Thoth
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Tot I was promoting d MC rokkor 58/1.2? Haha
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Tot I was promoting d MC rokkor 58/1.2? Haha
wangzb
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See the master of poison at work haha
Thoth
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Good glasses must share ma
BBTM
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Don't know how to upload photo, haha! 135mm F1.8 lens (at F2) on A7R. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/47333843@N06/14339137701
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Thoth
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U need d BBB antidote bro. Y r u passing off d M8 and all those awesome glasses?? Dun wait n regret anymore bro. Just BBB.
albertri
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ricleo
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Thoth
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really love you all my friends here
We all love u too... LOL
Thoth
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Definitely +1 for FD 55/1.2 for the Bokeh (though I still prefer my MC Rokkor 58/1.2...LOL) but FE 55/1.8 still rocks on the contrast and sharpness... Care to do both at f/1.8?
baa tanhaa
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at a pet market in indonesia taken with a zuiko 50mm
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Firstly, poor baby..having fever?
And now to the lenses.
Granted the FD55 F1.2 has more bokeh..i mentioned more but i didn't mention better
Personally, i find the FD55 bokeh too smooth. Even the things in focus appear soft and the smooth bokeh with the soft in focus image makes an overall muddy image. it would be nice to see the FD55 at f1.8 though. The FE55 although won't have that smooth a bokeh since it's f1.8, but ther bokeh is still there although i would've prefered it a little more defined. having said that, the in focused items are tact sharp. And maybe it's because of this that the bokehed parts are also sharp, making the bokeh seem more less smooth.
Personally for me, bokeh is one thing, but the image must also be sharp and not just pure bokeh smoothness..after all, in a photo, the subject you want people to look at is the thing in focus, not the bokeh
So a lens with super smooth bokeh but not sharp image isn't better than one that has less bokeh but super sharp image...maybe that's why i don't like the F0.95 lenses myself...
ricleo
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haa tks for the reply. yea just brought my boy for a vaccination and that was pre-caution in case fever sets in.
no doubt the FE55 1.8 is one fine lens, just overpriced. My personal view on the above bokeh comparisons is that the FE55 1.8, whilst has more DOF with more of the baby in focus, if you look at the background bokeh, the 1.8 is actually smoother than the 1.2.
The FD 55 1.2 renders the baby softer and works extremely well for close up shots, the parts in focus are actually very sharp. but for bokeh in the background and for portraits of subjects further away, say over 5 metres, it is not that good.
That said, it is darn good value at 1/4 the price fo the zeiss FE 55 1.8 at a faster aperture, and the lens imperfections give a nice retro/film look to images compared to the clinically sharp modern lenses like the FE 55 and the Sigma Art.
no doubt the FE55 1.8 is one fine lens, just overpriced. My personal view on the above bokeh comparisons is that the FE55 1.8, whilst has more DOF with more of the baby in focus, if you look at the background bokeh, the 1.8 is actually smoother than the 1.2.
The FD 55 1.2 renders the baby softer and works extremely well for close up shots, the parts in focus are actually very sharp. but for bokeh in the background and for portraits of subjects further away, say over 5 metres, it is not that good.
That said, it is darn good value at 1/4 the price fo the zeiss FE 55 1.8 at a faster aperture, and the lens imperfections give a nice retro/film look to images compared to the clinically sharp modern lenses like the FE 55 and the Sigma Art.
Firstly, poor baby..having fever?
And now to the lenses.
Granted the FD55 F1.2 has more bokeh..i mentioned more but i didn't mention better
Personally, i find the FD55 bokeh too smooth. Even the things in focus appear soft and the smooth bokeh with the soft in focus image makes an overall muddy image. it would be nice to see the FD55 at f1.8 though. The FE55 although won't have that smooth a bokeh since it's f1.8, but ther bokeh is still there although i would've prefered it a little more defined. having said that, the in focused items are tact sharp. And maybe it's because of this that the bokehed parts are also sharp, making the bokeh seem more less smooth.
Personally for me, bokeh is one thing, but the image must also be sharp and not just pure bokeh smoothness..after all, in a photo, the subject you want people to look at is the thing in focus, not the bokeh
Look at it this way.
Crop the A7 for 1.2x crop (the crop factor of the M8) and many RF lenses work w/o issues on the cropped image.
The A7 is cheaper, no IR cut filter juggling, magnification for accurate focus and approx 16mp image even after crop.
The only things you'd miss are the rangefinder cred and RF way of viewing/framing.
Also note that the longer lenses are less of a hassle on an A7.
M8 is not a bad camera if one likes it, esp so if one likes the CCD sensor and RF way of operation.
But if you are agnostic to those, then why bother.
I am actually surprised at the optical vignetting on the edges of the FE55 shots.
A very modern lens with supposed aspherical elements to take care of it.
Nothing good or bad about it, just surprised.
However, I do find the OOF areas a bit busy on the edges (again a surprise for such a modern lens)
The FD55/1.2 is not unsharp (as you know too, since you have the lens).
We are seeing different contrast and DOF here.
The sharpness falloff will be different and the FD55 one is before the area of DOF envelops the whole subject (ie. baby's feet in this case)
The FE55 benefits from this (at f1.8 ) and we see more apparent sharpness.
Granted, the FE55 is indeed the sharper lens, but at this sort of small picture sizes, it would not be apparent.
So what we see here is just apparent sharpness rather than actual sharpness advantage of one lens over another in this context.
A bolder drawing style is also a zeiss strength so it will give better apparent sharpness too.
Both can make fine images to me.
Some areas of the OOF I like about one, then some areas I prefer the other.
Thats just me.
Of course, the FD55 is also f1.2 and cheaper.
So the conclusion is that you got to have them all and more.
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ricleo
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hehe yes agree with you mostly. On the vignetting and aspherical lenses, my understanding is that the aspherical elements deal with CA and Comma, not optical vignetting. To get better light-fall off/less vignetting, the front element will need to be bigger with a bigger lens barrel diameter. For example like the recent Sigma Art lenses that feature bigger filter threads compared to their peers. Something the FE lenses were not trying to do in order to keep their respective smaller sizes
ricleo
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nice lighting and processing to bring out the various layers and depth of the image
Clouds and Light in Ethiopia
The longest lens I had with me was the Leica 180 Apo-Elmarit-R and it was a bit too short. But the A7r has more than enough mpx for cropping the final image.
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