The Canon 5D Mark III results are available on DxOMark
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avsquare
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I guess they didn't test autofocus accuracy?
they will tell you D800's AF mis-focus gives you better and creamier bokeh... never mind if the subject is being "bokeh-ed" off.. artistic abstract lah.
MechaEd
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Oh I forgot, real photographers manual focus...
spinworkxroy
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I'm not too bothered about the "tests" and the "scores".
The 5d3 is a great camera yes…
But i have to admit one thing…i wished the 5D3 sensor has a little better DR. Let's be honest..the Sony sensor in the D800 and most likely even the D3200 (Nex7 sensor), they can recover highlights and shadows very darn good…something i find the 5D sensor lacking.
It's not always that you need to recover such details if you get it right int he first place yes…but in times where you need to, you'd wich the sensor to have more Dynamic Range..that's the one "flaw" i hoped Canon improved from the 5D2 which unfortunately didn't happen.
The high ISO is indeed very impressive but at lower ISO and shooting in mJpg, i actually find no difference in IQ when shooting with my 60D vs my 5D3…even in RAW files, both are pretty similar in terms of "editability"…so yea, the 5D3 is great but…i wish some things could be better
Never satisfied are consumers hehe..
The 5d3 is a great camera yes…
But i have to admit one thing…i wished the 5D3 sensor has a little better DR. Let's be honest..the Sony sensor in the D800 and most likely even the D3200 (Nex7 sensor), they can recover highlights and shadows very darn good…something i find the 5D sensor lacking.
It's not always that you need to recover such details if you get it right int he first place yes…but in times where you need to, you'd wich the sensor to have more Dynamic Range..that's the one "flaw" i hoped Canon improved from the 5D2 which unfortunately didn't happen.
The high ISO is indeed very impressive but at lower ISO and shooting in mJpg, i actually find no difference in IQ when shooting with my 60D vs my 5D3…even in RAW files, both are pretty similar in terms of "editability"…so yea, the 5D3 is great but…i wish some things could be better
Never satisfied are consumers hehe..
yrh0413
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very practical thought. 5D3 from the way I look at it... excels in AF and high ISO performance. For those who shoots in studio/ portraits/ controlled environment 5D3 is hardly any upgrade as compared to 5D2 or even a 7D.
It is a huge jump in usability from a 5D2 user because 5D3 is a better walkaround camera with its upgraded AF. However if Canon throw in 40D/50D's AF module into the 5D2 instead of picking up the same module from 5DC things will be very different today.
80/20 rule: how often one shoots at extremely high ISO? Even if a camera delivers good results at iso 256000 doesn't mean we will set our camera to high ISO as default. We still will stick to ISO100/200 for the cleanest image we can get.
Personally I don't give DxOMark a damn as the real/true upgrade on the 5D3 is really, its AF module... and that makes all the difference.
It is a huge jump in usability from a 5D2 user because 5D3 is a better walkaround camera with its upgraded AF. However if Canon throw in 40D/50D's AF module into the 5D2 instead of picking up the same module from 5DC things will be very different today.
80/20 rule: how often one shoots at extremely high ISO? Even if a camera delivers good results at iso 256000 doesn't mean we will set our camera to high ISO as default. We still will stick to ISO100/200 for the cleanest image we can get.
Personally I don't give DxOMark a damn as the real/true upgrade on the 5D3 is really, its AF module... and that makes all the difference.
Far far away
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I'm not too bothered about the "tests" and the "scores".
The 5d3 is a great camera yes…
But i have to admit one thing…i wished the 5D3 sensor has a little better DR. Let's be honest..the Sony sensor in the D800 and most likely even the D3200 (Nex7 sensor), they can recover highlights and shadows very darn good…something i find the 5D sensor lacking.
It's not always that you need to recover such details if you get it right int he first place yes…but in times where you need to, you'd wich the sensor to have more Dynamic Range..that's the one "flaw" i hoped Canon improved from the 5D2 which unfortunately didn't happen.
The high ISO is indeed very impressive but at lower ISO and shooting in mJpg, i actually find no difference in IQ when shooting with my 60D vs my 5D3…even in RAW files, both are pretty similar in terms of "editability"…so yea, the 5D3 is great but…i wish some things could be better
Just a newbie question.. Can dynamic range be improved with the lens that we use? I am asking because I was using my 35L with my 5D2 previously and observed like Bro spinworkxroy that there isn't much difference in my pictures from the 550D, 60D or 5DII. However after using the Zeiss, the pictures just look different in the sense of the micro-contrast and details captured is just so different. I actually see more details with my Zeiss 35/1.4 compared to the 35L. Just my observation.
That said, for the DxOMark tests, do they use the same lens for all the cameras used or do they use different lenses for each camera? I think in such tests the sensor is only as good as the lens used right? :think:
Just sharing my thoughts for discussion so please don't flame me!
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MechaEd
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That is a very good question... results are dependent on the lens used too right?
avsquare
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Just a newbie question.. Can dynamic range be improved with the lens that we use? I am asking because I was using my 35L with my 5D2 previously and observed like Bro spinworkxroy that there isn't much difference in my pictures from the 550D, 60D or 5DII. However after using the Zeiss, the pictures just look different in the sense of the micro-contrast and details captured is just so different. I actually see more details with my Zeiss 35/1.4 compared to the 35L. Just my observation.
That said, for the DxOMark tests, do they use the same lens for all the cameras used or do they use different lenses for each camera? I think in such tests the sensor is only as good as the lens used right? :think:
Just sharing my thoughts for discussion so please don't flame me!
IIRC, dymanic range is determined by the sensor you use. Lens only affect the image capturing process. Different lens have different resolution power, resulting in different contrast and colour saturation and different degree of distortions etc. But the dynamic range of the intensitiy of the lights the sensor can sense remains.
yrh0413
Senior Member
DR = the ratio between the darkest "black" and the brightest "white" a sensor can capture. Lens only affects DR in terms of flare/ghosting as flare reduce contrast thus reducing DR.
Leica and Zeiss lens are known to have very good micro contrast and resolving power... meaning the photos captured have punchy/ strong colors and high contrast thus the "3D pop".
It's just like comparing the output from a 50 f/1.8 vs 50L... the L tends to have nicer color and better contrast even on the same camera body (sensor).
Leica and Zeiss lens are known to have very good micro contrast and resolving power... meaning the photos captured have punchy/ strong colors and high contrast thus the "3D pop".
It's just like comparing the output from a 50 f/1.8 vs 50L... the L tends to have nicer color and better contrast even on the same camera body (sensor).
Far far away
Senior Member
I see. Thanks for the clarifications! However am I correct to be thinking that the lens used is very important for such tests?
Cos if you couple the best DR sensor with a normal lens, what will happen to the DR? Bad, Normal, or Best DR? Or if you couple a normal sensor with the best lens, will it give the DR a boost? Or they test the sensors without a lens? :think:
If the lens used to test the sensor is important, then it is important for us to know the lens used to test the individual camera sensor in the DxOMark tests. For the best unbiased test it will be to use a universal lens to test ALL the sensors and only then can there be a basis for comparison. Hmmm... Time to go read up how they do the tests in DxOMark when I am free. :think:
Anthony Lee
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DR in this sense is more related to a sensor property. If it's made to measure a maximum of 11 stops, your can't improve on it. You should do some reading on DR because is will help you understand photography better, especially on how it is related to digital photography.
Understanding Dynamic Range in Digital Photography
guseliz
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In that case then why 5DMk2 scores less than D700? :dunno:
Isn't that 5DMk2 has much more MP than D700?
Epic question. I wonder how they will answer this
Blur Shadow
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dniwkh said:
Maybe the D700 is that good? Heh.
spinworkxroy
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It's a known fact that canon sensors are always lacking un dynamic range as compared to nikon...something I've wishes cnon would address but they never did not will they ever i guess...can't have the best of everything i
Pretty lazy on Canon behalf that after 4 years they couldn't update the sensor on the 5D3.
The D700 has better high ISO performance and wider dynamic range than 5D2. The difference is not massive. Of course, if one wants details (regardless of high or low ISO), the D700 is totally clobbered. Then again, this is unimportant for DXOMark 'cos they don't care about details. This is also why their lens test results are total garbage:
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh280/invertalon/DXOLens.jpg
The 70-200 f/2.8L IS USM Mk 2 performs worse than Mk 1??? It is universally accepted the opposite is true. They must be off their rocker! One will also notice every Nikon lens has a better rating than Canon's equivalent even if it's universally accepted (SLRGear, Photozone, DPReview, the-digital-picture) the opposite is true sometimes. Oh well... DXOMark is good in mixing lies with half-truths so it's hard for one to say when they're lying and when they're honest.
The D800 has a better sensor than the 5D3. Not massively better, but definitely better.
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guseliz
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WOW.. i just knew about their lens test result.. now i should treat their review as garbage :thumbsd:
very biased...
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