Why do you need to eliminate G lenses? Just get AF-S DX G lenses, then you know you won't want to use them on your manual cameras anyway.. ;p
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Why do you need to eliminate G lenses? Just get AF-S DX G lenses, then you know you won't want to use them on your manual cameras anyway.. ;p
Like Isisaxon, why would you want to eliminate the G lens? is it because you still want to use it on your FM2?
Its one thing to salivate over the high-end pro lenses, but it doesn't matter then, if you know you won't buy them because you won't be able to use them. ..
As you say, wait and save until you cannot wait anymore, and then buy that lens you want. It would be better than just owning lenses for the sake of owning lenses. After all, we just want to take that photo. You seemed to know and have already decided on your lens too, which is good. then you won't need to waste money. :thumbsup:
Mechanical body certainly is cheaper and last longer than digital ones.
For me, the 36-342 is not wide enough. It really depends on your genre of photography. I can understand the versatility, as I use the 18-200. :bsmilie:
Hi guys! Reviving my old old thread.
Now that the D90 is released in US, I'm reading rather different opinions of its high-ISO noise performance.
It's using CMOS sensor so supposedly will have much better noise control compared to D80 right? But some sample shots taken by some guy in US (who owns both D80 and D90) shows that the D80 IQ is really much better than D90. For every Nikon fan's sake, I hope that it's just an isolated case. Otherwise, D90 is just another gimmicky dSLR with its movie mode.
Anyways, during the past couple of months of reading and researching, I made myself look into less common brands, and I "discovered" the Pentax K20D. On paper (screen, rather), its specs are almost phenomenal to me! If I were just stepping into the SLR world, I'd pick it over D80 anytime. Granted, it's much newer than the D80, but feature-wise, I'm even having trouble picking the D90 over the K20D. What attracts me is:
-Live view (which D90 has too)
-Image Stabiliser (can't remember off-hand if D90 has that, don't think so)
-14MP (D90's 12MP right? Crap, sorry for being too lazy to look it up right now)
-wider ISO range (100-6400 cf D90's 200-6400)
-Timelapse recording!!! (something I've been intrigued with for quite some time)
The thing is, are they comparable? As in, are they the same class of camera?
My reasoning to look at other brands is coz I only have a couple of Nikon lenses, and if I really wanted to re-use those lenses (which aren't the best optically anyways), I can always get an adaptor for F-mount to KAF2. The only thing that's pulling me to D90 is the super-high resolution and larger LCD screen. 920,000 dots! My gosh!
Oh, by the way, D60 is beginning to look really quite handicapped. =P Sorry...
Any thoughts, guys (or girls too)?
Now that the D90 is released in US, I'm reading rather different opinions of its high-ISO noise performance.
It's using CMOS sensor so supposedly will have much better noise control compared to D80 right? But some sample shots taken by some guy in US (who owns both D80 and D90) shows that the D80 IQ is really much better than D90. For every Nikon fan's sake, I hope that it's just an isolated case. Otherwise, D90 is just another gimmicky dSLR with its movie mode.
Anyways, during the past couple of months of reading and researching, I made myself look into less common brands, and I "discovered" the Pentax K20D. On paper (screen, rather), its specs are almost phenomenal to me! If I were just stepping into the SLR world, I'd pick it over D80 anytime. Granted, it's much newer than the D80, but feature-wise, I'm even having trouble picking the D90 over the K20D. What attracts me is:
-Live view (which D90 has too)
-Image Stabiliser (can't remember off-hand if D90 has that, don't think so)
-14MP (D90's 12MP right? Crap, sorry for being too lazy to look it up right now)
-wider ISO range (100-6400 cf D90's 200-6400)
-Timelapse recording!!! (something I've been intrigued with for quite some time)
The thing is, are they comparable? As in, are they the same class of camera?
My reasoning to look at other brands is coz I only have a couple of Nikon lenses, and if I really wanted to re-use those lenses (which aren't the best optically anyways), I can always get an adaptor for F-mount to KAF2. The only thing that's pulling me to D90 is the super-high resolution and larger LCD screen. 920,000 dots! My gosh!
Oh, by the way, D60 is beginning to look really quite handicapped. =P Sorry...
Any thoughts, guys (or girls too)?
Geez. You should just get something and fall in love with photography.... not so much on the gear.... I think each of the camera has it's pros and cons, question is whether you need the features.
If you had procrastinated on buying the next cam for several months, perhaps you don't really need one right now ? Mebbe you need to wait for your old prosumer to really conk out.
If you had procrastinated on buying the next cam for several months, perhaps you don't really need one right now ? Mebbe you need to wait for your old prosumer to really conk out.
Haha! That's true. Yes, I've been procrastinating all this while. But I haven't been unproductive. My excuse was coz the D80 was pretty old so I wanted to see what the "replacement" had to offer. Besides, procrastinating gives me time to save money! Yay!
And oh, I haven't been using my FZ20 much lately... been playing with my FM2n and film more... It feels really quite restrictive to stick with one ISO for 36 shots, after being used to instant ISO change on digital cams... so ya, still enjoying the film body for now. =)
And oh, I haven't been using my FZ20 much lately... been playing with my FM2n and film more... It feels really quite restrictive to stick with one ISO for 36 shots, after being used to instant ISO change on digital cams... so ya, still enjoying the film body for now. =)
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You mean you still haven't got it? You can really hold your temptations well!:bsmilie: You have wished that the price of D60 would come down, well, it may dipped to the $800 region, but now you have another contention - the D90!
It never ends bro. If you think you're going to get the best suitable camera, there'll always be the next best. Just get what you want and experiment it along the way.
It never ends bro. If you think you're going to get the best suitable camera, there'll always be the next best. Just get what you want and experiment it along the way.
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I only need 4 lens
50mm f/1.8
12-24 f/2.8
24-70 f/2.8
70-200 f/2.8
50mm f/1.8
12-24 f/2.8
24-70 f/2.8
70-200 f/2.8
As a D80 user myself, I would choose D80 over D60 due to the range of lenses. Cos the limitation of lenses is costly too.
Haha I am in the same situation 6 months again:debating buying between D60 and D80. Luckily my best pal manage to persuade me to buy D80.
Initially, I do not wish to spend so much at all, but after getting my D80, I think I made a good choice and I am contented with it.
Ever since the Comex last month where I had tried both D300 and D700, now I am saving up for D700 again.... Haha BBB!!!
Haha I am in the same situation 6 months again:debating buying between D60 and D80. Luckily my best pal manage to persuade me to buy D80.
Initially, I do not wish to spend so much at all, but after getting my D80, I think I made a good choice and I am contented with it.
Ever since the Comex last month where I had tried both D300 and D700, now I am saving up for D700 again.... Haha BBB!!!
Haha! If this is called witholding temptation... =) I just wanted to make sure the dSLR I get will last me at least 5 years... and though I liked the D60 alot for its size, I also feel that it's kinda limiting in terms lens selection. I mean, I'm ok with manual focus, but I would at least want some metering. And actually, even the D80 cannot meter with AI or AIS lenses. Only D300 and above can.
I know it'll never end if I keep looking at the newest contender. In the past, I only looked at Nikon thinking that I could share lenses with my film body. But I realize that actually I won't do as much shooting on my film as I would a digital, so I'm willing to look at other brands for a change. Now my dilemma is not between D60, D80 and D90. It's between D90 and Pentax K20D. I decided I should not just look at size to limit my choice of camera. Ultimately, it's the functions that count...
K, I know I'm asking in a Nikon sub-forum, but the K20D really has got some really nice specs AND reviews. Only thing is lens selection and service support... As far as I know, Singapore doesn't really have service support by Pentax right?
I know it'll never end if I keep looking at the newest contender. In the past, I only looked at Nikon thinking that I could share lenses with my film body. But I realize that actually I won't do as much shooting on my film as I would a digital, so I'm willing to look at other brands for a change. Now my dilemma is not between D60, D80 and D90. It's between D90 and Pentax K20D. I decided I should not just look at size to limit my choice of camera. Ultimately, it's the functions that count...
K, I know I'm asking in a Nikon sub-forum, but the K20D really has got some really nice specs AND reviews. Only thing is lens selection and service support... As far as I know, Singapore doesn't really have service support by Pentax right?
Wow, 3 of the 4 lenses are pretty expensive if you are going Nikkor Lenses all the way.
But if you are willing to go the third party lens direction, 12-24 f/4 from Tokina, 24-70 f2.8 from Sigma and the 70-200 f/2.8 from Tamron are viable solutions, the only thing is the Tokina and the Sigma requires the built-in motor drive in body. I reckon this feature did become an important criteria imho.
It is true that the D80 is a little long in the teeth, but as a D80 user myself since June 08, the price-feature combination can't be beat imo.
My suggestion would be to buy the camera you as a user wanted most, once the camera is in your hands, you will forget about all the reviews you read and try just concentrate on the photography itself.
Well, there will always be limitations within a certain budget. If you are concern about this, then the D60 will cause even more areas of concern.
The K20D is also a good camera, but a smaller user base means more cost in lenses, less selection from even third party lens makers.
Six-GHz
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A dSLR can definitely last 5 years, it's our wandering hearts that couldn't! :bsmilie:
Used to own a film Pentax K1000 before, so I was contemplating the K100D before I got my D40. But I don't like its menu presentation, but that's just me.
why 12-24? 14-24 is much better! esp if you are into FF.
You seem to have the 'paralysis by analysis' syndrome. I think the D60 is fine as a first DSLR camera. WIth its sensor cleaning capabilities, it practically maintains itself. No need to send for periodic cleaning ever so often.
Lens wise, Nikon and the third party makers are slowly but surely increasing the range of lenses that the so-called 'entry' level cameras can use. Look at the new line up from Tamron, all targeted at the D40, D40x, D60 user. Nikon too, starting to put AFS motors (AFS50mm f1.4!) even in their primes. The choice will only increase in the years to come. With the advancing technology, the newer lenses are wonderful optical marvels (even third parties).
As for me, i just sold my D70 in anticipation of the D90. And IMHO, i don't think the CMOS sensor of the D90 will lose out to the CCD of the D80 in terms of IQ. BUT, while waiting for the D90, i got myself a second hand D60 body to play with and guess what? I'm keeping it! Pushes back my need for the D90 such that i can wait for the D90 to be released and its price to stabilise and the problems that tend to crop up with first batches export sets to be resolved (hopefully not - thinking of the D200 and FZ18 issues here).
Get the tool and learn to use it well.
i started out with the fz5 since panny cams got poor iso performance so no choice also have to stick to lowest iso all the time.
so far having bought the d40, i find is not the cam that limits the user but the user that limits the usage of the cam.
whatever cam body you decide to get, there is always the need to work around problems.
so far having bought the d40, i find is not the cam that limits the user but the user that limits the usage of the cam.
whatever cam body you decide to get, there is always the need to work around problems.
Well, I went on the Nikon bandwagon cos you won't be wrong. Actually, you won't be too wrong with Canon as well. Heh... Not so sure about Pentax though, but the comments above about lens selection is definitely true. I figured no matter how good your body is, a lens would determine a large part of the quality of your photo, so a larger selection does help, especially with $$wise.....
A fren from Canon swapped over to Nikon recently. Reason is the price of lenses for Nikon is better, so much so that buying the Canon lenses will actually allow her to buy all the similar Nikon lenses AND still afford a D300. Just very happy to know that.
I am sure Pentax makes decent cameras too, and so does Samsung, Ricoh, etc etc.... question is the knowledge base on the Nikons and Canons are so much more than all the rest, hardware wise of course. And 3rd party lenses would definitely give me more options !
All the same, just curious, if you are still shooting with your film (and not so much on your prosumer), wouldnt going DSLR (Whatever the brand) save you a bundle $$ ? It was this thought that drove me from Canon film to digital whatever. Ha....
A fren from Canon swapped over to Nikon recently. Reason is the price of lenses for Nikon is better, so much so that buying the Canon lenses will actually allow her to buy all the similar Nikon lenses AND still afford a D300. Just very happy to know that.
I am sure Pentax makes decent cameras too, and so does Samsung, Ricoh, etc etc.... question is the knowledge base on the Nikons and Canons are so much more than all the rest, hardware wise of course. And 3rd party lenses would definitely give me more options !
All the same, just curious, if you are still shooting with your film (and not so much on your prosumer), wouldnt going DSLR (Whatever the brand) save you a bundle $$ ? It was this thought that drove me from Canon film to digital whatever. Ha....
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it depends on the canon/nikon lens you talking about, some examples where the canon equiv lens is much cheaper than the nikon. c10-22 vs n12-24(canon is optically better and wider), and c17-55IS vs n17-55(optically seems close but canon offer IS at a much lower price)Well, I went on the Nikon bandwagon cos you won't be wrong. Actually, you won't be too wrong with Canon as well. Heh... Not so sure about Pentax though, but the comments above about lens selection is definitely true. I figured no matter how good your body is, a lens would determine a large part of the quality of your photo, so a larger selection does help, especially with $$wise.....
A fren from Canon swapped over to Nikon recently. Reason is the price of lenses for Nikon is better, so much so that buying the Canon lenses will actually allow her to buy all the similar Nikon lenses AND still afford a D300. Just very happy to know that.
I am sure Pentax makes decent cameras too, and so does Samsung, Ricoh, etc etc.... question is the knowledge base on the Nikons and Canons are so much more than all the rest, hardware wise of course. And 3rd party lenses would definitely give me more options !
All the same, just curious, if you are still shooting with your film (and not so much on your prosumer), wouldnt going DSLR (Whatever the brand) save you a bundle $$ ? It was this thought that drove me from Canon film to digital whatever. Ha....
Sure, of cos, I won't disagree with you. Well, different ppl will have differing opinions, but what I said is the comments from a fren of mine. I have no idea about Canon lenses to be frank, and it doesn't really bother me since I am already on the Nikon camp and don't really research on canon equivalents. Ha..... and then again, better is a relativity that is subjective..... Just like some people get Sony DSLR, some would go for Pentax, others Leica etc etc.... each brand surely has it's own appeal, otherwise they'd be long gone by now....
I aint agreeing or disagreeing about Nikon having cheaper lens, but just happy knowing that I have 2 frens jumping from Canon to Nikon.... happy, becos I am using Nikon mah. Hee....
Anyways, I am a proud owner of a Tokina and a Sigma lens, so it ain't all Nikon for me. Better includes consideration for $$kaching$$ cos I got limited supply of $$KACHING$$ and also other "vices" to feed. heh heh......
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