Switching to sony A7 (from m4/3)

[Blu-By-U]

To the original TS,

Have you gotten hold of this A7 or A7R? if so, what are your comments? Aside from the what people say, How does the camera really feel in the real world? If you have used any of the E- system, how does it compare?

With the 4/3 system, every thing doubles. the 25mm is 50. but on that, 50 is 50. How is the price and IQ of similar lenses?

 

[pinholecam]

I am still curious about this excitement.

Why switch from a comprehesive system with a good list of lenses catered for the sensor size to one that does not or is much more expensive for pretty common focal lengths, big lenses too and no native UWA?
Likely edge issues too with UWA that sit too near the sensor (eg. RF uwa)
Yes, there are adapted lenses, but that gets back to being rather big again and no convinience of AF when one is lazy for that day.

For the MF lens or RF lens junkie (like me), I can sort of see why.
But for a full modern m4/3 person, I'm curious if this has been thought over.

 

[ayuready]

To the original TS,

Have you gotten hold of this A7 or A7R? if so, what are your comments? Aside from the what people say, How does the camera really feel in the real world? If you have used any of the E- system, how does it compare?

With the 4/3 system, every thing doubles. the 25mm is 50. but on that, 50 is 50. How is the price and IQ of similar lenses?

Bro the camera and lens is not out yet.haha but I be ready to order it once it is available cheers.

I did some comparison using the camera size app.

Sony with 24-70 is about as long as omd with 12-50 kit but longer than 12-35 f2.8
Of course weight around 200 gram more than the m4/3.

For a7 with 35mm is about same thickness as omd with 17mm 1.8.

So Interms of size ans weight seems to be good.

Iq and quality to price ratio, have to wait further for pros to comments.

 

[Oly5050]

I am still curious about this excitement.

Why switch from a comprehesive system with a good list of lenses catered for the sensor size to one that does not or is much more expensive for pretty common focal lengths, big lenses too and no native UWA?
Likely edge issues too with UWA that sit too near the sensor (eg. RF uwa)
Yes, there are adapted lenses, but that gets back to being rather big again and no convinience of AF when one is lazy for that day.

For the MF lens or RF lens junkie (like me), I can sort of see why.
But for a full modern m4/3 person, I'm curious if this has been thought over.

I'm a full on 4/3 and m4/3 person. But having owned the GF6 and the NEX5T, I thk that in terms of IQ and AF performance during video, the Sony beats both of them. IQ wise, I thk the GF6 is the worst. Yah there are some deficiencies in Sony like sensor cleaning and no IS, but since I'm only shooting family portraits and video it works way better in that sense.

 

[N-user]

I'm a full on 4/3 and m4/3 person. But having owned the GF6 and the NEX5T, I thk that in terms of IQ and AF performance during video, the Sony beats both of them. IQ wise, I thk the GF6 is the worst. Yah there are some deficiencies in Sony like sensor cleaning and no IS, but since I'm only shooting family portraits and video it works way better in that sense.

yo bro.... which Nex model you using now??? Since you shoot video, never consider Pana G6?? I am looking at various alternative also.... heard good things about Sony Nex for video.... but when I touch it.... it just dont talk to me.... hmmm.... then now with so many announcement.... hmm..... though most likely wont go back to big chunky DSLR.... but who knows..... may still consider 70D or D7100...... esp 70D.... good features, flip out screen, touch screen, simi dual axis..... the only thing is the weight and size.... :sweat:

 

[ayuready]

I'm a full on 4/3 and m4/3 person. But having owned the GF6 and the NEX5T, I thk that in terms of IQ and AF performance during video, the Sony beats both of them. IQ wise, I thk the GF6 is the worst. Yah there are some deficiencies in Sony like sensor cleaning and no IS, but since I'm only shooting family portraits and video it works way better in that sense.

For me, I dabbling in video, the dof accorded by the Sony is enticing to me.

I understand gh series is also good alternative but above all the materialistic factors is kicking in

 

[sje4182]

I am still curious about this excitement.

Why switch from a comprehesive system with a good list of lenses catered for the sensor size to one that does not or is much more expensive for pretty common focal lengths, big lenses too and no native UWA?
Likely edge issues too with UWA that sit too near the sensor (eg. RF uwa)
Yes, there are adapted lenses, but that gets back to being rather big again and no convinience of AF when one is lazy for that day.

For the MF lens or RF lens junkie (like me), I can sort of see why.
But for a full modern m4/3 person, I'm curious if this has been thought over.

Actually u are right. I am having second thoughts already. I might buy for the sake of trying and then sell off after that and keep my EP5 setup.

 

[Blu-By-U]

Agree with the short flange and stuff but then according to the promotional video (sony's at the first post), the Sony sensor have those micro lenses over each pixel to redirect the maximum light. it could be a way for overcoming the problems related to the short back.

Even the mFT does image corrections in their camera. This was seen in their early pancake lenses. The new E-m1, does in camera CA reduction.

Just thinking (more like hopeing) out of the box, Since Oly is buying the Sony sensor, and the new E-m1 uses the Phase AF built in to the sensor as what Sony was using, Would it be possible that there will be a future FF Oly using this new sensor?

I have heard somewhere, in the past, that the 4/3 lenses are big because 4/3 is suppose to have light hitting the sensor @ perpendicular. And the light ring is much bigger than the sensor. So maybe, just maybe it's possible for Oly to add a FF sensor in the future.

 

[ayuready]

Seems not very possible for oly to change format.

I think they do better remaining on this format but coming out with even smaller body, lens combination to widen the gap between it and thearger format offerings

 

[daredevil123]

What's a "troll"?

:angry:

How many times do I have to tell you to stop trolling? Despite 2 warnings, you still try to be funny.

Infraction served for each of troll posts you posted AFTER you received the official Guideline reminder warning.

Take some time off - 21 days to be exact.

 

[Akkers]

The new FF Sony Mirrorless news is very exciting no doubt but in my view we need to be a bit more objective and measured in our choices about changing systems just yet.
There are a lot of super enthusiastic photo bloggers/reviewers out there who are singing praises but i have been following Ming Thein's blogs for a while and love his intelligent, thought out views on photography, techniques and photographic tools.
Assuming, your photographic style is similar to his ( not sport, fast action etc) his choice of tools is interesting and the reasoning even more so. He gets hammered by gearheads and fanboys a lot for his views but he keeps dishing them out and countering with reason and logic. Love his style!

Anyway anyone with itchy fingers to move to the new A7s/A7R should spend some time reading his post and the comments thereafter.

As for me - until i see a decent lens lineup at reasonable prices and maybe a gen 2/3 of the body i will not make the move.
Though the gearhead in me would love to have one! but i will shoot film to remind myself i don't need it yet!


Cheers
Akkers

 

[Anthony Lee]

IMHO, any of the current mirrorless lens interchangeable camera is good enough for me. The reason I chose NEX 5N 2.5 years ago was because of my range of in-expensive SLR lenses which I was using on my Canon 5D. They are a mixture of Nikon ais, Voightlander ais, Pentax K and M lenses, good to have but not good to sell cause I will lose a lot of money. I bought into Sony simply because Sony had the best manual focus assist tools at that point in time, far far superior to what I was using in the Canon 5D. Today, if I feel justifiable, in my own context, I will buy the EM-1, because I like the looks of this little dynamite, the recently announced Fuji XE-2 basically to replace my APS-C 5N because it has better manual focus assist, plus, the Sony A7r, for maximum IQ and resolution for a few of my pretty good but in-expensive lenses. Wow, best in class from m43 to FF, why not. If I live long enough, I guarantee you that I will continue to appreciate the excellent technological advances we are making in the world of digital photography. Those of you in your 20s-50s must be thankful that you live in this era. I am approaching 70 and am hoping that I can have another 10 years of healthy life to enjoy the recent advances in technology. Just go ahead, do your maths and research, buy, but make sure you use them to the fullest, not because you think the new acquirement can make you a better photographer. In the first place, if you are not a good photographer, I don't think you will know the difference, m43 or FF.

 

[keithwee]

Seems not very possible for oly to change format. I think they do better remaining on this format but coming out with even smaller body, lens combination to widen the gap between it and thearger format offerings

Agree, I'm happy with what Oly can offer me so far haha. It's the full system of lenses and a whole lot of factors that goes into individual user experience.

Sensor size is important but it's not the end all factor. Give me big sensor , big bazooka lens end up I have to get my maid to carry also no point (joking here k)

It's more sensible to follow what one likes and enjoys rather than to chase the next big thing.

Let's see how Sony goes on & so far if u take a look at their roadmap ; they have done pretty well with the QX , RX and now A7. Every single one is an innovation and possible game changer, not something any company can brag about nowadays.

 

[ayuready]

Agree, I'm happy with what Oly can offer me so far haha. It's the full system of lenses and a whole lot of factors that goes into individual user experience.

Sensor size is important but it's not the end all factor. Give me big sensor , big bazooka lens end up I have to get my maid to carry also no point (joking here k)

It's more sensible to follow what one likes and enjoys rather than to chase the next big thing.

Let's see how Sony goes on & so far if u take a look at their roadmap ; they have done pretty well with the QX , RX and now A7. Every single one is an innovation and possible game changer, not something any company can brag about nowadays.

Ultimately photography is quite personal. Some just want snapshots and is satisfied with hp cam, some with just hp cam also can put ff user to shame.

Sometime the reason to get new gears are driven by economics and utility, sometime is just affective and feel.

For me till today even Pentax k-x my first dslr would had be more than sufficient, but I has moved on and change camp before because my needs and wants changes. Utlimately to each his own as long as not borrow loan shark to buy their gears, I have no complains .

 

[sje4182]

Agree, I'm happy with what Oly can offer me so far haha. It's the full system of lenses and a whole lot of factors that goes into individual user experience.

I want a 14-24/2.0 m43 lens!! Of course preferably 12-35 but since the zuiko 14-35/2.0 is such a monster I will settle for 2x zoom to keep the size acceptable (i.e. 67mm filter size).

 

[ricohflex]

internet going crazy over the A7/7r..

having placed a pre-order for the E-M1..
i must say i am tempted esp when the body alone price for E-M1 is close to the A7 body only price..

So did Olympus make a deadly mistake in playing too hard to get; by getting people to pre-order E-M1 and then making them wait very L..............o..............n....................g......................... and still have not yet delivered the camera.

With full frame Sony A7 lurking round the corner, what if those who pre-ordered E-M1 cancelled their orders and dumped their M43 lenses and other bodies on the resale market?

Olympus already exiting P+S.
http://japandailypress.com/japans-olympus-to-exit-point-and-shoot-camera-market-1729048/


Olympus has been predicted by some to disappear (at least in US market) by 2014. Only 7% market share and falling. Read #6
http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/05/23/ten-brands-that-will-disappear-in-2014/3/

Lastly, did the movie producer predict something?

 

[sin77]

I want a 14-24/2.0 m43 lens!! Of course preferably 12-35 but since the zuiko 14-35/2.0 is such a monster I will settle for 2x zoom to keep the size acceptable (i.e. 67mm filter size).

I want 12-24 f1.7 and 50-150 f2.0

 

[Errz]

I want 12-24 f1.7 and 50-150 f2.0

huge lens liao like that.

 

[Oly5050]

yo bro.... which Nex model you using now??? Since you shoot video, never consider Pana G6?? I am looking at various alternative also.... heard good things about Sony Nex for video.... but when I touch it.... it just dont talk to me.... hmmm.... then now with so many announcement.... hmm..... though most likely wont go back to big chunky DSLR.... but who knows..... may still consider 70D or D7100...... esp 70D.... good features, flip out screen, touch screen, simi dual axis..... the only thing is the weight and size.... :sweat:

For me, I dabbling in video, the dof accorded by the Sony is enticing to me.

I understand gh series is also good alternative but above all the materialistic factors is kicking in

I have the NEX5T. Ironically, I got into the Sony NEX because of how well the sony sensor performed in my EM5
I originally got the GF6 because I hated the AF performance of the EPL5 and EM5. Always hunting when the face already in focus. I thought with the GF6, panny being better for video, would solve the problem. Same AF hunting problem in video. And worse, the IQ in low light was not good. I decided to try the Sony NEX. Turned out that the AF for Sony during video was so much better. If the face is in focus, it would not hunt, at least not as much as the GF6 or the EPL5. Im becoming a fan of Sony. They are not there yet in terms of range of functions, but they solve a problem for me right now. Good video AF, and excellent image quality. A caveat though --- I am only using the 16 2.8 pancake lens. No way am I getting any of the other humongous E mount zoom lenses. Not my style. So only restricted to landscape, travel and some portrait and family photography. No macro, no birds, etc. And because they have no good SSWF, I try not to change any lens if possible.

 

[JW73]

I just find Olympus should just focus on the Pens and Om-D as fun and good quality interchangeable system. I just find the EM-1 is a repeat of E-1/E-3/E-5 mistake (taking on the Pro market).