The Idiot's Guide to Printing Good and Accurate Photos


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Outstanding contribution, thanks so much! really useful stuff. Must have taken u quite a while to type all that! :)
 

Thanks Zplus and scenar!

Just went to Standard Photo to get some booth prints of a few snapshots for my mum, and was purely disgusted by its quality. The same goes for those neighbourhood labs.
 

PointBlue said:
Thanks Zplus and scenar!

Just went to Standard Photo to get some booth prints of a few snapshots for my mum, and was purely disgusted by its quality. The same goes for those neighbourhood labs.

Heh! No problem. I found that link pretty useful and your effort is commendable! Some may not know it but manufacturer's ICC profiles actually come about after they calibrate their printers based on the original inks and papers. So using original inks, original papers and the right ICC profiles, you are already getting a calibrated printout. This saves you the money to get a printer calibration device which usually cost quite a lot. All you need now is to calibrate your monitor. Of course ink batches might have slight color variations but I believe manufacturers do control the quality of inks.

I normally use Fujilabs for prints if I need to. Some of the neighbourhood ones can do an amazing job. Not easy to get a good one.;)
 

thanks for the great article.
 

ths for sharing. aprreciate it
 

wow thanks for the detailed yet easy-to-understand article :thumbsup:
 

Thanks for sharing and the effort. Good read and good job:thumbsup:

This thread should be made sticky.
 

:thumbsup: thanks for sharing
 

Well, instead of the numerous "Thank You, Well done" replies, I have a more constructive one here...

PointBlue said:

Step 2: Post-processing


When opening the image, leave the working space as Adobe RGB. If you shot in JPG and it’s in the sRGB colour space, you need to convert to Adobe RGB using Image>Mode>Convert to Profile. Note that you will lose colour information if you do so. Do all your editing and stuff, but beware not to blow out any channels. Refer to the histogram if you want to check. If all goes well, the most common printing problems stem from poor and reckless editing.
I always thought that sRGB is of lower colour space compared to Adobe RGB. So how can an upward conversion lose information? Perhaps I am wrong, but this is good for a little discussion.


Also, for doing test prints, what I typically do is to:
1. Shrink the image and reposition (in Photoshop print preview dialog, you can change the scale and move the printarea around the page).
2. Or Crop out certain area of the image (with most colour information), and repeat step 1.

In this way, you can prob do a x9 or x12 tests with a single piece of paper.
 

errr... i think many of the posters were grateful with the valuable information and felt inclined to show their appreciation with "thank you" notes. So they were simply showing their gesture and it does not have to be constructive.




spurssy said:
Well, instead of the numerous "Thank You, Well done" replies, I have a more constructive one here...
 

ianpaice said:
errr... i think many of the posters were grateful with the valuable information and felt inclined to show their appreciation with "thank you" notes. So they were simply showing their gesture and it does not have to be constructive.
Well, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic or wat, (sorry if I misleaded anyone). I was just trying to start a discussion on the topic instead.

Well, let's just roll on the topic and *peace :)
 

spurssy said:
Well, instead of the numerous "Thank You, Well done" replies, I have a more constructive one here...


I always thought that sRGB is of lower colour space compared to Adobe RGB. So how can an upward conversion lose information? Perhaps I am wrong, but this is good for a little discussion.


Also, for doing test prints, what I typically do is to:
1. Shrink the image and reposition (in Photoshop print preview dialog, you can change the scale and move the printarea around the page).
2. Or Crop out certain area of the image (with most colour information), and repeat step 1.

In this way, you can prob do a x9 or x12 tests with a single piece of paper.

Yes, you'll still lose certain colour information, but not in the form of clipping. Even though sRGB has a smaller gamut than Adobe RGB, because the values of a certain colour (e.g. lime green) in sRGB is different from the values in Adobe RGB, the conversion process requires a programming engine to "map" the colours from sRGB to the same colour in Adobe RGB. However, there are different kinds of "engines" available.

These are usually known as Intents. There's Perceptual, Saturation, Relative Colorimetric and Absolute Colorimetric. They each use different methods to try to map colours between colour spaces. More explanations of the different intents available can be seen in the following url: http://www.color.org/profile.html

Because these different conversion engines result in different effects, and even though they have the intention of accurately mapping the colours between colour spaces, you'll still get colour information that is different from what you see in the original. So, perhaps it's not so much of "losing" colour information, but that of getting a change in the hues and saturations of the colour information with each colour conversion.

To see what a blind conversion (converting colour spaces without using intents) is like, just go to Mode>Assign Profile... and set a different colour space than your current working one. You'll see a drastic change, whether it be from sRGB to aRGB or the reverse way. To use the different intents, go to Mode>Convert to Profile... and set your intent there.

Try it and see if it works for you, and maybe it'll help you understand more about the colour space conversion. In the guide I was being oversimplistic, so perhaps I should apologise for it. I highly appreciate your constructive feedback, it makes me think a lot! :bsmilie:
 

ianpaice said:
errr... i think many of the posters were grateful with the valuable information and felt inclined to show their appreciation with "thank you" notes. So they were simply showing their gesture and it does not have to be constructive.

I take all kinds of comments, whether they are that of gratitude or feedback. Each 'thank you' reply signals to me that someone out there has gained something out of the guide, and each feedback I get helps me improve next time, and spot errors in the guide, which I typed out purely based on memory (mistakes galore!). Thanks for the appreciation guys!
 

I did not know all these iccs and gamuts before I come across this thread. So I happy I did. Now, since I've just bought a colour laser printer, I guess I'd better go and read the manual.....
Thanks again. Now I know what to look out for when I read the manual.
 

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