Expat yorkshire
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i wouldn't really recommend x100 for a beginner.
thinking of buying a x100 or similar for my gf need advice
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ShaneKua
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Expat yorkshire said:
I agree, every single PnS user who has seen me use my X100 has fallen in love with it, only to quickly fall out of love with it after they tried taking pictures with it.
Here are some interesting quips about the X100 from the said users.
"what? No zoom? What good is this?!?"
"why cannot focus??" (when trying to shoot close up)
"how come my pictures so dark/light??" (I shoot manual)
"this camera is nice, but too poorly designed."
"so expensive also cannot change lens?? I might as well buy a DSLR!" (me: *shakes head sadly*)
"only has f2.0! my camera(samsung ex1) better, has f1.8!!" (me: *facepalm*)
wilswong
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Shane...the camera is too expensive so people compare with DSLR which doesn't make sense since getting something similar to the x100 will cost even more in DSLR.
It is small so it is compared to a PNS.
Zoom is over rated for most shots. I would suggest people go look through their photos and see how many shots are really zoomed in. Even my A540, i always use wide to make full use of wider aperture.
When people cannot take pictures, they blame the camera. Is like that one because technology has make them feel more skilled than they really are. Human behaviour is to cover up weakness by blaming.
Only one thing to do, show them the photos being taken.
konchan69
Senior Member
Hmm.. I rarely post in threads like this but this topic has sparked off my eagerness to contribution so I shall share some honest things about what I like about the x100 and hate about it...
Just a brief introduction of my gears, currently using a 5dmk2 and a few lenses.
First thing about this cam that catches your eyes has to be the retro look but this camera isn't just one that is only pretty to look at but the images that come out of it are pretty damn awesome (the noise control is very good on this cam, I haven't done a side to side comparison with my dslr but what I can safely say is that it is comparable to maybe the entry level dslrs (I was previously using a 550d) and the noise control and IQ is definitely better than the S95 (which I gave to my gf after I got the x100) so in terms of IQ, this is really a remarkable camera (Im pretty much awed by the noise control actually for a compact because ISO 1600 on my s95 previously gave me really crappy results)
The reason for the fixed lens on this camera according to Fujifilm is because they hoped to yield the best IQ out of the DSLR-sized sensor in the X100 so they chose a common-and-friendly focal length (35mm) for this camera with a fixed 2.0 aperture (when coupled with the superb noise control, this camera is pretty imba for the price and size). They have designed this camera for those that like street-shooting (with the silent shutter mode) and the fixed focal length means that you have to get really up-close with the human subject you're taking to promote some sort of interaction and bonding..(since some pple treat photography as a spiritual bonding thing u noe)
Ok, so I shall now talk about the bad stuff about this camera. I bring this camera out whenever i go out with my frens or gf or wadsoever to capture any interesting moments that could occur day-to-day. What I truly dislike about this cam is that the AF pisses me off at times in low lighting situations (even the AF assist beam doesnt help in locking the focus) so I have to attempt to re-focus many times due to the inability to lock-on my subject. Oh gawd, the RAW file writing speed is uber slow... pls don use the given class 2 SD card with the cam because it will only serve to make ur x100 experience crappy (Im personally using a 16gb class 10 SD card and still find it pretty slow, like about 1.7 sec writing speed while shooting raw but if you don intend to shoot RAW, JPG writing speeds are reasonable). From approximately 10-40~50 cm, the macro mode must be toggled and OMG THE AF SPEED IS EVEN SLOWER and thats the sian part. So imagine if u were to go Macdonalds and sit at those two person table while you and your fren are sitting right across each other, u have to toggle macro mode due to the very short distance btw the two of you and the AF is damn slow! Unless u intend to use manual mode rangefinder style i guess it would be faster but the ring in front shifts the electronic distance scale v sluggishly to the pt that u rather press the AEL/AFL button beside the LCD for the camera to auto-set the distance for you then finetune urself (which defeats the purpose of the rangefinder concept of the x100).
After saying so much, hope that the information above has helped you have a rough idea of what to expect before you get the x100. I have just recently told my fren that if I were given a choice to choose only one camera, an x100 or a DSLR. I would not hesitate for a moment and choose the DSLR, an x100 is not what I can survive with solely but it would make a good companion to a DSLR (I believe you wouldnt want to bring your dslr out to every minor gf-bf outings cos its damn heavy then not portable oso)
Perhaps I might get some of the facts wrong so pls feel free to comment (not flame) my post. I still love my X100 dearly as can be testified by how worried I was earlier on when it failed to turn on because the filter was attached too close to the lens in macro mode
Just a brief introduction of my gears, currently using a 5dmk2 and a few lenses.
First thing about this cam that catches your eyes has to be the retro look but this camera isn't just one that is only pretty to look at but the images that come out of it are pretty damn awesome (the noise control is very good on this cam, I haven't done a side to side comparison with my dslr but what I can safely say is that it is comparable to maybe the entry level dslrs (I was previously using a 550d) and the noise control and IQ is definitely better than the S95 (which I gave to my gf after I got the x100) so in terms of IQ, this is really a remarkable camera (Im pretty much awed by the noise control actually for a compact because ISO 1600 on my s95 previously gave me really crappy results)
The reason for the fixed lens on this camera according to Fujifilm is because they hoped to yield the best IQ out of the DSLR-sized sensor in the X100 so they chose a common-and-friendly focal length (35mm) for this camera with a fixed 2.0 aperture (when coupled with the superb noise control, this camera is pretty imba for the price and size). They have designed this camera for those that like street-shooting (with the silent shutter mode) and the fixed focal length means that you have to get really up-close with the human subject you're taking to promote some sort of interaction and bonding..(since some pple treat photography as a spiritual bonding thing u noe)
Ok, so I shall now talk about the bad stuff about this camera. I bring this camera out whenever i go out with my frens or gf or wadsoever to capture any interesting moments that could occur day-to-day. What I truly dislike about this cam is that the AF pisses me off at times in low lighting situations (even the AF assist beam doesnt help in locking the focus) so I have to attempt to re-focus many times due to the inability to lock-on my subject. Oh gawd, the RAW file writing speed is uber slow... pls don use the given class 2 SD card with the cam because it will only serve to make ur x100 experience crappy (Im personally using a 16gb class 10 SD card and still find it pretty slow, like about 1.7 sec writing speed while shooting raw but if you don intend to shoot RAW, JPG writing speeds are reasonable). From approximately 10-40~50 cm, the macro mode must be toggled and OMG THE AF SPEED IS EVEN SLOWER and thats the sian part. So imagine if u were to go Macdonalds and sit at those two person table while you and your fren are sitting right across each other, u have to toggle macro mode due to the very short distance btw the two of you and the AF is damn slow! Unless u intend to use manual mode rangefinder style i guess it would be faster but the ring in front shifts the electronic distance scale v sluggishly to the pt that u rather press the AEL/AFL button beside the LCD for the camera to auto-set the distance for you then finetune urself (which defeats the purpose of the rangefinder concept of the x100).
After saying so much, hope that the information above has helped you have a rough idea of what to expect before you get the x100. I have just recently told my fren that if I were given a choice to choose only one camera, an x100 or a DSLR. I would not hesitate for a moment and choose the DSLR, an x100 is not what I can survive with solely but it would make a good companion to a DSLR (I believe you wouldnt want to bring your dslr out to every minor gf-bf outings cos its damn heavy then not portable oso)
Perhaps I might get some of the facts wrong so pls feel free to comment (not flame) my post. I still love my X100 dearly as can be testified by how worried I was earlier on when it failed to turn on because the filter was attached too close to the lens in macro mode
wilswong
Member
Hmm.. I rarely post in threads like this but this topic has sparked off my eagerness to contribution so I shall share some honest things about what I like about the x100 and hate about it...
Just a brief introduction of my gears, currently using a 5dmk2 and a few lenses.
First thing about this cam that catches your eyes has to be the retro look but this camera isn't just one that is only pretty to look at but the images that come out of it are pretty damn awesome (the noise control is very good on this cam, I haven't done a side to side comparison with my dslr but what I can safely say is that it is comparable to maybe the entry level dslrs (I was previously using a 550d) and the noise control and IQ is definitely better than the S95 (which I gave to my gf after I got the x100) so in terms of IQ, this is really a remarkable camera (Im pretty much awed by the noise control actually for a compact because ISO 1600 on my s95 previously gave me really crappy results)
The reason for the fixed lens on this camera according to Fujifilm is because they hoped to yield the best IQ out of the DSLR-sized sensor in the X100 so they chose a common-and-friendly focal length (35mm) for this camera with a fixed 2.0 aperture (when coupled with the superb noise control, this camera is pretty imba for the price and size). They have designed this camera for those that like street-shooting (with the silent shutter mode) and the fixed focal length means that you have to get really up-close with the human subject you're taking to promote some sort of interaction and bonding..(since some pple treat photography as a spiritual bonding thing u noe)
Ok, so I shall now talk about the bad stuff about this camera. I bring this camera out whenever i go out with my frens or gf or wadsoever to capture any interesting moments that could occur day-to-day. What I truly dislike about this cam is that the AF pisses me off at times in low lighting situations (even the AF assist beam doesnt help in locking the focus) so I have to attempt to re-focus many times due to the inability to lock-on my subject. Oh gawd, the RAW file writing speed is uber slow... pls don use the given class 2 SD card with the cam because it will only serve to make ur x100 experience crappy (Im personally using a 16gb class 10 SD card and still find it pretty slow, like about 1.7 sec writing speed while shooting raw but if you don intend to shoot RAW, JPG writing speeds are reasonable). From approximately 10-40~50 cm, the macro mode must be toggled and OMG THE AF SPEED IS EVEN SLOWER and thats the sian part. So imagine if u were to go Macdonalds and sit at those two person table while you and your fren are sitting right across each other, u have to toggle macro mode due to the very short distance btw the two of you and the AF is damn slow! Unless u intend to use manual mode rangefinder style i guess it would be faster but the ring in front shifts the electronic distance scale v sluggishly to the pt that u rather press the AEL/AFL button beside the LCD for the camera to auto-set the distance for you then finetune urself (which defeats the purpose of the rangefinder concept of the x100).
After saying so much, hope that the information above has helped you have a rough idea of what to expect before you get the x100. I have just recently told my fren that if I were given a choice to choose only one camera, an x100 or a DSLR. I would not hesitate for a moment and choose the DSLR, an x100 is not what I can survive with solely but it would make a good companion to a DSLR (I believe you wouldnt want to bring your dslr out to every minor gf-bf outings cos its damn heavy then not portable oso)
Perhaps I might get some of the facts wrong so pls feel free to comment (not flame) my post. I still love my X100 dearly as can be testified by how worried I was earlier on when it failed to turn on because the filter was attached too close to the lens in macro mode
Option 1 - Two words: Centre Focus.
Option 2 - Longer words: MF then back button ae/af to get focus...works. And best of all, do not need to switch to macro mode. I have focus in Home Club with the x100. I can focus fast, so can you.
Parka
Senior Member
Amazing and frustrating. I second this.
I've missed a lot of shots on this camera that I don't if I'm using my m43.
Low light performance is great, but if the AF can't get a focus (especially at night), you won't get a picture. period.
For beginners, definitely get a EP3 or GF3.
I've missed a lot of shots on this camera that I don't if I'm using my m43.
Low light performance is great, but if the AF can't get a focus (especially at night), you won't get a picture. period.
For beginners, definitely get a EP3 or GF3.
ShaneKua
Senior Member
The AF is sporadic around 1m close to your subject.
Flick it to manual, and use the AE/AF button to auto focus. You’ll find that the close up shots will be far easier to grab.
tomcat
Senior Member
So is having to switch to manual and autofocus using the AE/AF button a desireable feature or a deficit?
That the X100 could autofocus properly by pressing the AE/AF button in manual mode should mean that there is nothing physically wrong with the autofocusing mechanism and that autofocusing should not be an issue at all in Auto mode technically. Hopefully this could be corrected in some future firmware upgrade.
That the X100 could autofocus properly by pressing the AE/AF button in manual mode should mean that there is nothing physically wrong with the autofocusing mechanism and that autofocusing should not be an issue at all in Auto mode technically. Hopefully this could be corrected in some future firmware upgrade.
wilswong
Member
this is a point i totally agree and would require a firmware. The hardware does not seem to be the issue.
Far far away
Senior Member
FFA: bro, his original post is about Fezqu saying Sony 3 lens are crap.
I would want to highlight the original post Fezqu says..."all 3 are crap, according to reviews." So the thing is the post did say with a mixture of self opinion as well as review conclusion that the Sony Nex lens are crap.
We are here to voice opinions based on invitation by people for help.
Everyone has their own taste in equipment and every would have different tastes in terms of how they want their picture to look. If you read the statement from the point of an individual, then it is easily read that "to his taste, the Sony is crap." I can also easily say "to me, the sony is heaven sent." So just change the way we see posts and everyone will be the wiser in the end.
The camera review is not about beauty contest. It is about making the camera work FOR YOU and YOU alone (and not using girlfriend as excuse). IF we go beauty contest, I may get Megan Fox as wife, but does that mean every guy in this world would get her as a wife? No right? So why should we all say only a camera system can be better because all our needs will be different, if not ALL guys would only marry Megan Fox type of girl.
I put it this way, for one to say another one's opinion is not acceptable because it is a narrow minded statement, isn't the accusor being narrow minded too for not being all encompassing in soliciting views?
I will always based on what the camera can or cannot do to make a decision. There's no such thing as bad or good camera, there are only limited and less limited cameras but all cameras, in the end will be limited because of their feature set. And to me, the Sony don't attract me because of the image quality that "I" am looking for is not evident and then lens, camera imbalance don't work for ME. Simple as that. So don't need to go ballistic.
I understand people do take pride in their equipment because the person is the one who sacrifice money to get that equipment based on what they need and whatever information they have. Although I always say to those learning from me to try to make the camera a natural extension of the user, in the end, the camera is not the person. An attack on the camera equipment doesn't mean an attack on the person. That's where people failed to see the differences.
Peace bro...we all are here to learn.
Since we talking about NEX...here's the 7
http://tech2.in.com/news/cameras/sony-nex7-image-leaked/230492
Oops... Saw wrongly. Hehe...
tomcat
Senior Member
You will encounter this soon enough.
You will encounter this soon enough.
is it ? i try taking it direct at sun no flare wor. where u experience it
tomcat
Senior Member
Quite sensitive to flare under backlit conditions, even if the light source in the background is not very big like in this shot:
wilswong
Member
Don't expect DSLR focusing. Utilise centre focus point/recompose method.
As for flare and ghosting, have to look out for them, have to shift to another place to shoot.
