modenaslim
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And u see everyone is selling 30D~~~ 40D~~....
time for those entry level to pick cheap bodies...
time for those entry level to pick cheap bodies...
Upgrading to FF: 5D or 5D Mk II?
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Before all the upgrading to FF nonsense, ask yourself if you really know what FF is about. After 50D came out, the megapixel advantage of FF is almost gone(with good lense to utilize the 15mp ofcuz). 5D MK II will probably face the same problem with 1DS MKIII and 50D, which is the sensor outresolve the lense.
Advantage of APS-C over FF
-Utilized the sweet spot of lens, less vignetting and barrel distortion etc
-More depth, very good for macro work
-1.6 crop, very good for sports and birds(cheaper alternative than 1D)
Advantage of FF over APS-C
-Utilized the whole lense, very useful for lens with weaker resolving power
-Get free vignetting that most photog like so much:dunno:
-Very little depth, your F4 look like F2.8, your F2 look like F1.4(not actual values, but something like that).
-Amazing for portrait due to low depth.
Wide angle comparison is moot, as APS-C has a good and cheaper 16mm(10-22) than FF 16mm alternative(16-35).
If you are currently on a cam with lower than 10mp, it might be a good upgrade. But if you currently own a 5D, I not sure what advantage 5D MKII will give you unless you are planning to do wall size print.
I am still waiting for 5D MKII 3200+++ ISO raw. See how it turns out compare to a 5D 3200 raw. If the raws are similar in noise, there isnt much reason to upgrade. I am guessing the high iso low noise performance might be similar to 50D, which is that improve NR algorithm used when producing jpeg rather than improve sensor. Well, unless you are a jpeg shooter.
Basically apart from lense utilization, if you normally shoot smaller than F2.8, there is not really much difference between the two format. If are planning to buy a FF and know that you will end up cropping alot during PP, you are better off staying on APS-C and learn to frame.
Recently I just brought a 50D to play, if only this thing have 100% viewfinder and F8 AF and multispot exposure...
Advantage of APS-C over FF
-Utilized the sweet spot of lens, less vignetting and barrel distortion etc
-More depth, very good for macro work
-1.6 crop, very good for sports and birds(cheaper alternative than 1D)
Advantage of FF over APS-C
-Utilized the whole lense, very useful for lens with weaker resolving power
-Get free vignetting that most photog like so much:dunno:
-Very little depth, your F4 look like F2.8, your F2 look like F1.4(not actual values, but something like that).
-Amazing for portrait due to low depth.
Wide angle comparison is moot, as APS-C has a good and cheaper 16mm(10-22) than FF 16mm alternative(16-35).
If you are currently on a cam with lower than 10mp, it might be a good upgrade. But if you currently own a 5D, I not sure what advantage 5D MKII will give you unless you are planning to do wall size print.
I am still waiting for 5D MKII 3200+++ ISO raw. See how it turns out compare to a 5D 3200 raw. If the raws are similar in noise, there isnt much reason to upgrade. I am guessing the high iso low noise performance might be similar to 50D, which is that improve NR algorithm used when producing jpeg rather than improve sensor. Well, unless you are a jpeg shooter.
Basically apart from lense utilization, if you normally shoot smaller than F2.8, there is not really much difference between the two format. If are planning to buy a FF and know that you will end up cropping alot during PP, you are better off staying on APS-C and learn to frame.
Recently I just brought a 50D to play, if only this thing have 100% viewfinder and F8 AF and multispot exposure...
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For those talking about needing 14bit images..
It makes me wonder, how many of you guys spent $2000 to buy a proper LCD to edit the photos, and another $500 to buy a machine to calibrate it?
If you don't even have such basic equipment, what's the point of having 14bit images when your LCD can't display half the colours, AND you won't see any difference between RAW and JPG, AND your colours are going to be off?
It makes me wonder, how many of you guys spent $2000 to buy a proper LCD to edit the photos, and another $500 to buy a machine to calibrate it?
If you don't even have such basic equipment, what's the point of having 14bit images when your LCD can't display half the colours, AND you won't see any difference between RAW and JPG, AND your colours are going to be off?
sprewell
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im one of those who have those things ;p
at the end of day, not many people really care.. if the camera makers say its good, then its good.
if camera maker say XXD has got xxx technology, then avg consumers will want xxx technology in their stuff. they spent so much money on a camera, they would want everthing to be there, whether they need it or not.
that's an observation i get when i was selling cameras to the avg consumer.
not many consumer will come out and say "nah, i'm just a hobbyist, 12-bits is good enough on my screen and my occasional prints.:
in fact none of them...
That's not correct. On FF, you can go down to 15mm, 14mm and then ultimately 12mm, which is not available on an APS-C. And on the UWA spectrum, every 1mm means a lot!! :bsmilie:
In fact, the Sigma 12-24mm is about the same price as the Canon 10-22mm. Though the sigma version is slightly cheaper.
justanut
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Actually my understanding of "bits" is that it gives me more control over the amount of light i can play with. Not number of colors. Was following a Photoshop book some time back and could really see the difference a 14-bit image makes, especially if i'm playing with a b&w picture.
Anyway... Mk II Christmas prezzie pls!!! *WIFE pls see THIS* :sweatsm:
:bsmilie::bsmilie::bsmilie:
charlesleong
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NE clicks clicks
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After reading thru the review posted by the early buyers of 5D MK II.... Its definitely a big YES but albiet a distant future though.
charlesleong
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Of coz its Mk 2! Technology matters in the Digital Photography Age..
"clearly" the better technology makes me a better photographer... :think:
go for the one that suits your needs and budget lar...
$2k+ for 2ndhand 5D vs $4k for new 5D2 is a lot of money leh....
Yeah but a brand new 5D still costs over $3K which is still a lot of money too.
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