Sponsoring Lingerie for photoshoot

[waileong]

To make it even more clear:

I don't support or not support Brendan.

What irks me, though, is whenever someone comes up with a photo contest or a TFCD deal, the naysayers will jump in and shout about how unfair it is. Well-- if the terms are not clear, if there's a lot of hidden conditions, then fine. But if the terms and clear, it's caveat emptor. You want, you take. You don't want, you don't take. Whether other people should take or don't take is their problem, not yours.

 

[wobbly]

To make it even more clear:

I don't support or not support Brendan.

What irks me, though, is whenever someone comes up with a photo contest or a TFCD deal, the naysayers will jump in and shout about how unfair it is. Well-- if the terms are not clear, if there's a lot of hidden conditions, then fine. But if the terms and clear, it's caveat emptor. You want, you take. You don't want, you don't take. Whether other people should take or don't take is their problem, not yours.

it is indeed a case of caveat emptor, but it is also a case of..perhaps..preying on those who 'do not know better' because they simply arent in the business.
telling someone its 'win win' when it clearly isnt, is tantamount to a salesman telling you anything and everything you want to hear just so he can get a sale out of you, commision, and you walk away with something next to useless.
sure, its youre fault, and yours alone, but who of us here walks around making expensive spontaneous buys without seeking reviews, opinions etc of others before jumping in - or not - whatever the case may be?

because expensive it will be - suppose whoever took the shots, liked them, and wanted to use them as examples of their work in the future? because theyve signed away all of their rights, they have zero right to show that work unless of course, the new owner of those rights decides to be nice and 'allows' them to.

of course it is our right to go in and do whatever we please, as it is brendans right to go in and propose what he does, but it is also our right within a forum to offer opinions and informed advice that may or may not help others in making their decisions.
whether anyone pays attention or not to those opinions is something else entirely.
its the same as if we were people, friends, talking face to face. profer advice. take it or leave it.

anyhoo, again just my two coppers, cents, whatever..

 

[yqt]

it is indeed a case of caveat emptor, but it is also a case of..perhaps..preying on those who 'do not know better' because they simply arent in the business.
telling someone its 'win win' when it clearly isnt, is tantamount to a salesman telling you anything and everything you want to hear just so he can get a sale out of you, commision, and you walk away with something next to useless.
sure, its youre fault, and yours alone, but who of us here walks around making expensive spontaneous buys without seeking reviews, opinions etc of others before jumping in - or not - whatever the case may be?

because expensive it will be - suppose whoever took the shots, liked them, and wanted to use them as examples of their work in the future? because theyve signed away all of their rights, they have zero right to show that work unless of course, the new owner of those rights decides to be nice and 'allows' them to.

of course it is our right to go in and do whatever we please, as it is brendans right to go in and propose what he does, but it is also our right within a forum to offer opinions and informed advice that may or may not help others in making their decisions.
whether anyone pays attention or not to those opinions is something else entirely.
its the same as if we were people, friends, talking face to face. profer advice. take it or leave it.

anyhoo, again just my two coppers, cents, whatever..

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Could not have said it better myself.

those who know should help those who don't know, it applies to the learning of photography and the very basic of why we're here.

 

[projekts]

this could be a perfect platform for some sleezy photographers to do sleezy shots FOC...
woooohooo...

 

[CYRN]

hmms. just curious. what is medium loading?

Something new to me..... any reference to what's medium loading? Especially in Sg contax. :think:

 

[MoodsMM]

hey i find this quite interesting. New platform to work on.

 

[yqt]

Something new to me..... any reference to what's medium loading? Especially in Sg contax. :think:

Please correct me if I'm wrong,but I think it is suppose to be "Media" and not "Medium" loading or what is also known as "Loading Fee".
Media Loading or Loading Fee is refering to the add on fees to the cost of photography which some photographers charge the clients base on what, where and how long they want to use the image. Eg:
Photography cost : $1000.00
Loading fee:
1) Local newspaper ad: $500/-
2) Local Mag: $600.00
3) Local leftlet: $500.00
4) etc,etc.... ( if more than 1 media, than just add the sum )

If the image is used overseas, the loading fee is another added on cost and sometimes it can run into 5 fig sum. Usually there is also a fix time frame which the images can be used, any extention will be another added on cost. This applies to both the photographers and models.

This is important here because almost all modelling agencies here are practising it though not all photographers in SG is doing it, some do while others just quote base on an outright buy out of the copyrights. If the shoot here goes ahead, the TS have already said that he wants to used the images for his marketing purpose and the photographers will have to source and deal with the models so the respondsibility falls on the photographer.

Just as a ball park fig. for 1 model, charge can range from $500.00 to $1000.00 per model for a 1/2 day ( loading not counted yet ), while photographers charge $700.00 to $1200.00 for a 1/2 day lingerie shoot. Again, as I said, this is just a ball park fig. depanding on the level of the model and photographer.

Shoot it if you want but do know what you're going into. If this shoot do go ahead, the TS can easily save at least a few $K. for models, make up artisan, stylist, studio cost and photographer ( my last whole day shoot shooting fruits cost my client $2K ). So who is the biggest winner in this " win-win " suitation?

 

[plsoong]

Please correct me if I'm wrong,but I think it is suppose to be "Media" and not "Medium" loading or what is also known as "Loading Fee".
Media Loading or Loading Fee is refering to the add on fees to the cost of photography which some photographers charge the clients base on what, where and how long they want to use the image. Eg:
Photography cost : $1000.00
Loading fee:
1) Local newspaper ad: $500/-
2) Local Mag: $600.00
3) Local leftlet: $500.00
4) etc,etc.... ( if more than 1 media, than just add the sum )

If the image is used overseas, the loading fee is another added on cost and sometimes it can run into 5 fig sum. Usually there is also a fix time frame which the images can be used, any extention will be another added on cost. This applies to both the photographers and models.

This is important here because almost all modelling agencies here are practising it though not all photographers in SG is doing it, some do while others just quote base on an outright buy out of the copyrights. If the shoot here goes ahead, the TS have already said that he wants to used the images for his marketing purpose and the photographers will have to source and deal with the models so the respondsibility falls on the photographer.

Just as a ball park fig. for 1 model, charge can range from $500.00 to $1000.00 per model for a 1/2 day ( loading not counted yet ), while photographers charge $700.00 to $1200.00 for a 1/2 day lingerie shoot. Again, as I said, this is just a ball park fig. depanding on the level of the model and photographer.

Shoot it if you want but do know what you're going into. If this shoot do go ahead, the TS can easily save at least a few $K. for models, make up artisan, stylist, studio cost and photographer ( my last whole day shoot shooting fruits cost my client $2K ). So who is the biggest winner in this " win-win " suitation?

almost there, but medium is an all wrapping word....

depending on which medium is done in....and "media" depending on the form of publicity

 

[plsoong]

for fruits its already almost 2+ k, now think about it if its for HUMAN MODELS!:sweat:

u're talking about 5 figured and depends on where the client intends to advertise? different zones and places in the WORLD have a different media and medium loading fees

peace

 

[Static]

brandon, supply both models and lingerie and CS will supply the photographers.


:thumbsup:

CC, you supply the location ? I just love haunted houses

 

[CYRN]

Please correct me if I'm wrong,but I think it is suppose to be "Media" and not "Medium" loading or what is also known as "Loading Fee".
Media Loading or Loading Fee is refering to the add on fees to the cost of photography which some photographers charge the clients base on what, where and how long they want to use the image. Eg:
Photography cost : $1000.00
Loading fee:
1) Local newspaper ad: $500/-
2) Local Mag: $600.00
3) Local leftlet: $500.00
4) etc,etc.... ( if more than 1 media, than just add the sum )

If the image is used overseas, the loading fee is another added on cost and sometimes it can run into 5 fig sum. Usually there is also a fix time frame which the images can be used, any extention will be another added on cost. This applies to both the photographers and models.

This is important here because almost all modelling agencies here are practising it though not all photographers in SG is doing it, some do while others just quote base on an outright buy out of the copyrights. If the shoot here goes ahead, the TS have already said that he wants to used the images for his marketing purpose and the photographers will have to source and deal with the models so the respondsibility falls on the photographer.

Just as a ball park fig. for 1 model, charge can range from $500.00 to $1000.00 per model for a 1/2 day ( loading not counted yet ), while photographers charge $700.00 to $1200.00 for a 1/2 day lingerie shoot. Again, as I said, this is just a ball park fig. depanding on the level of the model and photographer.

Shoot it if you want but do know what you're going into. If this shoot do go ahead, the TS can easily save at least a few $K. for models, make up artisan, stylist, studio cost and photographer ( my last whole day shoot shooting fruits cost my client $2K ). So who is the biggest winner in this " win-win " suitation?

OIC... so it's called medium loading... I tot all subsumed under management of copyrights. Learnt a new term today.... thanks.

 

[closetlingerie]

Thank you for all the interest, and pardon me for all the contraversy that it might have caused.

I meant by the right of use of the photos for our marketing materials, perhaps I should rephrase it. I meant that you can give us your approval for using your photos for our marketing materials, and not taking away all your rights!

Yes I am a businessman, and my point is just to sponsor your models with OUR lingerie, and I do not think that it is not ethical at all. Perhaps you should look at my point of view, why would I want to sponsor our lingerie to you for some photo shoots and to think that some of the amateur photographers (a neglectable amount) might just be using this opportunity to experiment how to do a lingerie shoot? It will definitely spoil our brand, don't you think so?

Well, I am just here to sponsor models with our lingerie and I guess some models get their stuff sponsored as well.

I don't mean that I reserve the right to own your photos, I know its your hard work and it's only through mutual agreement that I get to use your photos for our marketing materials and I am sure that you don't just want to display the photos at home for your own personal viewing. Who doesn't want exposure? And I did mentioned that WE WILL MENTION YOUR NAME!

Anyway, I have gathered quite a number of postive responses here. And if anyone who is not interested, then go away and stop whining.

And MIND you, projectKs, what do you mean by sleazy shots? Next time, please do your homework before voicing out. We carry prestigious lingerie brands like JLO, Maidenform, and others and all these are women's essentials and not your transparent two piece that you are thinking of. I guess you didn't go to our website, do you?

Wobly: I don't want to start flaming you but I guess you have damaged our company's reputation and I want you to apologise for cheapening us. I DO NOT mean you have to give away your copyrights. Please read the above.

I am just trying to figure out a way how to benefit all of us, and not trying to bring harm. And I didn't say strictly say that there's no negotiation available.

For all interested photographers, please try to organise your photo shooting sessions and I will try to assist you as much as possible.

Regards,
Brandon

P.S.: by the way, I am not brendon or branden as what you have called it. And we don't sell sleazy lingerie.

 

[closetlingerie]

In addition,

Even if you join some photography contests, your rights will be given to the organiser, don't you know that?

 

[yqt]

for fruits its already almost 2+ k, now think about it if its for HUMAN MODELS!:sweat:

u're talking about 5 figured and depends on where the client intends to advertise? different zones and places in the WORLD have a different media and medium loading fees

peace

You got that right :bsmilie: :sweat:

How much is the loading fee is up to the diff parties to nego. Me, I usuall just quote with a outright buy out while retaining my right to use the images for my own portfolio and marketing with no sales of the images.

 

[yqt]

Thank you for all the interest, and pardon me for all the contraversy that it might have caused.

I meant by the right of use of the photos for our marketing materials, perhaps I should rephrase it. I meant that you can give us your approval for using your photos for our marketing materials, and not taking away all your rights!

Yes I am a businessman, and my point is just to sponsor your models with OUR lingerie, and I do not think that it is not ethical at all. Perhaps you should look at my point of view, why would I want to sponsor our lingerie to you for some photo shoots and to think that some of the amateur photographers (a neglectable amount) might just be using this opportunity to experiment how to do a lingerie shoot? It will definitely spoil our brand, don't you think so?

Well, I am just here to sponsor models with our lingerie and I guess some models get their stuff sponsored as well.

I don't mean that I reserve the right to own your photos, I know its your hard work and it's only through mutual agreement that I get to use your photos for our marketing materials and I am sure that you don't just want to display the photos at home for your own personal viewing. Who doesn't want exposure? And I did mentioned that WE WILL MENTION YOUR NAME!

Anyway, I have gathered quite a number of postive responses here. And if anyone who is not interested, then go away and stop whining.

And MIND you, projectKs, what do you mean by sleazy shots? Next time, please do your homework before voicing out. We carry prestigious lingerie brands like JLO, Maidenform, and others and all these are women's essentials and not your transparent two piece that you are thinking of. I guess you didn't go to our website, do you?

Wobly: I don't want to start flaming you but I guess you have damaged our company's reputation and I want you to apologise for cheapening us. I DO NOT mean you have to give away your copyrights. Please read the above.

I am just trying to figure out a way how to benefit all of us, and not trying to bring harm. And I didn't say strictly say that there's no negotiation available.

For all interested photographers, please try to organise your photo shooting sessions and I will try to assist you as much as possible.

Regards,
Brandon

P.S.: by the way, I am not brendon or branden as what you have called it. And we don't sell sleazy lingerie.

Thank you for coming back to help clear the air. At least we know that the photographer still holds the full copyrights to the images and you will credit them for their effort. Much better than some other "offer to help photographers build portfolios". Those I will not be as nice in my postings.

Hope you'll understand that while it is not wrong for you to make this offer, it's in the interest of the photography community at large to know what is the industry practise. Just as you "do not think that it is not ethical at all", I don't think it's fair, to say that we're whinning.
My postings just let whoever is interested to read know what is the industry practise and the possible cost for a project like this. Anyone, hobbist to full time pro, is free to take up the job. No one have the right to stop them and my postings will not make a very big diff. to the no. of people who will take you up on your offer. But, as I've mentioned, it is for the better of the community to know more about the business side of this industry, at least everyone is going in with their eyes open.

Withreguards to photo competation, I've always been against the transfer of copyrights issue and some may remember some of my postings.

 

[plsoong]

You got that right :bsmilie: :sweat:

How much is the loading fee is up to the diff parties to nego. Me, I usuall just quote with a outright buy out while retaining my right to use the images for my own portfolio and marketing with no sales of the images.

same same.....

Brandon, i think we're not here to slam your thread but just to inform you that while business is business, there's alot more touchy issues when it comes to fees. Now, some of us know and possibly came from your angle, and i'm sure you can definitely ask those affected what were the problems if things were not made absolutely clear (meaning your loading fees and all that).

It is perfectly fine to ask for help using "aspiring models" and photographers to shoot the collection....which btw, is DEFINITELY NOT sleazy!

I think NOW that u've mentioned it more clearly now that your company will use the images however you guys want to use it, IN exchange for any willing models wannabe to model in it knowing that their faces/bodies/photographers may be splashed across the world without any form of claiming of any sorta fees once they agree to your "contract", there will not be THAT big an issue.

However, if any unknowing photographers who think they can use models from agencies to do this....... (unless u're an agency handler/owner), better find out more about loading fees b4 just jumping right in.

The idea and concept, although not novel so to say (its been done many times), is a good platform for your business to grow using media, and HOPEFULLY, for any aspiring models to be talent scouted "IN A certain sense". For photograhers? ..... TKK
:bsmilie:

 

[yqt]

Something which all here in CS may want to consider for future consideration,

request for the copyrights for specific marketing usages like only for this season's leftlet for one print run of 50,000 copies, since there is sponsorship, the sponsor should get something back in return. After that, if the images are really so good that the sponsor want to use it for some other commercial purpose, renego the terms for the usage, it will still save a large part of the cost ( I do understand the need for a business to save cost whenever possible ).

This can be stated at the start, ie:
In view of the sponsorship of Tan Ah Kow Pte Ltd, the models and photographers will allow Tan Ah Kow Pte Ltdto use the images for XXXX purpose. Tan Ah Kow Pte Ltdwill reserves the first right to purchase the copyrights the the images for any other purpose at the cost of $XXXX for the images which is used. First rights can be requested either by the photographer or the sponsor.
This can be a platform to base future offer to photographers here.

What do you guys think?

 

[projekts]

And MIND you, projectKs, what do you mean by sleazy shots? Next time, please do your homework before voicing out. We carry prestigious lingerie brands like JLO, Maidenform, and others and all these are women's essentials and not your transparent two piece that you are thinking of. I guess you didn't go to our website, do you?

Did i mention names?
Did i mention anything about you, your potential FREE models and FREE photographer?
Be honest to yourself.
There are some sleezy photographers lurking around here on the lookout for opportunities like the one you are offering.
It is obvious that you are here looking for free stuffs, meanwhile taking advantage of asipring photographers and models too.
you are a businessman, so you know what is the best way for you to "save" money.
If you are still not satisfied with me, PM me.
I am more than willing to leave you my contact to have a face to face session with you.

 

[andre]

Its already out of topic. I think its better if we continue this discussion in our thread.

But I think this is a good idea, because sometime I have run out of idea on wardrobe.

rgds,
Andre

 

[andre]

Its already out of topic. I think its better if we continue this discussion in other thread.

But I think this is a good idea, because sometime I have run out of idea on wardrobe.

rgds,
Andre