Upgrading Dilemma

[tecnica]

5DMK2 dun have built in flash, meaning you have to get an extra speedlight just to light up a dark photo.

well, i am saying this cos sometimes i just want to light up an area to get a shot done(e.g the room is very dark and i just want to see wats in there). having a speedlight for tat purpose is truly overkill for me, the built in flash is good enough, haha.

for me i think get better lens is a wiser choice, or just upgrade to 7D if you dun need the FF, the remaining money can hoot lens. then again, its your money, your choice! cheers!

 

[Edwin Francis]

Well bro for 1 of the reason it's tat I'm not really happy wif the pic quality I end up wif as in the end result is that I some how frustrated by it. Eg. the point of focus as in taking the main subject pic. It usually turns out the other then the subject is clearer when I transfer it to my pc for editing.

Before you go off and spend your hard-earned money, I'd suggest you check if your focusing problem is an equipment problem (can be corrected by Canon), or user error (can be corrected with help from other CSers). Offhand, it sounds like you're trying to kill a mosquito with a bazooka. Do you have any sample pix? Post them and let us see.

A 5D and 24-105 will give you better technical quality, but that doesn't mean better images. If you're a casual shooter, the difference is weight and bulk may just be the difference between you carrying your DSLR out all the time, or leaving it at home.

 

[qwerty628]

A jump to ff is typically a bigger learning curve. Takes more time to learn unless you spent enough time on apsc bodies and know your stuff already. Also, you will also need good lenses like 24-105 to do the 21mp of the 5d mark ii justice. Also factor in the need to buy a flash cos canon 'wisely' decided not to include pop up flash. Also the 5d mark ii uses cf cards instead of sd cards which is used on 1000d so you probably need to buy cf cards, big ones at that as 21 megapixel files are huge, even more so if you're shooting at high iso.

 

[pattanct]

i think the basis is to understand between crob & FF, and justify the needs to go FF, once in it with FF, all lenses are so expensive, not doubting your ability to buy them, but worth it?

7D or below can take nice picture too....

example, going wide, on crob we have sigma 10-20 at about $800.00? but FF have 17-40 at $1k+ or 16-35 $1800 onward....

so just think again before you go out to spend your dollars...

took with my 50D & 24-105

 

[nedy77]

the LCD display of the 5D2 is made better, so what you see on the small screen might be "decieving"

 

[roylai]

i may b wrong here but, i suggest u go take some photography courses....learn up on curves...composition....cause..other than damn good IQ on the FF camera....it does not guarantee that pictures u snap is good...unless all u looking 4 is jus the IQ...
n if its the IQ u r chasing....than..by all means...go forth n get it...get a good L lense too to make it justified for a FF..

 

[2evans]

Photography like anything else requires practice in order to be good at it. If you check out flickr, you'll see great photographs taken using entry level DSLRs and tons of crappy photos using 5d or 1d bodies. The person behind the camera makes more of a difference.

 

[lightning]

the logic is regardless what camera he gets, he still had to learn.

so be it 550D, 50D or 5DMKII, in the end he still got to learn.

so if he got the budget, why bother to go to 550D to learn and when ready then go to 5DMKII. Cos factor in the cost he buy 550D, sell then top up to get 5DMKII etc, along the way he is losing more money!

makes sense now?

1Ds not for me, cos i dun need such a high end cam + no budget for it. A basic full frame for me is good enough cos i only wanted a non cropped body.

May be you want to enlighten me on what you can learn from 5DM2 that you cannot learn from 550D? Any example?:think:

 

[Jango]

May be you want to enlighten me on what you can learn from 5DM2 that you cannot learn from 550D? Any example?:think:

I was going to ask tt question too.

Q for TS: Since you mentioned you tested the 5DM2 with a L lens, what lens are you pairing with your 1000D? Sounds like you have a back/front focusing problem which can be fixed quite easily.

 

[Spaniard]

Think it carefully before you buy. I was like you before.

 

[KeeFy]

Well bro for 1 of the reason it's tat I'm not really happy wif the pic quality I end up wif as in the end result is that I some how frustrated by it. Eg. the point of focus as in taking the main subject pic. It usually turns out the other then the subject is clearer when I transfer it to my pc for editing.

That would be an issue with how you handle the camera and not the equipment. Even if you get a 1Ds3, it would still be an issue. Or could be a lens focus issue.

 

[sfoto100]

Dear TS,

I am also having the thought to upgrade.. but the cost of FF is really high....

i tried to read threads related on such topics and i will share with u what i learned.

FF's features:

1. depth of field is more shallow than crop
2. lesser noise (this is important when u shoot in low light and w/o flash)
3. your prime lens work at the specified focal length... i am not sure if this is considered a unique feature offered by FF or not... but i tend to think they all these 50mm, 85 mm primes are there for a reason...
4. your prime will give u a more shallow dof, this is like point 1.





as for IQ, i am not sure... but perhaps it is only visible when u look at 100%... sabee mentioned that he didn't see any difference in IQ when he upgraded to 5Dmk2

as for printing , the sensor size does not matter, what matters is the resolution... so 21m pixels allows u to print larger than 15m pixels

hi all, pls feel free to add more or comment if u think my thoughts are not correct. all forms of debate will help readers of this thread.

 

[sfoto100]

hi TS,

i forgot this... imho.. don't buy 5d mk2... it will be replaced soon.... if u die die must buy ff, get the 5dmk3 when it releases..

 

[auden09]

can you explain how the picture is "much better" when you use a 5d mark II versus a 1000d?

if you can't explain it, then it's probably the usual disease rearing its ugly head - "if i buy more expensive equipment, i will take better pictures".

at the very least, i'll give you that buying expensive equipment yields better image quality. also, it is your money. but it will not make you take better pictures until you work hard at it.

i believe its the LCD thats giving TS the illusion. hehe...

 

[neech7]

Taking photos is half the fun, playing with the toy is the other half I guess.:bsmilie:

Very refreshing opinion.

 

[neech7]

5D2 does not trump the lesser models in every aspect. It is inferior to the 7D and 50D in burst rate and AF. Just like Ferrari beats the typical family car in almost every way, but you have to live with the fact that it has only two seats and gets really poor gas mileage.

 

[KeeFy]

hi TS,

i forgot this... imho.. don't buy 5d mk2... it will be replaced soon.... if u die die must buy ff, get the 5dmk3 when it releases..

No one knows when it's going to be launched. Most people are hopeful for mid next year or late next year. That's a long way to go. Then comes the bit where the first few months are for the "ginuea pigs" to test it out. Typically with canon fashion, would take about 3 or 4 mths to resolve.

Carry on waiting, or buy one now to use? Technology will always change. If you're going to wait for technology, time won't wait for you still. The few mths to years of waiting can be better spent rather than waiting around just to have the latest gizmo. It WILL get replaced at the end of the day. Just grab the cam and shoot i say!

 

[neech7]

hi TS,

i forgot this... imho.. don't buy 5d mk2... it will be replaced soon.... if u die die must buy ff, get the 5dmk3 when it releases..

Alternatively, if TS really wants to dabble in FF, he can consider getting a used 5D classic.

 

[Anthony Lee]

TS, learn your 1000D as it shud take very good photos regardless of the which lens kit you use. The day you learn to control your 1000D you will realise how important you are behind your camera. If you are still shooting at auto or any of the programmed modes, you are letting the camera to control you. Switch to M mode and you will learn faster. There is no short cut and buying a new camera now will not help you.

 

[sinned79]

May be you want to enlighten me on what you can learn from 5DM2 that you cannot learn from 550D? Any example?:think:

the main difference is crop factor and FF factor for me.

before when i am using 450D, i am so used to the focal length on my cropped body with my lens.

after i switch to FF body, everything grows wider, a 50 is a 50, not 85 anymore, a 85 is 85, not 135 anymore.

composition wise, i need to start all over again to fill up some extra gaps since now everything is wider.

i also appreciated my 17-40 now on my FF since at 17 is it is really 17. Then i also had to learn cope with the problems that 17 will gave on FF, that is distortion, how to correct it etc.

There is always something new to learn for each new body u upgraded.

I am not a night shot person but since 5DMKII produces better noise control as compared to 550D. For those who is keen in night shoot will be more keen then before since this body can control the noise better and ppl like me tends to appreciate night shoot more then ever.