Wedding Gown Series ft Kelly & Florence

[Fatfish]

Still quite a fair bit of blown parts, but its better already. At least can tell what she wearing.
The first version was like.... where is the gown? Its not easy shooting white gowns under the sun

thanks for comment..... Bendick

i just searched the net for cross processing.

here is what i got... C&Cs?
Kelly #3

 

[wdEvA]

for #2, I feel that it's not about how much details are retained, or how exposed is overexposed,
but the washout gown is a big big distraction and spoils the image

 

[Fatfish]

another attempt for cross-processing

Florence #2

 

[Chiacj]

A good piece of advice will be to shoot in RAW, and underexpose purposely to retain the details of the white gown. Since PP is intended, you can then recover the detail to as white as you go, and what ever feeling of the background you will like to make out of it. Assuming that you shot this with the gown already overexposed, no matter how low you tried to recover the details, much of it is lost i.e. the right side of the gown.

 

[Deadpoet]

Bro, above all over-exposed

Hey bro, just save your breath, they won't listern, jus the way things are these days.

 

[Fatfish]

A good piece of advice will be to shoot in RAW, and underexpose purposely to retain the details of the white gown. Since PP is intended, you can then recover the detail to as white as you go, and what ever feeling of the background you will like to make out of it. Assuming that you shot this with the gown already overexposed, no matter how low you tried to recover the details, much of it is lost i.e. the right side of the gown.

yeah, thanks for advise.
however, i read somewhere to use the "histogram on the right side" method.
that is contrary to what you mentioned.

so does that meant that for white subjects, the above method does not work?

Hey bro, just save your breath, they won't listern, jus the way things are these days.

if i had not listened, would i have tried re-producing and re-posting for C&Cs again?

get a life, Bro. you are a senior member somemore. Sigh.....

 

[Deadpoet]

At the end of the day, this is your picture and you have the freedom to do whatever you deemed is the thing you want to do.

You really do not have to listern to anyone. I don't.

Ok. You are shooting a big white dress under hash sun light, it is a receipe for a disaster, which you had managed to do.

No matter how you push and pull in photoshop, the details on the dress are all gone, they will never come back, and even if you managed to do something, it will not look natural.

The only way is to manipulate lights by cutting and adding.

Cutting, you need to shade the model from the harsh sun light, and by adding, you lit the dress and the face seperately.

The picture in question, as far as I can see, is beyond salvage. Lesson learned, there is always the next shoot.

 

[powerbookg4]

I think it not so much of PP that needs to be learnt here.

Firstly, I think the time of the day to shoot a wedding theme, would probably be early mornings or evenings. Looking at the shadows, you probably took the shoot around noon. The lighting is going to be harsh and hard to control. Probably a reflector may help in such situations. Shooting in such light conditions, then thinking that you can PP it, then I think the approach is wrong.

Secondly, exposure whether over or under is always subjective. Its based on personal preference and mood you want to create. However, when the exposure (for #2), distracts the audience, then you have probably good too far off track.

Lastly, cutting or adding or what some of the fellow CSers mentioned are to further enhance your photo, not to repair the photo.

 

[Fatfish]

At the end of the day, this is your picture and you have the freedom to do whatever you deemed is the thing you want to do.

You really do not have to listern to anyone. I don't.

Ok. You are shooting a big white dress under hash sun light, it is a receipe for a disaster, which you had managed to do.

No matter how you push and pull in photoshop, the details on the dress are all gone, they will never come back, and even if you managed to do something, it will not look natural.

The only way is to manipulate lights by cutting and adding.

Cutting, you need to shade the model from the harsh sun light, and by adding, you lit the dress and the face seperately.

The picture in question, as far as I can see, is beyond salvage. Lesson learned, there is always the next shoot.

I think it not so much of PP that needs to be learnt here.

Firstly, I think the time of the day to shoot a wedding theme, would probably be early mornings or evenings. Looking at the shadows, you probably took the shoot around noon. The lighting is going to be harsh and hard to control. Probably a reflector may help in such situations. Shooting in such light conditions, then thinking that you can PP it, then I think the approach is wrong.

Secondly, exposure whether over or under is always subjective. Its based on personal preference and mood you want to create. However, when the exposure (for #2), distracts the audience, then you have probably good too far off track.

Lastly, cutting or adding or what some of the fellow CSers mentioned are to further enhance your photo, not to repair the photo.

thanks to both of you for your constructive feedback.

yeah i agree that the dress is over-exposed, the shot was in harsh light.
well, i was trying to do with what i have at the time of situation.
we did not have a reflector or a large-sized "sun" diffuser to work with.

however, one would have to consider another thing is that the sun is not something we can control.
only thing we can control is the amount of light that gets to our subject.
that is one luxury, some photographers might not have, when he/she did not happened to bring the kind of equipment during the noon shoots.
yes i agree that noon might not be a good time to shoot such pics.

how about suggesting, what you would do if you happened to meet with such situation where your photo-shoot over-flowed into the afternoon and you happened to not bring the correct equipments?:dunno:
I know going indoors might be one of the option. but what else for outdoor?
or would you just cancel the photoshoot?

anyway, great discussion here.:think:
at least i have learnt a few stuff from this.

 

[sinned79]

thanks to both of you for your constructive feedback.

yeah i agree that the dress is over-exposed, the shot was in harsh light.
well, i was trying to do with what i have at the time of situation.
we did not have a reflector or a large-sized "sun" diffuser to work with.

however, one would have to consider another thing is that the sun is not something we can control.
only thing we can control is the amount of light that gets to our subject.
that is one luxury, some photographers might not have, when he/she did not happened to bring the kind of equipment during the noon shoots.
yes i agree that noon might not be a good time to shoot such pics.

how about suggesting, what you would do if you happened to meet with such situation where your photo-shoot over-flowed into the afternoon and you happened to not bring the correct equipments?:dunno:
I know going indoors might be one of the option. but what else for outdoor?
or would you just cancel the photoshoot?

anyway, great discussion here.:think:
at least i have learnt a few stuff from this.

if you got a kaki to always go for such models shoot, both of you can chip in to buy a reflector (those 5 in one) for ard $40-60. Then take turns to assist.

i have bought one myself but i usually shoot alone (and i dun go for such model shoots), so i am now considering getting one reflector stand or make one myself :bsmilie:

 

[kelvinlin]

keep on shooting . your shots will definitely improve

 

[Fatfish]

if you got a kaki to always go for such models shoot, both of you can chip in to buy a reflector (those 5 in one) for ard $40-60. Then take turns to assist.

i have bought one myself but i usually shoot alone (and i dun go for such model shoots), so i am now considering getting one reflector stand or make one myself :bsmilie:

i understand having the equipment will definitely help.

however, i am discussing on how to make use of a situation when the sun light is harsh, you still have to continue shooting but do not have the reflectors/diffusers.
what would you do? (not going indoors, that is)

Please do share.
(hope you understand what i am asking.)

keep on shooting . your shots will definitely improve

thanks for encouragement. will definitely do. still learning.:sweat:

 

[Canonised]

i understand having the equipment will definitely help.

however, i am discussing on how to make use of a situation when the sun light is harsh, you still have to continue shooting but do not have the reflectors/diffusers.
what would you do? (not going indoors, that is)

Please do share.
(hope you understand what i am asking.)
thanks for encouragement. will definitely do. still learning.:sweat:

in such a hopeless situation, ask yourself, is there a need to continue shooting? :dunno:

 

[Fatfish]

in such a hopeless situation, ask yourself, is there a need to continue shooting? :dunno:

So i assume you are saying,
that if you were the photog,
with the previously mentioned situation happened during your shoot,
you will give up and cancel the shoot?:dunno:

 

[Fatfish]

i assume cropping like this will make it better?

Kelly B&W#2

one brother completed this for me. thanks Alpina.

 

[blaz7]

Move to a shady place maybe, pose the model in a different direction, maybe someone can use their white shirt as a reflector:sweat:, there should be some small adjustments that can be made to help a bit on the spot.

 

[sinned79]

So i assume you are saying,
that if you were the photog,
with the previously mentioned situation happened during your shoot,
you will give up and cancel the shoot?:dunno:

u can start to blame the organiser in this case. he is the one who planned the time for the shoot isn't it? He ought to know better.

 

[Fatfish]

u can start to blame the organiser in this case. he is the one who planned the time for the shoot isn't it? He ought to know better.

hang on here arh....... hold your horses....

i only mentioned the above as a simulated situation only.....
And asking for solutions. (that was not the situation i was in.)

do not blame the organiser okie.
he was innocent in this shoot. i was trying stuff on my own.

:sweat:*sweat*:sweat:

 

[surrephoto]

u can start to blame the organiser in this case. he is the one who planned the time for the shoot isn't it? He ought to know better.

There are more issues in organising a well organised organised shoot than simply the best time to shoot the best type of model/subject. There are numerous give and takes.

 

[Deadpoet]

in such a hopeless situation, ask yourself, is there a need to continue shooting? :dunno:

So i assume you are saying,
that if you were the photog,
with the previously mentioned situation happened during your shoot,
you will give up and cancel the shoot?:dunno:

As a photographer, you ought to know better and therefore, stop the shoot before it started. If you can. If not, figure out how to circumvent the difficult situation. One way, is to wait to the situation imporves. If you cannot, then don't bother.

To the organizer, there are many factors to consider when organizing, suitable lighting is perhaps one of the most important.