Stock Images and Model Release

[wildstallion]

Hey TMC, i dont mind editing the release form so that there are limited rights, i just want to be able to use these images on shutterstock, and if a company see's the image and wishes to use it for example their advertising campain, then i want to be able to say yes they can use the image, thats it.

Iam really keen to build on my stock portfolio, so that is why i want them to sign a model release form.

 

[TMC]

Well if you are going to use the images to make money, I believe it would be better to stick with landscapes, macros and travel pics. Model pics IMO, generate too much trouble when dealing with rights, and as some of the members here pointed out, is not known if the law supports it.

Well if Haley and her friend is ok with it, then by all means go ahead, I am just being nosy here :bsmilie:

 

[wildstallion]

Well if you are going to use the images to make money, I believe it would be better to stick with landscapes, macros and travel pics. Model pics IMO, generate too much trouble when dealing with rights, and as some of the members here pointed out, is not known if the law supports it.

Well if Haley and her friend is ok with it, then by all means go ahead, I am just being nosy here :bsmilie:

nothing wrong with being nosey, just my experience with stock has been that model shots sell a hell of alot better than most other shots, however not got many landscape ones up on SS and im not a huge fan of macro. But sales have basically gone up alot with the addition of new model pics

 

[TMC]

Any idea what kind of businesses bought the images?

 

[wildstallion]

Any idea what kind of businesses bought the images?

im honestly not sure, i dont get told who buys the images, however if a company wants to use like for billboards etc then they have to formaly write to request permission, but that hasnt happened yet, my guess is just fasion, clothes teen magizines and stuff, but again, am not sure.

 

[Petf69]

don;t mean to be nosy here.....as i did not see the full story,

but then when you take photos of models e.g Halley, it was meant for non-commercial purposes.

i.e. you should not post it on Shutterbug etc....for profit.

if it was meant for profiteering, i'm sure the models will charge a higher rate i.e. a commercial rate.

i don't think we should exploit the models' already super low modelling rates......

just my 2 cents....no offence.

 

[wildstallion]

don;t mean to be nosy here.....as i did not see the full story,

but then when you take photos of models e.g Halley, it was meant for non-commercial purposes.

i.e. you should not post it on Shutterbug etc....for profit.

if it was meant for profiteering, i'm sure the models will charge a higher rate i.e. a commercial rate.

i don't think we should exploit the models' already super low modelling rates......

just my 2 cents....no offence.

True, but then thats why i asked, because thats the only reason i would pay to go on a model shoot, they needed two more photographers so i was just asking

 

[TMC]

don;t mean to be nosy here.....as i did not see the full story,

but then when you take photos of models e.g Halley, it was meant for non-commercial purposes.

i.e. you should not post it on Shutterbug etc....for profit.

if it was meant for profiteering, i'm sure the models will charge a higher rate i.e. a commercial rate.

i don't think we should exploit the models' already super low modelling rates......

just my 2 cents....no offence.

That is true too.

Pet69: you can check out the modelshoot by haley in the shoots/workshop subforum

 

[precious.jas]

Actually.. As long as the model dont mind the photographer to sell their pics as stock photographs, and a proper model release form is signed. There shdnt be any problem at all

 

[TMC]

Straight to the point :thumbsup:

 

[wildstallion]

indeed

 

[catchlights]

don;t mean to be nosy here.....as i did not see the full story,

but then when you take photos of models e.g Halley, it was meant for non-commercial purposes.

i.e. you should not post it on Shutterbug etc....for profit.

if it was meant for profiteering, i'm sure the models will charge a higher rate i.e. a commercial rate.

i don't think we should exploit the models' already super low modelling rates......

just my 2 cents....no offence.

I read the posting in modelshoot by haley in the shoots/workshop subforum, agreed with Petf69, the fee for model shoot is mean for non commercial purpose, if you want to want to use it for other purposes, let them know and ask for permission, models has no obligation to sign, loading may involve.

 

[Sion]

Shuttercock is a royalty free stock agency. When you sell the rights of an image royalty free as opposed to rights managed sales you have no control over how the image is being used.

The photos of the model you take may be used in a social escort leaflet or an article about abortion. You may end up with a law suit if the models find that out. Let them know about such possible negative usage of the photos which is beyond your control.

It is for this reason that the royalty free agencies insist on model releases. Some rights managed stock agencies may accept non-released people images. But they are strictly for editorial usage. These days most established agencies wouldn't want to touch any photo which is without model release.

 

[wildstallion]

Shuttercock is a royalty free stock agency. When you sell the rights of an image royalty free as opposed to rights managed sales you have no control over how the image is being used.

The photos of the model you take may be used in a social escort leaflet or an article about abortion. You may end up with a law suit if the models find that out. Let them know about such possible negative usage of the photos which is beyond your control.

It is for this reason that the royalty free agencies insist on model releases. Some rights managed stock agencies may accept non-released people images. But they are strictly for editorial usage. These days most established agencies wouldn't want to touch any photo which is without model release.

Shutterstock will not accept any image of a person if the face is visable without a model release form, and the reason the model needs to sign the form is so that i cannot be sued if someone were to use the image in an escort leaflet, abortion etc etc, if the model is not ok with the release form then that is ok, i shall just not do the shoot, doesnt bother me that much.

 

[Jemapela]

Hi wildstallion,

As mentioned by another ClubSnap member, the decision to sign a full/limited model release lies entirely with an adult model or a young model's parents.

Another ClubSnap member also brought up a fairly justified point about the planned photoshoot being non-commercial -- more towards personal self promotion (as I would assume). If there is a definite intention for commercial use, most models would say/feel it's fair to charge more.

Personally, on the matter of stock photography, I'm not sure how models would charge because there's a possibility that the images may never ever be used. As best as I know, models don't charge as exorbitantly as for commercial use. If you're resourceful, you could do a shoot which doesn't cost you too much.

Very often (in Singapore and it appears to be even in Australia), model releases are not signed for photo shoots when they are non-commercial and self-promotional. However, this doesn't mean that there's no benefit in doing so. It's actually better to sign a model release for any shoot but (we know as human beings) laziness tends to get in our way.

Having said that, I have encountered photographers (in both countries) who practise the habit of signing a release even though it's non-commercial. :thumbsup:

I'm assuming that you're not a S'porean. If you come from a western country, I'm sure you would be aware of how important it is to sign a release, not matter how trivial the shoot may be. A lot more lawsuits happen in US, UK and Australia than in S'pore, because of images, and even of images that don't contain a human face.

Anyway, I suspect that you will have difficulty getting a S'porean to sign a full model release (assuming that they know what a full model release really is). Another ClubSnap member said it rightly that a fully released image can be used overseas in an advert/manner which the model wouldn't like (although we often tend to think of the worst case scenario which may really never happen).