Tuck Loong said:
Altjira said:
Altjira said:
benedium said:What he says is true... if u not interested then don't respond loh.
After all, the model who works for free can get to see herself for years in the magazine or advertisements whenever the magazine wishes to sell the picture to advertisers or stock image agencies like gettyimages.
The model also can feel good that she help to support entreprenuers like this guy here, helping him make money out of sheer goodwill and wanting nothing in return but a copy of the picture. Willing to lose all rights to the image of herself. Awww... so sweet :lovegrin:
And she will probably be pleasantly surprised to find herself appearing in places she never thought you would appear in, and kenna DIed until you didn't know you had a body like that. You could be the new face of the next cool PhoneChat Hotline or Massage Parlor!!! Wah so glam!!!!
Isn't that great?
Samurai said:
Peace peaceTuck Loong said:Hey guys and gals,
Relax relax
Have to agree with what Celine has pointed out but let's give some benefit of doubt to Samurai too. He is just doing his job. The magazine has tasked him to find FOC models. He cant do anything about it. Lets try to think positive and see whether we can assist the models to achieve a Win Win situation here :thumbsup:
For editorial spreads, its indeed a good opportunity for models to get good tearsheets. However, even model agencies are skeptical about sending their models for such shoots unless they know that their models can get high quality pictures from it. Sometimes,money is not the only factor. There are times when you have 400 bucks for the models, they can still reject the deal based on the magazine concerned. So in order to attract high quality models, you need a really good editorial team, consisting of a art director, a good fashion/lifestyle photographer team, top stylist, top makeup, top hairstylist and a good digital touch up artist. Hence, its is not wrong for Celine to point out that not all models, especially fresh ones whom will know all the names in the industry but a good guide is to have a feel of the magazine's previous work. I think in this situation, it best that you tell the potential models here more information since you are asking for free models, evaluating and selecting them to suit your needs. The models here deserve some creditable information to make sound decision in their selection process too.
I think I treasure the Professionalism of models more than their status. It doesnt matter whether they freelanced or contracted. A good attitude will make them a joy to shoot and achieving the look and feel that you wanted. By saying that the models lack experience and definitely need a good credential is not really correct la. If they shoot for ya and you dont teach them how to pose, they will still learn very little at the end of the day. Unless you can commit and teach them something and ensure a positive outcome (with proper training audits?), they will become more experienced.
If you have a professional photographer, I am sure he/she will have a expectation about models quality as models are a integral component that make or break a spread.
Hope this helps. Dont start any war hor guys
Altjira said:Samuri, why the hostility? A forum is also about free speech or does free speech not apply. I know some of the models on this forum, many of the photographers here and in Australia are my friends and I don't see it any harm in watching up for them of giving some pointers. Advice can be always given, whether it is taken aboard or not, is really up to them. It was never meant to be shoved down their throats. I have friends in model agencies, I was with a professional model agency in Australia (in case you don't know, I was there for 5 years before returning to singapore), I freelance for a professional photographer, I see how the business works in the photography work, I have done some producing (pre-production) work for our photography clients, so..let's see..do i have enough experience and knowledge to give advice, I think so. In this world, people need to watch out for each other.
Er...if there is no money on the table, it's considered free. I understand that some things are kept confidential, such as budget.
While true, there are free shoots on the market. Time-for-prints, time-for-cd, test shoots...all of which are for portfolio building of both parties, NOT for commercial reasons. I personally don't believe anything should come for free. People should do test shoots or photo-exchange only if they know and am confident it will ENHANCE their portfolio. Unfortunately with a lot of a freelance models (not all, coz there are professional models who prefer to freelance depending on the number of contacts and jobs they can pull in)who do not have the understanding, knowledge of their rights, what they are really signing away and get caught up in the little fairytale that if they get seen enough, someone will poach them to join their agency or be the next supermodel by discovering (that happens in about 1% of the time). Sorry, dreamland, but at the end, i still believe in the concept of choice, so if they still continue to send their pictures to you, good for them and they have my support, but at least you know they're making an educated decision, rather than just doing something on the whim. Whther you choose them or not, yes that's a different story, but that is just like any casting.
Also, the fact that you are a new member, sorry, but don't really have much of an option of reading your previous posts to get a gauge on what you do either. I used to work for magazines at SPH, so i know how much god damn money advertisers pay, so don't tell me the magazines doesn't have money to pay.
While I know you are probably just doing your job, and I have no intention of hijacking your thread, it's just advice and if you can advice as to why I'm not making sense (logic for logic, and not be all emotional - you are a guy right???) and why advice should not be given, why questions should not be asked or why people should just follow the crowd like sheep without using their brain of which is our most priced possession, I will leave your thread alone.
P.s If you are working for the mag that i think you're working for, I happen to know the photographer too.
Altjira said:Samuri, why the hostility? A forum is also about free speech or does free speech not apply. I know some of the models on this forum, many of the photographers here and in Australia are my friends and I don't see it any harm in watching up for them of giving some pointers. Advice can be always given, whether it is taken aboard or not, is really up to them. It was never meant to be shoved down their throats. I have friends in model agencies, I was with a professional model agency in Australia (in case you don't know, I was there for 5 years before returning to singapore), I freelance for a professional photographer, I see how the business works in the photography work, I have done some producing (pre-production) work for our photography clients, so..let's see..do i have enough experience and knowledge to give advice, I think so. In this world, people need to watch out for each other.
Er...if there is no money on the table, it's considered free. I understand that some things are kept confidential, such as budget.
While true, there are free shoots on the market. Time-for-prints, time-for-cd, test shoots...all of which are for portfolio building of both parties, NOT for commercial reasons. I personally don't believe anything should come for free. People should do test shoots or photo-exchange only if they know and am confident it will ENHANCE their portfolio. Unfortunately with a lot of a freelance models (not all, coz there are professional models who prefer to freelance depending on the number of contacts and jobs they can pull in)who do not have the understanding, knowledge of their rights, what they are really signing away and get caught up in the little fairytale that if they get seen enough, someone will poach them to join their agency or be the next supermodel by discovering (that happens in about 1% of the time). Sorry, dreamland, but at the end, i still believe in the concept of choice, so if they still continue to send their pictures to you, good for them and they have my support, but at least you know they're making an educated decision, rather than just doing something on the whim. Whther you choose them or not, yes that's a different story, but that is just like any casting.
Also, the fact that you are a new member, sorry, but don't really have much of an option of reading your previous posts to get a gauge on what you do either. I used to work for magazines at SPH, so i know how much god damn money advertisers pay, so don't tell me the magazines doesn't have money to pay.
While I know you are probably just doing your job, and I have no intention of hijacking your thread, it's just advice and if you can advice as to why I'm not making sense (logic for logic, and not be all emotional - you are a guy right???) and why advice should not be given, why questions should not be asked or why people should just follow the crowd like sheep without using their brain of which is our most priced possession, I will leave your thread alone.
P.s If you are working for the mag that i think you're working for, I happen to know the photographer too.
Altjira said:damn, I really should check my spelling. haha. well..it's been awhile. no more five marks deducted for each punctuation/spelling/grammer error. HOORAY!
yqt, thought you going to start doing your portrait test shoots again? what happened, haven't seen pics.
