To all M4/3 CSer using fast lens

[Newtoilet]

Thanks for the infor.

I still cannot understand how the prices for zoom tele fast lens are priced.
Unless is hand crafted. OK. Case close. Like leica so happy to tell everyone their handcraft ex lens.

But machine and not to mention others, like sigma/tamaron etc... competition will drive price to a more attractive level.

Unless I see wrongly, oly, 30-300mm F2.8 selling 23K...?



Everything about photography make sense... everything.
except this expensive fast lens...( yes yes... i sour grape... ,complaining....grumpling...I noe i noe)

 

[Prismatic]

Fast lens are expensive because they are more difficult and take more glass to build.

F.stop = f/D where
f = focal length
D = aperture diameter

Let's take, say a conventional 50mm lenses, for it to have a max aperture of f/2.8, it will need to have an aperture diameter of ard 17.9mm.
For it to be just 1 stop faster with an aperture of f/2.0, the aperture diameter becomes 25mm. The direct result is that you will need more
glass just to make a faster lenses. In the context of m4/3 systems, in order to keep lenses small, there are also additional elements in
the lenses to correct distortion and aberrations, shorten the actual focal length and gather more light.

 

[Newtoilet]

Cheers to all whom help to clear doubts.....:cheergal::cheergal:

Understand but feeling a little abit unbalanced on the priced....hahaha.
The diff is too huge... most selling almost more than half the price... of slower lens of the same specs.

A layman term. if a lens can really produce a jaw breaking IQ that not a single other maker can. YES, I would get that.

 

[dradttg]

World's Best 50mm lens? Leica Noctilux f/0.95 review

Check this out, confirm fast. I was super tempted but when i saw the price tag..........

 

[Prismatic]

World's Best 50mm lens? Leica Noctilux f/0.95 review

Check this out, confirm fast. I was super tempted but when i saw the price tag..........

I used the f/1.0 Noctilux on a film camera before. It was a surreal experience using it for evening shots.

 

[pbear1973]

I used the f/1.0 Noctilux on a film camera before. It was a surreal experience using it for evening shots.

Agreed. Always so weird to see dark places come out bright and clear.

 

[Prismatic]

Anyway, back to the topic.

I borrowed a 20mm f1.7 to try it out recently, and it's a sharp lenses as far as m4/3 lenses goes. So I was
itching to try out the 25mm f1.4 summilux at TK Foto. I find it to be really sharp with nice bokeh. As for the
so-called Leica "pop out" effect, I would prefer to attribute it to the shallow depth of field rather than some
distinct characteristics of Leica lenses. I would have bought the 25mm simply for the sharp and contrasty pictures
that the 25mm produced, but the 50mm equiv. perspective wasn't very useful to me (I needed something for
landscapes and casual events). So I asked to try the 12mm f2.0 even though it was a bit out of budget. My gf
really liked the wide angle coupled with the shallow dof so I took the chance and bought it (Happy gf and happy me!).

I will post some samples when I got the time, but the 12mm f2.0 is really amazing. The good sharpness wide open
and wide field of view means that the subject will be tack sharp and stand out against a spacious background of smooth
bokeh. I will recommend the 12mm as a must-buy lenses for anyone who is serious about their photography.

 

[Newtoilet]

A layman term. if a lens can really produce a jaw breaking IQ that not a single other maker can. YES, I would get that.

World's Best 50mm lens? Leica Noctilux f/0.95 review

Check this out, confirm fast. I was super tempted but when i saw the price tag..........

I used the f/1.0 Noctilux on a film camera before. It was a surreal experience using it for evening shots.

Okok..... I eat back my words. That Notilux is off my chart. :bigeyes::bigeyes:
You guys killed me.... Haahaa think I can't even buy third hand. Fourth hand possibility. Haahaa....

 

[wonglp]

Okok..... I eat back my words. That Notilux is off my chart. :bigeyes::bigeyes:
You guys killed me.... Haahaa think I can't even buy third hand. Fourth hand possibility. Haahaa....

Btw, its manual focus lens

 

[Newtoilet]

I think prefer fast lens.
What is your thinking abt my choice? Eagerly seek suggestion lei......

Telephoto zoom lens,Zuiko 35-100mm F2.0 and use an adapter.(I cant seem to find a lower than a F2.0)
Then a wide angele M.Zuiko 12mm f2.0

Guess these safely cover the range....

When wallet get well again, finally go for a m.zuiko 45mm F1.8

Bros... i will take serious consideration of your suggestion/opioion.

 

[Prismatic]

Honestly I think m4/3 manufacturers will be resistant to making fast tele zooms because
these lens will probably be bigger and heavier than the cameras. Even for DSLRS, most tele
zooms have a maximum aperture of f/2.8, the olympus 35-100 is really an exception made
possible by the 4/3 sensor format.

Why is that a need to "cover" all the range? You should consider what kind of range you
usually shoot at and maybe be try to focus on the those range. I'm old school one, zooms
makes photographers lazy.

 

[Newtoilet]

Honestly I think m4/3 manufacturers will be resistant to making fast tele zooms because
these lens will probably be bigger and heavier than the cameras. Even for DSLRS, most tele
zooms have a maximum aperture of f/2.8, the olympus 35-100 is really an exception made
possible by the 4/3 sensor format.

Why is that a need to "cover" all the range? You should consider what kind of range you
usually shoot at and maybe be try to focus on the those range. I'm old school one, zooms
makes photographers lazy.

Put it this way.. having a zoom tele is like condom.
Is good to have it and not use it, rather than need it but don't have it.

I most of the time never go up that far either. my last,at most go to 50 or 60mm on my canon zoom lens.

 

[Diginaut]

I suggest that you assess your need for the Zuiko 35-100mm again as it is not cheap to buy.
The money you are willing to put down for this lenses is sufficient for you to buy a few pieces of native m43 primes, i.e, the trinity of 12mm, 25mm and 45mm. Then wait for the soon to be released 75mm.
Unless you have specific need for the 35-100mm which only you will know.

 

[Newtoilet]

I suggest that you assess your need for the Zuiko 35-100mm again as it is not cheap to buy.
The money you are willing to put down for this lenses is sufficient for you to buy a few pieces of native m43 primes, i.e, the trinity of 12mm, 25mm and 45mm. Then wait for the soon to be released 75mm.
Unless you have specific need for the 35-100mm which only you will know.

Thank you for the advise... Serious noted.

You are right. with the cost,3 can be bought.

My thinking is if 1 can fullfill 3 seperate lens, than go for the 1 zoom tele for all.
Save the trouble to keep swopping, as my relatives always suan me look so professional take so "big camera" so slow....hahahaha

Btw, wat do you mean by specific needs...

Well.... we always find a smarter way for doing thing, aren't we...hehehe. tks again

 

[trelch]

The holy trinity of the micro 4/3 lenses are Olympus 12mm/f2.0, lumix 20mm/1.7 and the Olympus 45mm/1.8, according to Steve Huff, and i totally agrees with him.
I like the 20mm, as it is not as tight in street photography as the leica 25mm, and is bright and sharp and very light pancake.

In his blog, Tyson Robichaud described 2 sets of Holy Trinity lenses, for set for the budget conscious, and another set for the money is no issue.
http://tysonrobichaudphotography.wo...size-of-the-boat-its-the-motion-in-the-ocean/

Holy trinity for budget conscious:
Panasonic 14mm f/2.5
Panasonic 20mm f/1.7
Olympus 45mm f/1.8

Holy trinity for the money is no issue:
Olympus 12mm f/2.0
Panaleica 25mm f/1.4
Panaleica 45mm f/2.8 OIS Macro

With these sets of prime, you can effectively cover Landscape, Street photography and Portraiture, day and night.

 

[Diginaut]

Thank you for the advise... Serious noted.

You are right. with the cost,3 can be bought.

My thinking is if 1 can fullfill 3 seperate lens, than go for the 1 zoom tele for all.
Save the trouble to keep swopping, as my relatives always suan me look so professional take so "big camera" so slow....hahahaha

Btw, wat do you mean by specific needs...

Well.... we always find a smarter way for doing thing, aren't we...hehehe. tks again

When I said specific needs, I mean using in outdoors and wet weather, namely sports photography where you need a fast lens.
Bear in mind that the Zuiko 35-100 f2 has a weight of about 1.8kg. Normally for professional use. I watched professional photographers covering Formula One car races carrying at least two camera bodies and some even three bodies with different lenses attached for different situations. I saw one with a 200mm prime attached to a FF body just to shoot drivers in the pit garages.
So if we are only taking family photos, I rather let them comment and joke about the 'pro-ness' of my equipment. Maybe, you can justify carrying 2 camera bodies with different lenses.....

 

[pbear1973]

You'd probably get much better IQ with 3 primes than a single zoom though. And I'm talking about IQ difference that can be seen, not pixel peeping.

Thank you for the advise... Serious noted.

You are right. with the cost,3 can be bought.

My thinking is if 1 can fullfill 3 seperate lens, than go for the 1 zoom tele for all.
Save the trouble to keep swopping, as my relatives always suan me look so professional take so "big camera" so slow....hahahaha

Btw, wat do you mean by specific needs...

Well.... we always find a smarter way for doing thing, aren't we...hehehe. tks again

 

[JW73]

IMHO---The power of m4/3 at this moment are their fixed focal bright lens. They are small and light which is much intend for the smaller bodies of m4/3. If Panasonic can make a 35-100mm at a big aperature and the size can remain relatively small, I'll saluate them.
Look at some of the zooms for APS_c mirrorless ..they are as big as the DSLR conterparts.

 

[wonglp]

The ZD 35-100/F2 is too big, too heavy, too slow AF, and put too much strain on the adapter. The best option is to wait for the Panasonic X 35-100/2.8, albeit less bright, but would be more usable than 35-100. As for the IQ, not sure as it's not launch yet, though ZD 35-100 is a class of its own.

 

[Newtoilet]

Hi all Bros,

Thanks for all.... Lucky ask here first....
Thanks for pointing out so much... I complete forget abt the weight.

No joke hang additional dead weight on the neck. Shag after a day of outing.
Well unless I shoot for a living, if not holding a 1.8kg walking abt ... boring...