Underwater attack


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howeikwok

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This incident happened during my recent trip to manado/lembeh straits/bangka. I was diving the Lembeh straits with a friend on December 1. On the 3rd dive of the day at a site called Aer Perang, we were diving there to go look for the rare Rhinopias; weedy and paddle-flap scorpionfish. As we arrived on site in our boat, another boat from Kungkungan Bay Resort (KBR) pulled up alongside. Incidentally, the Asian Diver Magazine Shootout (http://www.eco-divers.com/ocean_odyssey.html)was taking place KBR at that time. Thinking that the divers from the newly arrived boat were competitors from that shoot-out, our guide decided we should wait for these diver to head down first so as not to crowd the dive site.

After a wait of around 10min or so, we descended to hunt for the rare fish. The hunt proved futile till our guides found the guides and divers from KBR who found one at 15m around a mass of staghorn corals. I settled down with my friend to wait for our turn to 'shoot' the subject and observing what the diver from KBR was doing.

He was using 2 pointers/pokers to position the Rhinopias in a certain way and seemed to be growing increasingly frustrated. How do i know that? Cause a while after we arrived, he basically threw his camera rig to his side and proceeded to try and poke the fish to the postition he desired (tsk tsk tsk i thought). I slowly inched forward and picked up the diver's camera rig as he seemed to be on the verge of squashing/kicking the camera with his legs, so intent he was in getting the fish to the position he wanted. That was when i saw the label on the camera, 'Rod Klein'. Recognizing his name from various dive magazines that i've read, I thought to myself 'wow a photopro!' (http://www.eco-divers.com/uwphotography_rodklein.html)

While waiting, our guide signalled us to another location amongst the staghorn corals where he pointed out a yellow(female) ribbon eel. So i left the Rod Klein's camera set-up at a safer distance before going over to 'shoot' the eel.

Coming back to the Rhinopias later on to wait, my friend Esther suddenly came up to me pointing at Rod Klein. Through her hand signals, it seemed that Rod Klein had poked her with his pointers and she seemed very upset. At the time, i thought he had just nudged her away, not very friendly but no real harm done. So i signalled to her that she should poke him back with his pointer. ;p

By this time, Rod Klein had turned around and pointed to me in what seemed like ' do you want to take the fish?' I signalled back that he should go ahead first. He then abruptly packed up his stuff and took off, in a cloud of silt. In my mind i thought now that's an angry man. Waiting for the silt to clear, our dive group proceeded to take a couple of pics of the much harrassed Rhinopias before ending our dive.

Back on the boat, my friend Esther was complaining loudly about how she was 'attacked'. Apparently she was hovering above the staghorns (about 1m plus in height) watching what Rod Klein was doing when he reached out with his pointers and jabbed her hard around the hip/thigh area. It felt very painful she said and when she showed us the area where she was poked, you could the beginnings of a bruise forming.

Incidentally, our mutual friend is the new editor of Asian Diver magazine and was staying at KBR overseeing the competition. So back at our hotel at bitung, esther rang our friend up at KBR to tell her of the incident. It was then we realised that Rod Klein was actually one of the judges for the shootout.

The next day our friend called up, saying she confronted Rod Klein about the incident and he claimed that he jabbed Esther because she was stirring up silt and he was waiting to shoot the Rhinopias for a long time.

Now that is a lame excuse if there was ever one. No amount of reasoning can be used to justify this unprovoked underwater attack on a fellow diver. Sure there a certain kinds of etiquette that most underwater photographers will follow. However the ocean belongs to everyone and not just for photographers and divers. And no picture is worth injuring a fellow human being over. There is always another time to take a picture if the conditions are not right.

Attached below is a photo of the bruise on Esther's thigh taken a day after the incident. Make your own mind up on how serious was this 'attack'.

 

What a jerk.

However, while his actions are inexcusable, I think your friend should not have been as close as that (i.e. hovering above and within the range of his pointer), regardless of whether she was stirring up silt or not - it could be very distracting.

But besides the stabbing incident, I have no respect for any UW photographer (pro or amateur) who harasses marine life and destroys its habitat for the sake of a photo.
 

Totally unacceptable.
 

i wonder what would happen if you posted this on wetpixel too...

can't stand divers who poke, prod, and grab creatures for photos. just like that famous 'flying' mimic octopus shot. blah
 

Poking the rhinopias is already bad enough, let alone a fellow diver.

While it might be an isolated incident, it does lead one to subsequently wonder how the other creatures were treated in photos taken by the same person.
 

post this in wetpixel!
 

What a jerk.

However, while his actions are inexcusable, I think your friend should not have been as close as that (i.e. hovering above and within the range of his pointer), regardless of whether she was stirring up silt or not - it could be very distracting.

But besides the stabbing incident, I have no respect for any UW photographer (pro or amateur) who harasses marine life and destroys its habitat for the sake of a photo.

Trust me. When you're staring through that view finder, you won't be distracted by anything. Anyway at the height above the staghorns she was hovering at, there was little chance of her kicking up silt and it's not as though she's a newbie diver finning like mad.
 

Ban the use of poker/pointer. I never use them, they are good at damaging corals only.
 

Trust me. When you're staring through that view finder, you won't be distracted by anything. Anyway at the height above the staghorns she was hovering at, there was little chance of her kicking up silt and it's not as though she's a newbie diver finning like mad.

Let me once again reiterate that I am not condoning Rod Klein's reaction to your friend.

However, please do not generalise - you may not get distracted while concentrating on your subject, but I certainly do get annoyed if there was someone hovering over my shoulder constantly while I am taking my pics. It has happened to me many times before, and it is a situation easily dealt with using appropriate (and polite) hand signals.

I'm just analysing the factors that led to this incident, and how it could have been avoided so that we can all learn from this, that's all.

Regards
 

Ban the use of poker/pointer. I never use them, they are good at damaging corals only.

Sorry.... I disagree. The metal pointer is also used as a tank banger when needed. I also use the point to keep myself from banging into coral by using the pointed end to push against rocks (not coral)...... And NO, not everyone have perfect Buoyancy all of the time. Change in U/W Current's direction could easily mess up alot of diver's Buoyancy Control.

Just because some divers misused the pointer, DOESN'T means that everyone is, will, often do so. ;)

Point to note..... some divers also use their hands to handle marine creatures.... does it means that we should 'Ban Hands' by tying diver's hand together ?? :o
 

Let me once again reiterate that I am not condoning Rod Klein's reaction to your friend.

However, please do not generalise - you may not get distracted while concentrating on your subject, but I certainly do get annoyed if there was someone hovering over my shoulder constantly while I am taking my pics. It has happened to me many times before, and it is a situation easily dealt with using appropriate (and polite) hand signals.

I'm just analysing the factors that led to this incident, and how it could have been avoided so that we can all learn from this, that's all.

Regards

Just to clarify again, Esther was hovering at a distance/height that was not in anyway close to Rod. In fact he had to reach up and thrust upwards in order to strike her. In the time taken to do that i do think that there was sufficient time for him to reconsider his actions?

Anyway the thread on wetpixel has been closed offering no further insights on Rod's version of events. In any case he has chosen not to comment on the issue. The following is Esther's PM to the moderator there Drew who closed the thread.

Dear Drew,

Thank you for you verifying the truth with Rod & Sol.

I was invited to sign up to wetpixel by Alvin as the readers don't seem to find his story legitimate. I think that the readers are over reacting to the whole issue. And i'm quite upset that you have to disturb Sol for this matter as she's currently in Hua Hin enjoying her much deserved christmas break.

Anyway, I'm grateful for Alvin for bringing my unfortunate story to light. To simplify it, the point that Alvin n I would like to make is...

1) Rod Klein is using 2 pokers to harass a marine life. Despite being a well known photographer - marine conservation doesn't seem to be in his mind

2) Rod Klein attacked another diver using his poker. Regardless of whether i'm in the right or wrong, I do not deserved to be poked so hard. It was hurting me the whole night and I'm not a person who bruises easily either.

Rod Klein is not making a comment cos he knows what he has done. Sol was upset with Rod for doing what he did and confronted him in front of other judges at KBR which he admitted to his actions. The bottom line is, readers has every right to know such things are happening underwater, even if its a so called famous photographer.

As a moderator, you have every right to close or delete any thread you deem fit. However, your actions may encourage such behavior to continue.

Thank you for reading my mail.

Esther.



the thread that was closed. http://wetpixel.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=22074&st=20&gopid=151292&
 

Well done, Esta. Those 'pro' photographer should set a good example to others. There are a thread in wetpixel mentioning how good this Rod Klein is when holding photography classes. But isn't it so surprised he become another 'mean' guy when not teaching? Sigh.... :(
 

I'm not a regular member here, but have followed your link from Wetpixel and decided to add my two cents worth because I have had run-ins with Rod Klein too, as have many other people. He is not welcome on the Aggressor boats anymore (according to Wayne H.) and you don't see him post on Wetpixel either since his little stunt where he used a fake identity to trash some demo gear that a manufacturer had loaned him. He's just a very angry, unhappy little man and I don't understand why anyone would consider him a photo pro. He's a retired school teacher who just looking for free diving. Hes not even close to being a professional. I have taken classes and workshops from many real professionals like Marty Snyderman, Dave Fleetham, Eric Hanauer, Eric Cheng, Alex Mustard, Bonnie Pelnar, and have met many others. They are pros and they act like pros and would never do anything like what Rod did. I have heard Rod bad-mouth his sponsors, other real pros, workshop participants and the resorts who he somehow convinces to let him come in for free.

Be be sure to pass along your complaint about him to all those people who have organized his being there in the first place. They need to know about this. Don't blame all the pros for what Rod did. Most of them are really great people who love to share their knowledge and techniques.

Mike
 

Woah.. some happening at lembeh, turn of the idiot's air next time
 

Thats a very bad behavior to a fellow human being, no matter what happen you can't touch the other person. I guess this is an assault on land if he did that on me I am sure I will show him my dive knife :sticktong
 

Mike,

Thanks for that post.

Eudon.
 

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