Test Images from E-410

[NMSS_2]

here are my ISO1600 samples from e330. :embrass:

100% cropped

full pic

 

[cjtune]

my observation differs.

has anyone shoot at ISO1600 or 800 in a bright environment before? go try it & you'll notice the noise is not very ugly.

since we r in the topic of noise... well lets see some noise from my E1!! :bsmilie:

It's actually pretty good in good lighting, I have observed too. But it's unlikely for me to go beyond ISO400 in good lighting to have hand-holdable speeds.
I just have two issues with the E-330's noise:
1.) Why is it blotchy instead of grainy?
2.) Why do bands come up at times (seems like E1 has it too), especially in shadowy zones.

 

[Blu-By-U]

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2.) Why do bands come up at times (seems like E1 has it too), especially in shadowy zones.

I saw that. I was about to PM you on it to check if my eye are playing trick on me or is it really banding I see. also did you notice a horizontal band across the whole picture in the background?

 

[nightpiper]

here are my ISO1600 samples from e330.

100% cropped

mine is full size uncrop, urs need to do a 100% crop then can see the noise. NO FIGHT LAH! :bsmilie:

1.) Why is it blotchy instead of grainy?
2.) Why do bands come up at times (seems like E1 has it too), especially in shadowy zones.

eehhh... becos its not a Canon 5D? :bsmilie:

actually if i'm not mistaken... answer to ur 1st questn is becos the E330 uses NMOS instead of CCD. the noise pattern is diff. when the E410 & E510 launched, u'll see the similar looking noise pattern with the E330, & if the "E-3" uses the NMOS, u'll see the same thing.

answer to questn 2 is becos my E1 is about to go up the lorry. every other mth i need to do pixel mapping, that says a lot about the CCD condition now, also the metering is behaving erractically. there wasn't any banding thing like that 3 yrs ago when i had it. i have sent it to Oly service before & believe me, i had my fair share of their service too. :sweatsm:

then again, the shot was shot at ISO 1600 with artificial boost 2+ stops later, so the noise is definitely unbeatable. :lovegrin: the Iguana was under deep shade on a cloudy day.

lets have a challenge & see who has the noisiest pic!!

 

[Blu-By-U]

E-330 and the Sigma 55-200 with the EC14.

At ISO1600


At ISO1000


At ISO400


ISO320

 

[nightpiper]

wah, ur image so small how to see noise? :bsmilie: big big la.

adding to the comments from cjtune, people dun really use hi ISO under bright sunlight shoot, so the ISO1600 test is obviously done in this way for certain agenda. so dun get too excited yet everybody, when the real thing comes then verify again.

 

[espion]

E-330 and the Sigma 55-200 with the EC14.

At ISO1600

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your SIGMA 55-200 can acquire focus under these conditions ah?

I chucked the SIGMA cos its auto focus is so slow and cannot acquire fast moving objects ... but then again I suppose there was sufficient contrast on that hot racing track ...

 

[cjtune]

your SIGMA 55-200 can acquire focus under these conditions ah?

I chucked the SIGMA cos its auto focus is so slow and cannot acquire fast moving objects ... but then again I suppose there was sufficient contrast on that hot racing track ...

Maybe he just manually pre-focused at a spot and just snapped away whenever a car passed into the focus zone? I'd do that if I have a slow-as-heck AF system.

 

[Blu-By-U]

manual focus?? It's auto focus and some are actually C-AF.

Please click on the image to get a bigger picture.

 

[nightpiper]

manual focus?? It's auto focus and some are actually C-AF.

Please click on the image to get a bigger picture.

ya i know clicking on the thumb nail to get a bigger pic. juz saying it for talk cok sake. :bsmilie:

look at the 1st ISO1600 image, the noise looked very good under bright sunlight. its an old photography trick.

 

[Blu-By-U]

Not a choice for this poor photog. In order to compensate for a dark setup bump up the ISO. at the expense of sharp photographs. Since the bright sunshine usually coverup all that noise, it was worth it. Maybe next year when the 70-300 is available, I won't have to do that.

 

[Clockunder]

wah, ur image so small how to see noise? :bsmilie: big big la.

adding to the comments from cjtune, people dun really use hi ISO under bright sunlight shoot, so the ISO1600 test is obviously done in this way for certain agenda. so dun get too excited yet everybody, when the real thing comes then verify again.

Absolutely right.

In general, too many people conduct high ISO test in the wrong light condition because they never go read and understand about dynamic range of image sensor (linear vs non-linear recording of light signal), Signal to Noise ratio, noise in different colour channel etc.

 

[Clockunder]

E-330 and the Sigma 55-200 with the EC14.

At ISO1600


At ISO1000


At ISO400


ISO320

Your shutter speeds used were mostly too fast already.

For the ISO 1600 picture, even the wheels had been freezed by a too fast shutter speed and the whole car appeared almost completely stationary.

 

[wind30]

http://www.pixelmania.nl/artikel.aspx?rubriekid=2&artikelid=454&page=3

pretty low light (f4.5, 1/40) E410 ISO1600 picture.

 

[drakon09]

Looks pretty good although I still prefer the noise profile from the E-1.

It should satisfy those who demand for high-ISO low-noise.

 

[Blu-By-U]

Your shutter speeds used were mostly too fast already.

For the ISO 1600 picture, even the wheels had been freezed by a too fast shutter speed and the whole car appeared almost completely stationary.

That was the whole intention. I wanted to see if I could STOP the car and how much shutter lag. I was at the F1 for the first time and I want to test the camera and lens.

Still could not see the words on them wheels.

 

[Clockunder]

That was the whole intention. I wanted to see if I could STOP the car and how much shutter lag. I was at the F1 for the first time and I want to test the camera and lens.

Still could not see the words on them wheels.

Pictures for races such as cars and powerboats etc. are better shot in in panning style with "slow" shutter speed (in the range of 1/60-1/250 usually) to capture the machine and driver sharp but the rotating wheels and surrounding in motion blur to convey the fast speed at which the cars/powerboats are moving and thus adding punch to the picture. The speed is conveyed in the picture through how fast the wheels appear to be rotating and how much motion blur is captured for the surrounding.

If you freeze everything, it's just as bad as shooting a stationary car doing nothing and it looks dead.... lacking in force and power and dynamism.

You may want to do a google search for racing car pictures to see how much better the picture will appear with wheels seemingly rotating at very high speed and the surrounding is motion blurred but the car and drive is very sharp.

 

[Kid Shotter]

Clockunder,Blu By U know what is pan but he is horrible at panning.

 

[Blu-By-U]

You got that right kid shooter. :bsmilie: HORRIBLE is the word.

Oh yeah clockunder, i posted them to show the ISO not to show my panning skills (which I have none) hehehehe.

espion, why shouldn't the Sigma 55-200 focus lock?? It was BRIGHT that day. In fact, I was burnt after that 3 days.

 

[Kid Shotter]

Your camera is definedly a real lemon.Can't CAF lock.My one with 40-150 can lock as long as bright and enough contrast.