Sony Z7, EX1 and EX3
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alternus
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You mean the camera flashes? I'm at peace with the flashes. That's the way the wedding is. The flashes by the guests on the left and right sides do make the couple look like celebrities. I accept it in my storyline, hence it becomes beautiful.
alternus
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Yes. Zero error so far. The only times I had error was when I used tapes concurrently. Because the CF will record whatever the tape records.
Just use CF cards of the right speed. Min. is 133X. I use CFs that are 280X. And also do not cut and paste from the CF. I always format with the card reader.
The use of CF also disciplines me to transfer my footages on the very same day of the event, and perform regular back ups too.
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Thanks for your input. I'm waiting for the Z5, I think I like the size of this than the Z7.
I hope the Z5 with the CF recording unit will be 6,800 - 7,000. Else I'll bite the bullet and go for the EX3.
jaegersing
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So the unit is not realiable if recording to tape and CF at the same time? That's not so good, cos I particularly want to use tapes for archiving.
alternus
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The CF unit is very reliable. I meant to say that, if the tape recording produces artifacts or has glitches, the CF will follow exactly. The CF recording is definitely more reliable than tape recording.
jaegersing
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So if the tape recording is clean the CF recording will be too? That's good to know, thanks. Normally I don't see any (many?) glitches on my tapes. I just want to be sure that the CF unit does not increase the occurrence of recording glitches when recording to both media simultaneously.
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Almost 15years in the tv & video industry since SVHS era and having used all sorts of tape based media like miniDV, DVCAM, DVCPro, Betacam, Digital Betacam and HDCAM, I've only experienced like 5% or less of tape related problems over thousands of hours of footage I've come across.
Personally have used miniDV/DVCAM/HDV predominantly for the last 8-10 years, I seriously never had any dropout issues from my own footage.
1) Avoid recycling tapes, especially miniDV types.
2) Don't buy cheapo tapes
3) Maintain your camera
4) Use pro-series equipment if footage is critical
There's a reason why there are price differences between pro cams and consumer cams.
Professional cameras have a more robust tape drive mechanism which are developed for reliability.
On the contrary, I have encountered more problems with tapeless formats especially in the beginning of P2, disk-based XDCAMs, and first generations of DTEs like Focus & Citidisks......perhaps I'm old skool, but I still like tape for archival and storage even though I like the convenience of tapeless.
Another 2 cents.... :thumbsup:
Personally have used miniDV/DVCAM/HDV predominantly for the last 8-10 years, I seriously never had any dropout issues from my own footage.
1) Avoid recycling tapes, especially miniDV types.
2) Don't buy cheapo tapes
3) Maintain your camera
4) Use pro-series equipment if footage is critical
There's a reason why there are price differences between pro cams and consumer cams.
Professional cameras have a more robust tape drive mechanism which are developed for reliability.
On the contrary, I have encountered more problems with tapeless formats especially in the beginning of P2, disk-based XDCAMs, and first generations of DTEs like Focus & Citidisks......perhaps I'm old skool, but I still like tape for archival and storage even though I like the convenience of tapeless.
Another 2 cents.... :thumbsup:
jaegersing
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If the glitch rate is the same as what I am getting from tape (i.e. very rare) then I don't mind that these are also captured on the CF card. I just don't want to see the glitches getting more frequent due to recording to both media at the same time.
Usually glitches from tape recordings are caused by tape dropouts or dirty recording head, observed only during playback.
I've done some quick checks on block diagrams (service manuals) of a broadcast camera's internal signal path.
Firewire output is not a post-tape recording output, so what is recorded on tape will not be reflected on CF card via firewire.....unless you're on playback mode.
If what Alternus reported is true, then it's better to have your camera sent in for a service and complain about the issues. This kind of problem is definitely not acceptable.
I've done some quick checks on block diagrams (service manuals) of a broadcast camera's internal signal path.
Firewire output is not a post-tape recording output, so what is recorded on tape will not be reflected on CF card via firewire.....unless you're on playback mode.
If what Alternus reported is true, then it's better to have your camera sent in for a service and complain about the issues. This kind of problem is definitely not acceptable.
melvinchen
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yup DXNmedia is absolutely right.
jaegersing
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Good points Dixon. But I suppose it is possible that the processor in the camera may not be able to record to both media simultaneously without occasionally producing glitches. Since this is a relatively new workflow for most people (definitely including myself), it would be good to hear from others who are recording dual format to hear if they also experience glitches on the CF card when recording to tape at the same time.
jaegersing
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OK thanks Dixon. To be safe, I think I will try to get some feedback from someone who is using the same combination that I want to use (XH-A1 with Sony CF Recorder) before buying the recorder. If there are any quirks that need workarounds, I'd prefer to find out about them up front.
Well, if my MRC1 arrives on time (6weeks lead time i think...), we can have a meet up session to test your XH-A1.....I'll be using the MRC1 with Z1 via firewire with the docking bay, so even if I reported no issues, I cannot say the same for Canon's product....
Personally, I don't have confidence in their video cams, except for their range of broadcast lenses and...of course their printers.... ;p
Lemme name a few example:
1) Ages ago had Canon consumer miniDV cameras...all died within a year (never abused them), problems ranging from CCD failure, dead LCD, to dead recording heads.
2) Ages ago had Canon Ixus digital cam (2megapixel era)....sensor had some obvious black spots, had it fixed, but it died just after a year!
3) During the XL-1 era, I had faced footage issues with a whole series of XL-1 cameras.
Footage recorded on each individual XL-1 can only play back properly with that particular camera that it was recorded on....
And the list goes on....but let's not get off topic.
jaegersing
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Hi Dixon. That's a very kind offer, I will be very keen to try out my cam with your recorder when it arrives. Thank you very much. :thumbsup:
My experience with Canon videocams is non-pro usage of an XL2 and XH-A1, each one for around 2 years. Fingers crossed, I haven't had any problem with them so far. I've also had an HV30 since February this year and it has been great as well.
Sometimes I do get shaky video but I am unable to blame Canon for that, ha ha.
My experience with Canon videocams is non-pro usage of an XL2 and XH-A1, each one for around 2 years. Fingers crossed, I haven't had any problem with them so far. I've also had an HV30 since February this year and it has been great as well.
Sometimes I do get shaky video but I am unable to blame Canon for that, ha ha.
jaegersing
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OK, thanks Dixon. Will check with the cobra also then.
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