amount of money last year.
Initially was thinking of buying a superzoom like Canon SX30 some time back. Then the ability of entry level DSLR to change lenses really tempted me. So ended up buying a 60D. Actually after buying the 60D Kit III for few months, i was wondering whether i have wasted my hard earned money as i hardly use it - it just sit inside my drybox. But after a few outstation trip and most notably last week China trip, i think it worth every cents i spent. 
G-man
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Xest said:but if focus on lenses alone, for crop sensor users like me, need to see whether will upgrade to FF later. Most likely i will shoot until my 60D spoilt before i upgrade. Or unless kena lottery then can hoot 5DMk3 with some nice L lenses.
I bought my Canon G2 at $1,300 10 years ago and i could buy a 600D kit with the same amount of money last year.
Someone did mention this to me and I think it makes perfect sense. When the camera is with you at all times even when you are at home, you tend to shoot more. If you leave it in the dry cabinet and plan only to take it out when you intend to shoot, chances are you most times won't bother.
I'm an amateur myself, recently upgraded from a 500D. I find that a FF body my most impt procurement personally. Instantly u can unleash the full performance of your existing EF lenses.
I had the 500D+35L before switching over to my 5D tested with the more affordable 50/1.4(similar equiv focal length for both setups)
Must say that the photos taken with the FF setup looked better for most shots.
Again as an amateur, I cannot differentiate between photos taken using the 50 1.2 or 1.4 unless I view the EXIF info.
U don't need to get the 5Diii, I believe the 5Dii is good enough to serve its purpose.
Just my 2cts. Was in a similar dilemma few weeks back.
I had the 500D+35L before switching over to my 5D tested with the more affordable 50/1.4(similar equiv focal length for both setups)
Must say that the photos taken with the FF setup looked better for most shots.
Again as an amateur, I cannot differentiate between photos taken using the 50 1.2 or 1.4 unless I view the EXIF info.
U don't need to get the 5Diii, I believe the 5Dii is good enough to serve its purpose.
Just my 2cts. Was in a similar dilemma few weeks back.
WhaleGaga
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G-man said:
Just my tots, shoot is shoot. i still believe in quality results. I've seen pictures shot with an entry level Cam much better than a FF Cam because the fellow who uses the cam shown more desire. so no point if e cam is beside me, I shoot it more n nothing to show for it.
I mean with better equipmt now, supportg SW n really smarter usera now, we shd see better results but sad to say its not always true.
Ppl r only interested to pay more for a gadget for the way it is marketed than its real usage functionality.
kaylan2000
New Member
While I fully agree that the person behind the camera is important. How important is debatable, many say more important than the camera, some say equally important and many say you can not win with a Hyundai in the race of Porsche.
However, what I and many like me experienced is, You being the same person with same photographic skill .. different camera produce different results. It is grossly unfair to say that people has money and hence they spend on expensive gear ... NO, they see the glaring difference in their own photos and feels that upgrade is justified.
However, when you master the DSLR, naturally your skill improves and you can take better pictures with your PnS.
However, what I and many like me experienced is, You being the same person with same photographic skill .. different camera produce different results. It is grossly unfair to say that people has money and hence they spend on expensive gear ... NO, they see the glaring difference in their own photos and feels that upgrade is justified.
However, when you master the DSLR, naturally your skill improves and you can take better pictures with your PnS.
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