tell us your dream lenses

[Artosoft]

Tao,

I have no DSLR yet. Waiting for Nikon D70s actually.

Previously, I am fans of e-300 because I thought it is true that they are better than the rest because they build up for digital from the ground. But after I think and think, I think it is not wise to think olympus better than the rest because of that. It is a long story, and I don't want to start a flame

So, stay with your camera! It is a good one, but not the best in the world!.

Regards,
Arto

 

[digitalbuff]

Tao,

I have no DSLR yet. Waiting for Nikon D70s actually.

Previously, I am fans of e-300 because I thought it is true that they are better than the rest because they build up for digital from the ground. But after I think and think, I think it is not wise to think olympus better than the rest because of that. It is a long story, and I don't want to start a flame

So, stay with your camera! It is a good one, but not the best in the world!.

Regards,
Arto

Not the best in the world nevermind, cos i m not the best photographer in the world too AND no camera is going to change that.

 

[Paul_Yeo]

dream lens is 12mm to 400mm with anti-shake technology but small and lightweight. really dream lens....dun think exist :embrass:

 

[drektster]

Tao,

I have no DSLR yet. Waiting for Nikon D70s actually.

Previously, I am fans of e-300 because I thought it is true that they are better than the rest because they build up for digital from the ground. But after I think and think, I think it is not wise to think olympus better than the rest because of that. It is a long story, and I don't want to start a flame

So, stay with your camera! It is a good one, but not the best in the world!.

Regards,
Arto

actually i would be interested in you view point. just wants to hear your part of the story.

 

[burger]

Tao,

I have no DSLR yet. Waiting for Nikon D70s actually.

Previously, I am fans of e-300 because I thought it is true that they are better than the rest because they build up for digital from the ground. But after I think and think, I think it is not wise to think olympus better than the rest because of that. It is a long story, and I don't want to start a flame

So, stay with your camera! It is a good one, but not the best in the world!.

Regards,
Arto

isn't it a bit too much to expect an entry level DSLR to be the best in the world? :think:

just like drektster, i would also be interested in your views

 

[tao]

Tao,

I have no DSLR yet. Waiting for Nikon D70s actually.

Previously, I am fans of e-300 because I thought it is true that they are better than the rest because they build up for digital from the ground. But after I think and think, I think it is not wise to think olympus better than the rest because of that. It is a long story, and I don't want to start a flame

So, stay with your camera! It is a good one, but not the best in the world!.

Regards,
Arto

What you are saying seems strange and defensive to me because:
1. I NEVER claim that the E-300 is the best in the world, let alone claim that it is better than the rest. In fact, no camera can be considered to be the best in the world. If somebody think like that, he/she is just being very myopic and just being a gearhead blinded by the marketing.
2. The E-300 has its limitations, like all DSLRs from other makes. Each of them have their strengths and weaknesses and I am not blind to the faults found in the Olympus design.
3. The E-300 is therefore not a better camera than the others. Just that for me, for the pittance I paid for it, it is good enough for my needs and I don't need to upgrade the lenses because I cannot afford to. Therefore, you can say that it is the best for me for the money I can afford to pay.
4. The truth however, is that the ZD kit lenses that comes with the E-300 are indeed the very BEST kit lenses that comes bundled with a camera. Also, the anti-dust system really works and take away our thoughts in terms of maintaining the CCD dustfree and concentrate on the shooting and changing lenses casually like we did during the film days. That, you cannot deny and these were what I was ranting about.
5. This is an Olympus forum and if you wanna partake in these discussions with some of your personal bias, whether you like it or not, you are not going to enjoy our point of views as it is quiet clear that we tend to bias towards what we own. That I admit.

And for fellow E-system users, here are 2 nice threads from dpreview to read:
Did I make the right choice..?
D70 to E-300, I like it
Once again, these are merely objective comments made by individuals based on their own needs and budget and is not trying to judge anything at all.

 

[tao]

dream lens is 12mm to 400mm with anti-shake technology but small and lightweight. really dream lens....dun think exist :embrass:

That is hard to say, that may happen when Panasonic comes onboard the 4/3 platform by launching their own 4/3 DSLR. They will likely introduce zoom lenses that have their very nice O.I.S. technology built in.

I like to think and speculate that from ultra-wide to moderate zoom, we are covered by Olympus lenses but once Panasonic comes onboards, looks very likely that they will introduce some Leica designed super zooms with image stabilisation.

 

[drektster]

it is crazy to say there is a best camera in the world, when even our pupils are not perfect.

some suffer from out of focus (short/long sighted) some suffer color blindness.

so, until they can produce eye relacement lenses and processer chip that is as fast as our brain. we would never see a perfect camera.

 

[ykkok]

Lenses do have resolution limitation. In fact, they have to up the resolution of the ZD glass for the smaller sensor. If the OM glasses are more than sufficient, I guess Oly wouldn't try a revolutionary approach to introduce a new system. The advantage of ZD lenses are, NO CROP FACTOR. If we mount OM glass on the new 4/3, there's a 2x crop factor, resulting in a slight loss of resolution.

Look at other brands for example, lots of people is saying that the new N DX 17-55mm, is better and sharper than the previous 17-35mm. Almost every maker is going into the new APS-C format, designining new lenses that are specifically meant for it. They are acknowleging quietly and slowly, that newer design is really needed.

As referred by tao, this user moved from 300D->D70->E-300,
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=14961880
Again, as said, this is not to say that E-300 is the best, but somehow, there are people who really appreciate it more than any other brands, especially he mentioned about the hard spec of start-up times.

The 40-150 is pretty good and sharp even without a single piece of "ED" ! Simply great design.
I was amazed by the 50-200mm in terms of speed, contrast and sharpness - even max tele and fully wide opened - it's really a keeper!

Went to the lantern safari last night with other friends. A mixture of cameras from KM, C, N and my E-300. I swapped my lenses more than 10 times between 14-45 and 40-150, but for most of the rests, they'd prefer not to attempt changing.

I'm happy to have such a system, upgrading from p&s, fully reaping the benefits of moving into a DSLR - especially the legendary term of "interchangeable lenses", as frequent as I want with a peace of mind.

 

[Artosoft]

Yes!!!

Today I've got D70s kit Still waiting the battery to full.

I am not against anyone here, since I hardly consider e-300 before finally I buy D70s.

What I means the best camera is probably will never exist. My D70s also is the good one, but not the best. I know it, since no camera is perfect. Photographer that understand his/her baby's strong point and weakness will make a good picture, and that's more important.

But, if you want to know my own opinion (maybe a bit bias because some review I read outside about e-300 and D70s),

The fourth third system is true build from the ground up for digital. It should be good. But it doesn't mean the rest that build on the old system is not as good as fourth third system.
As we know Nikon finally have DX range of lens as additional to the huge range of Nikon's lens. Canon with EF-S range of lens as additional to their huge range of Canon's lens.
For the body, and flashlight, it is only a matter of electronic design. So Nikon, Canon and Olympus have the same opportunity to create good body and flashlight. The lens, I think DX, EF-S and ZD come to the point that their design is optimized for small CCD sensor.

In fact some Nikonist say they prefer to use the old one (non DX lens, design for 35mm), since the old lens give better resolution, better distorsion, etc on the center of image.
For me, what fourth third system try to achieve, is already achieve by Nikon and Canon with their new Digital series lens.

That's my point of view. I don't want to start a flame please... All the system is good, but sometimes I also like to share with others their opinion.

Regards,
Arto

 

[kktan]

Yes!!!

Today I've got D70s kit Still waiting the battery to full.

I am not against anyone here, since I hardly consider e-300 before finally I buy D70s.

What I means the best camera is probably will never exist. My D70s also is the good one, but not the best. I know it, since no camera is perfect. Photographer that understand his/her baby's strong point and weakness will make a good picture, and that's more important.

But, if you want to know my own opinion (maybe a bit bias because some review I read outside about e-300 and D70s),

The fourth third system is true build from the ground up for digital. It should be good. But it doesn't mean the rest that build on the old system is not as good as fourth third system.
As we know Nikon finally have DX range of lens as additional to the huge range of Nikon's lens. Canon with EF-S range of lens as additional to their huge range of Canon's lens.
For the body, and flashlight, it is only a matter of electronic design. So Nikon, Canon and Olympus have the same opportunity to create good body and flashlight. The lens, I think DX, EF-S and ZD come to the point that their design is optimized for small CCD sensor.

In fact some Nikonist say they prefer to use the old one (non DX lens, design for 35mm), since the old lens give better resolution, better distorsion, etc on the center of image.
For me, what fourth third system try to achieve, is already achieve by Nikon and Canon with their new Digital series lens.

That's my point of view. I don't want to start a flame please... All the system is good, but sometimes I also like to share with others their opinion.

Regards,
Arto

Hi Artosoft,

Good luck and all the best with your new Nikon D70s. Do drop by and let us know how are things going with your new toy.

:cheers:

 

[kktan]

Went to the lantern safari last night with other friends. A mixture of cameras from KM, C, N and my E-300. I swapped my lenses more than 10 times between 14-45 and 40-150, but for most of the rests, they'd prefer not to attempt changing.

I'm happy to have such a system, upgrading from p&s, fully reaping the benefits of moving into a DSLR - especially the legendary term of "interchangeable lenses", as frequent as I want with a peace of mind.

Hi ykkok,

This is the main and most important reason why i select the E-System. I want a DSLR which i can change lenses as and when i like and have no worry about "what if" if i change my lens anytime anywhere.

Btw, i work in a woodworking environment with lots of dust but i still change lenses as and when i want to.

As for my dream lenses, i already have them. So i guess my next target should be the 50-200mm. If only the 50-200mm is price much lower.....:cry:

:cheers:

 

[Artosoft]

Hi Artosoft,

Good luck and all the best with your new Nikon D70s. Do drop by and let us know how are things going with your new toy.

:cheers:

kktan,

First thing I noticed D70s is heavier than e-300.

But maybe because the Zoom-Nikkor AF-S DX 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G SG IF ED lens give the weight up a lot. The body only about 600grams.

I miss the opportunity to have vertical grip like e-300. But again, nothing is perfect.

Haven't try to take a picture, night time already.

Regards,
Arto

 

[XanderMan]

You can still buy a D70 vertical grip but it is made by a 3rd party. Get the Harbortronics one, alot better IMHO.

For me, I was considering the D70 at first. Then the D70s came along and I almost got it. Before I could make the purchase I got involved in a project which used a 20D, the best dSLR we had access to then, and it got me thinking about the 20D. I almost went for the 20D as it was way better than the D70s and also $1000.00 more too! At this point, it was down to the D70s vs 20D and it all boiled down to if I was willing to part with 1K more.

Then I took stock of my photography needs, wide angle. Out went Canon. So back to d70s and then I decided to check out the other brands and stumble over Olympus. After viewing the images at http://www.myfourthirds.com/ I was in love with OLY colors :lovegrin:

I also viewed another website which had hundreds of series of Nikons and Canons images. Unfortunately there was only one E-system series, E-1. Somehow I prefer OLY and Nikon color rendition, personal preference. I even explored the Fuji S3 Pro which I feel is better then the D70s.

Then I went down to Cathay to hand hold the cameras. I prefer the bodies in the following order, E-1, S3, D70s and E-300.

In the end, it was the REAL wide angle lens that OLY had coupled with dust buster and weatherseal that made me buy the E-1.

 

[ykkok]

For me, what fourth third system try to achieve, is already achieve by Nikon and Canon with their new Digital series lens.

That's my point of view. I don't want to start a flame please... All the system is good, but sometimes I also like to share with others their opinion.

Regards,
Arto

Congrats on your new D70s. And yes, most of us don't like or to start flame wars. But somehow or rather, other camera users would always like to start something here in Oly forum.

If I'm not wrong, 4/3 is not trying to achieve like others, but rather the other way round.

In the beginning, the strongest selling point of others brands was - Compatibility with a whole range of legacy lenses and the disadvantage for 4/3 was - a whole new series of new lenses for the new system.

I was considering the D70, but whenever I collate my friends complaints about their system, then I realise that the 4/3 suits me best. My Nikonians friends told me:

1. Buy original lenses - better built and quality. You'll eventually upgrade to original lenses.
2. Buy digital lenses - smaller and lighter, so you'll carry around and not in the dry box.
3. Becareful in changing lenses - dirt is not play-play
4. Lenses are asset, body is not.

... and with my limited budget and lesser headache, I ended up with 4/3 and happy, that's all. And that's me, and my needs.

 

[drektster]

friends, i have given up on my nikon(4 lenses) sitting in the dry box.1wide,1zoom, 1macro and 1 105mm/f2.8. my olympus cannot use anyone of them. but i believe that i will let my dslr be dslr and slr be slr. so, those lens will be for exclusively for me slr camera.

i admit nikon would have been my first priority when i buy camera 2years ago. by then after using me c4000z. olympus come into the picture.

e300 is also considerably value for money. where in the world you get 2 lense and a body for less then 1700sgd?

i can still use my slr to take slides. but in term of photo quality olympus is very close to or if not match nikon.(i am comparing photo quality of nikon slr and olympus dslr)sometimes even better than nikon. so what more could i ask for?

perhaps diffierent people have a different viewpoint of a good photo. but i am loving my olympus more each day.

 

[nightpiper]

In fact some Nikonist say they prefer to use the old one (non DX lens, design for 35mm), since the old lens give better resolution, better distorsion, etc on the center of image.
For me, what fourth third system try to achieve, is already achieve by Nikon and Canon with their new Digital series lens.

not sure if the older Nikkor lens give better resolution but last i heard, everyone who has played with the old 200mm prefered the newer one with ED glass (before the crazy F2.0 ver). ok, this is juz 1 eg, so not a very good illustration.

actually, for lens quality wise, its really the other way around. Nikon & Canon r still trying to achieve what Oly has accomplished with their ZD glass from the very beginning in every aspect of qualities. in japan sometime back, both the 2 giants already agreed that for digital, u need higher rez lenses with smaller image circle & coating in all lens element so as to reduce internal reflection. this is the very reason for their introduction of EFS & DX series (same for DA & DT).

i was like u before i bought the E1. i went to pixel peep at all the available DSLR mainly Nikon, Canon, Pentax & Oly (KM was not out with 7D then). from big guns to macros to wide angle lenses. in the end i chose Oly mainly becos of the lenses & excellent overall image quality (great colour & better DR). u r free to say my eyes "shoot bird" i take no offence to that, but frankly i haven't seen any lenses from any other brand that can really take on the ZDs as of this writing. not even the latest EFS 60mm macro from Canon or the 17-55mm from Nikon.

based solely from my eyes, i see Leica is best for film & Oly is best for digital. rem nobody uses a Leica for its inabillity to go 8fps or fast AF, its more often than not, the lens quality.

no worry, nothing personal with ur views & hopefuly mine too. waiting to see ur pics posted soon.

 

[ykkok]

Actually, the 40-150mm is very good too. At 150mm wide opened, f4.5, we can get sharp from edge-to-edge. No cropping, just resized:

Another example, 14-45mm, at 14mm f3.5, resized:

The 2 kits lenses are pretty good as starters. Till now, I'm still using these 2 lenses for almost everything.

 

[Artosoft]

Actually, the 40-150mm is very good too. At 150mm wide opened, f4.5, we can get sharp from edge-to-edge. No cropping, just resized:

Another example, 14-45mm, at 14mm f3.5, resized:

The 2 kits lenses are pretty good as starters. Till now, I'm still using these 2 lenses for almost everything.

Wow!!!
Is that come from the kit lens without any an artificial light? What format do you shot? RAW, JPG, TIFF?
Unbelieveable! Ok, ZD has prove its lens' quality as a good lens for digital, even for not fast lens (not an expensive lens, that's good!). :thumbsup:

By the way, one reason I drop my choice on e-300 also because the handgrip is not deep enought. It is looks like it will sliding down if I carry only on the handgrip.

Also, the RAW produce by e-300 is very big, 13.5mb for a single shoot from 8M effective pixels CCD.
Compare to Nikon, with its compressed RAW format, for 6M effective pixels CCD, it is only 5Mb for a single shoot.
For me, (I have electronics degree) I think it is only a matter of rewriting the software to have a compresed RAW. Of course, Olympus may have others considerations such as patent, compatibility problem, etc.
But, you olympians may want to write down to Olympus to ask about it. Just calculate how much you gain from a single 1Gb CF when they can turn down the RAW file to say 10Mb/9Mb pershoot (for RAW shooter). Just my thought!

Regards,
Arto.

 

[NMSS_2]

i think most of us will still prefer uncompressed data.

different machine has different set of data in their own jpeg or tiff or even raw format. did it occur to you that that might be more data stored instead of the lack of compression? * i am dreaming, am i? :bsmilie: