Stuck between these Ultra wide.

[jdredd]

sigma 10-20 definitely a worthy contender. its F4 wide open compared to F3.5, but if you do mainly landscape etc with tripod, that really isnt any difference.

 

[jsbn]

Tokina isn't a bad choice for ultra wide.

Using it and can never be more happy with the perspective at 12mm (or 18mm in 35 equivalent).

 

[m-zai]

if money is not the concern...get canon
good quality :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[StreetShooter]

I'm a big fan of 3rd party lenses (Sigma particularly) but I'll have to go with Canon 10-22 on this one. It's been said that it's an L lens in disguise, and I have to agree with that.

 

[thw]

Although I have the Canon ultrawide and voted for the lens, I am rather surprised at the overwhelming support for the Canon over Tokina and Sigma.

 

[panzerpunk]

I see.
So do you keep the polariser on the lens always? Is it difficult to turn the CP with the hood on. Any obstruction?
I hate the feeling of not keeping a filter on my lenses. Makes it feel naked.

The hood is a crazy price to pay. Called up AP today and they told me it's around $55.
Not sure if the guys at AP smoke me or not.

No, they're not smoking you...
CP - $80 -> guy gave me $5 discount to $75.. I rejected so i went to TCW where it was slightly cheaper... Original price was $68 but they quote me $60. The hood is a must if you have big hands that like to grab the front part of the lens

 

[jdredd]

well, theres no doubt that the 10-22 is a very good lens.
BUT, its EF-S. and for me personally, because ill likely to be moving to FF in the foreseeable future, it is not an option for me. hence i would get the 10-20 sigma, which i feel is quite close in terms of optical quality.

 

[Stoned]

well, theres no doubt that the 10-22 is a very good lens.
BUT, its EF-S. and for me personally, because ill likely to be moving to FF in the foreseeable future, it is not an option for me. hence i would get the 10-20 sigma, which i feel is quite close in terms of optical quality.

The sigma is also a cropped sensor lens. No difference.

 

[Hoky]

No, they're not smoking you...
CP - $80 -> guy gave me $5 discount to $75.. I rejected so i went to TCW where it was slightly cheaper... Original price was $68 but they quote me $60. The hood is a must if you have big hands that like to grab the front part of the lens

Thanks for the info.
I was in TCW today and they quoted me $60 directly.
I do not have big hands but I'm worried about flare more than anything else. On the other hand, I'm also worried about vignetting with thick / stacked filters. Went through HK's price list, they are selling 45 - 50 bucks (depending on x'change rates) for the hood.

 

[Hoky]

The sigma is also a cropped sensor lens. No difference.

I think he meant the 12-24mm F/4.5 ~ 5.6.
I'm going for the EFS / Dii-II etc coz I love the perspective that wide (18mm equiv) can offer and I can't afford a full frame now.
Moreover, I think that crop factor cameras will be staying for a very long time.

Why?
In the long run, full frame cameras will be staying bulky (thanks to law of physics... ) and I don't think I'll be carrying one around for traveling (esp to third world countries where the customs always give problems).

 

[panzerpunk]

Thanks for the info.
I was in TCW today and they quoted me $60 directly.
I do not have big hands but I'm worried about flare more than anything else. On the other hand, I'm also worried about vignetting with thick / stacked filters. Went through HK's price list, they are selling 45 - 50 bucks (depending on x'change rates) for the hood.

It won't flare as long as you're not shooting the sun direct I think... Flare issue is very minor or almost minimal thanks to the 1 UD and 3 Aspherical elements inside. If it does flare, there's always the healing brush..

 

[carbon14]

I compared both Sigma and Tokina. Very tempted by the sigma as it is wider, also slightly sharper at the centre.
However, those few copies that I tried are very soft, or rather blur at the corners. Unacceptable for landscape shoots. I heard sigma 10-20 has a very bad QC problem, hence you may want to test very carefully each copy before getting one.

 

[jdredd]

The sigma is also a cropped sensor lens. No difference.

there is.
with an EF-S lens, you absolutely cannot use it with anything more than a 1.6 canon DSLR. because of the rear lens.

but u can use the sigma with 1.3 or full frame bodies. its jsut that you get some vignetting at the wide end.

 

[Stoned]

there is.
with an EF-S lens, you absolutely cannot use it with anything more than a 1.6 canon DSLR. because of the rear lens.

but u can use the sigma with 1.3 or full frame bodies. its jsut that you get some vignetting at the wide end.

Well if you put it that way, you can also saw off the rubber at the back of the EF-S lens to mount it to a FF body, just that you get some vignetting on the wide end.

 

[Hoky]

Well if you put it that way, you can also saw off the rubber at the back of the EF-S lens to mount it to a FF body, just that you get some vignetting on the wide end.

:bsmilie: Innovative approach...
Btw, the Tokina can be used for FF from 17-24mm.

 

[jdredd]

Well if you put it that way, you can also saw off the rubber at the back of the EF-S lens to mount it to a FF body, just that you get some vignetting on the wide end.

dont really mean to start anything here.... but thats really quite a ridiculous suggestion. the point is, the sigma is designated an EF lens, so is compatible with EF mount bodies.

so coming back to my original point, the advantage in getting the sigma is that it can still serve as my wide angle if i upgrade to FF, but maybe ill be restricted to using it from 16mm or so if i want to avoid vignetting, and i dont have to hack off the back of it to do so.

but if you dont see any advantage in that, because as you say, you can hack off the back of the EF-S lens, then power to you.

 

[eng01170]

Well if you put it that way, you can also saw off the rubber at the back of the EF-S lens to mount it to a FF body, just that you get some vignetting on the wide end.

:bsmilie:

 

[antacid]

i'll say go for the canon lens..used it for a couple of days and was totally impressed. great colours and tack sharp. very fast focussing as well (but this may be because it was really bright).

take a look here: most shots with the canon ef-s 10-22: www.antacid.os3.sg/antacid_albums/Orientation2006-album

 

[Stoned]

dont really mean to start anything here.... but thats really quite a ridiculous suggestion. the point is, the sigma is designated an EF lens, so is compatible with EF mount bodies.

so coming back to my original point, the advantage in getting the sigma is that it can still serve as my wide angle if i upgrade to FF, but maybe ill be restricted to using it from 16mm or so if i want to avoid vignetting, and i dont have to hack off the back of it to do so.

but if you dont see any advantage in that, because as you say, you can hack off the back of the EF-S lens, then power to you.

Well neither do I actually. The thing is it's ridiculous to use a cropped sensor lens on a FF body because you're
1) paying more than you should be
2) getting less range compared to a dedicated FF lens.

Let's take the Tokina 12-24 as a case in point, since Hoky has confirmed that it can be used from 17-24mm on a FF body without vignetting. You pay approximately 800 dollars for the lens yes? For a 17-24/4.

Given that same 800, I would rather purchase a Tamron 17-35/2.8-4. Not only would I have additional range and an additional stop on the wide end, I would also be pocketing about 200 in spare change.

So, case in point, I would advise purchasing a dedicated aps-c lens first and when you upgrade to FF, switch to a FF lens. You're paying more for worse performance if you stick with the APS-C lens because the FF equivalent is cheaper to produce.

 

[Hoky]

Jdredd Not to side anyone here, but Stoned has a point. (Especially on cost issues.)
If FF is something that you're aiming for in the near future, then an EF-S (or "vignetted" lens for the FF) will not be advisable.
You'll get a better range and features (FTM... etc) with something like 17-40L F4.

Unless you are like me, itching for wide but dun have the capital for a 5D or 1DSMKII. :cry: