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Yup. Tested a few shots, color seemed out when shot indoors using AWB. May just be the LCD screen and my room lighting.
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Yup. Tested a few shots, color seemed out when shot indoors using AWB. May just be the LCD screen and my room lighting.
Will we be seeing a comparison between the Rx1 and M9 and 35 Cron / Lux soon? ;p
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Not so soon...M9 getting a new sensor. It is taking so long. Might see the new M by then. Happy to compare against the ASPH FLE Lux and the Cron.
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Don't they all work the same way? It is just a piece of glass. Still cannot get used to EVFs, especially in low light.
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I don't recall seeing a 35mm or even a 3.5cm Sonnar lens, lest one without a triplet. Anyway......
An old post i made from a few years ago:
"Sonnars were made in all focal lengths from 40-250mm, where compact size was also important - primarily as rangefinder camera lenses. Sonnar-types with about 50mm focal length were made by Carl Zeiss Jena with f/1.5 and f/2.0, after WWII by Zeiss-Opton/Oberkochen as well, up to f/1.4 (prototypes), Steinheil (Quinon-I 2.0) u.a., in Japan by Nippon Kogaku/ Nikon (1.5, 1.4), Seiki Kogaku/ Canon (1.5), Zunow (1.3, 1.1) and Asahi-Optical/ Pentax (2.0)."
I'm referring to design history a Sonnar-type is a triplet derivated (including Ernostar lenses), high speed objective consisting of a small number of optical groups (preferable two) and at least one cemented group of three elements.
The discussion is here: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69170
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I was thinking about that too, then there's the Contax T3 6-element Carl Zeiss Sonnar 35/2.8
That is the original question, not all Sonnar designated lenses are actually based on the classical design. I wanted to find out about the Zeiss (Sonnar) lens mated with the RX1. I bought the Zeiss ZM85mm only to realized it was a double gauss design. I guess Zeiss may have wanted to use the name to mulct the name as much as possible.
On the T3:
"The 38mm Sonnar of the T2 is a 5-elements in 4 groups design which is inferior to the 35mm Sonnar on the T3 (6-elements in 4 groups). Both have nothing to do with the nominal Sonnar design, actually Sonnar is not a wide angle design at all. Zeiss, probably could not find an appropriate designation for the compact camera lenses following the 4-element Tessar, and certainly wouldn't be calling them Planar (i.e. symmetrical double Gauss) so they called them Sonnar, a popular and nice sounding name."
Ref: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118329
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I was curious about that too some time back, anyway, here's more history, related to Zeiss and Sony NEX 24/1.8 Sonnar lens (and by assumption the Sony RX1 lens) ...
from SLR Lens Review :
"Carl Zeiss Sonnar 24/1.8 ZA for NEX system is a first Sonnar lens in its focal length category. You heard that right - no Sonnars with FL shorter than 40mm were ever produced.
Wait, you may say at this point, what about all the Vario-Sonnars like 16-35/2.8 ZA and 24-70/2.8 ZA or Contax 35-70/3.5? Ok, so we need to distinguish between the Sonnar design and Sonnar brand name. Zeiss owns the brand name and can slap it on any lens it wants. Vario-Sonnar is a branding. Sonnar design, on the other hand, traces its roots to the classical triplet, or actually its derivative, the Ernostar. Bertele, who designed Sonnar, connecting Ernostar's third and fourth elements into a single group, which reduced reflection and improved contrast of the lens. Later on, Bertele replaced the last element with a cemented duplet, which increased the max aperture by almost a full f-stop to f/1.5. Over the next few years, Sonnar design saw minor variations, but often meant a high speed lens with a small number of optical groups (typically two to four) and at least one cemented triplet group. Drop the word 'small number' and you get Vario-Sonnar. And guess what... Sonnar 24/1.8 does not actually have a triplet group and has a total of 7 groups. Compare that to the rangefinder Sonnar 50/1.5 ZM, which has 4 groups and 6 elements and includes a triplet group or to the old, pre-war Contax 50/1.5, which has 7 elements in 3 groups, also with one triplet group.
The true Sonnar designs (if there's really such a thing, of course, as a 'true' Sonnar) existed in 40mm to 250mm focal length for years, with shorter FLs available only for rangefinders due to their protruding rear elements. The 40mm Sonnar was manufactured only by Rollei in LTM mount (and prior to that as a build-in lens in Rollei 35S), while 50mm Sonnars were manufactured pretty much by everyone, including Canon, Nikon and KMZ. The shortest SLR Sonnar available up until now is the Contax 85/2.8. So you see, technically speaking Sony's Sonnar 24/1.8 is breaking a new ground here, possible only because of the mirrorless camera design and NEX's short flange distance, except that the lens does not strictly follow Sonnar design."
from SLR Lens Review :
"Carl Zeiss Sonnar 24/1.8 ZA for NEX system is a first Sonnar lens in its focal length category. You heard that right - no Sonnars with FL shorter than 40mm were ever produced.
Wait, you may say at this point, what about all the Vario-Sonnars like 16-35/2.8 ZA and 24-70/2.8 ZA or Contax 35-70/3.5? Ok, so we need to distinguish between the Sonnar design and Sonnar brand name. Zeiss owns the brand name and can slap it on any lens it wants. Vario-Sonnar is a branding. Sonnar design, on the other hand, traces its roots to the classical triplet, or actually its derivative, the Ernostar. Bertele, who designed Sonnar, connecting Ernostar's third and fourth elements into a single group, which reduced reflection and improved contrast of the lens. Later on, Bertele replaced the last element with a cemented duplet, which increased the max aperture by almost a full f-stop to f/1.5. Over the next few years, Sonnar design saw minor variations, but often meant a high speed lens with a small number of optical groups (typically two to four) and at least one cemented triplet group. Drop the word 'small number' and you get Vario-Sonnar. And guess what... Sonnar 24/1.8 does not actually have a triplet group and has a total of 7 groups. Compare that to the rangefinder Sonnar 50/1.5 ZM, which has 4 groups and 6 elements and includes a triplet group or to the old, pre-war Contax 50/1.5, which has 7 elements in 3 groups, also with one triplet group.
The true Sonnar designs (if there's really such a thing, of course, as a 'true' Sonnar) existed in 40mm to 250mm focal length for years, with shorter FLs available only for rangefinders due to their protruding rear elements. The 40mm Sonnar was manufactured only by Rollei in LTM mount (and prior to that as a build-in lens in Rollei 35S), while 50mm Sonnars were manufactured pretty much by everyone, including Canon, Nikon and KMZ. The shortest SLR Sonnar available up until now is the Contax 85/2.8. So you see, technically speaking Sony's Sonnar 24/1.8 is breaking a new ground here, possible only because of the mirrorless camera design and NEX's short flange distance, except that the lens does not strictly follow Sonnar design."
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Thanks for the confirmation. I'm new to Sony, and am very surprise that even the hood and the charger does not come with the camera. Will try to take the camera out tomorrow, first day of 2013.
Groundbreaking designs are called the Planar, Distagons, etc.
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For those who want better price, can try getting at airport at $3,550.
That's right.
I took this small camera to Thailand and had some photos taken. You can check my thoughts on the camera and photos here in the blog.
Overall it's a great camera in terms of photo quality and control. Some cons so far I found are the battery power and lack of accessories in the original package, (lens hood, or at least an external battery charger?)
Overall it's a great camera in terms of photo quality and control. Some cons so far I found are the battery power and lack of accessories in the original package, (lens hood, or at least an external battery charger?)
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Shhhhhhh... Don't complain about the package or a troll will come and derail the thread
Some great pics in your blog. A question, the 6th image with the temple roofs. It looks like there is some distortion, my eyes, intended effect or pp? Or a combination?
zixaw said:Shhhhhhh... Don't complain about the package or a troll will come and derail the thread
Some great pics in your blog. A question, the 6th image with the temple roofs. It looks like there is some distortion, my eyes, intended effect or pp? Or a combination?
Hi Zixaw. Haha yea. But from a positive side to think, cons are about accessories not camera itself means that its great.
Hmm I think it's a distortion or that's how it looks? I didn't pp any of those uploaded photos.
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Once the novelty wears off... but Sony is still controlling stock supply, you dont really see many floating around in the shops...
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