Slide/Film Scanner


Hi,

Does anyone has an opinion on what would constitute a good film/slide scanner? I have an Epson V500 and it is not bad. My friend has a Nikon Coolscan and it seems better.

Regards & thanks
 

Whether scanner is good or bad depends on the dpi range

I use Plustek 7600i. Its a dedicated (shoebox) film scanner at approx $300 pricepoint. Scans are excellent, but the feeding is manual.

The other popular choice is Epson v700 or v750. I think price is up to $800 depending on the version. This is a flatbed scanner. It allows you to scan upwards of 24+ frames at once.

Depending how many images you process, either of the above can be faster or slower. On my Plustek, I do 2 to 3 scans at a time, and work on them in Lightroom, so I do not really need to scan in bulk. I chew my negatives very slowly.
 

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Hi,

Does anyone has an opinion on what would constitute a good film/slide scanner? I have an Epson V500 and it is not bad. My friend has a Nikon Coolscan and it seems better.

Regards & thanks

Of course, you are comparing a normal flat bed to a dedicated film scanner.

Same as cherry QQ vs Aston Martin
 

Whether scanner is good or bad depends on the dpi range

I use Plustek 7600i. Its a dedicated (shoebox) film scanner at approx $300 pricepoint. Scans are excellent, but the feeding is manual.

The other popular choice is Epson v700 or v750. I think price is up to $800 depending on the version. This is a flatbed scanner. It allows you to scan upwards of 24+ frames at once.

Depending how many images you process, either of the above can be faster or slower. On my Plustek, I do 2 to 3 scans at a time, and work on them in Lightroom, so I do not really need to scan in bulk. I chew my negatives very slowly.

Good and bad scanner depends on Dmax, dpi only determine how big you can scan.
 

I am interested in a dedicated film/slide scanner rather than my Epson V500. I read a lot of reviews on line about the Nikon Coolscan as well as the Minolta Multi Scan systems. I believe that Minolta has already discontinued the Multi Scan systems but you can always buy a second hand one. Most people consider the Minolta to be better than the Nikon. Another system is the Canon FS4000 (also discontinued); which has a pretty good review.

Can other members let me know what other systems they are using? Thanks.
 

I also use a Plustek 7600, and have been very happy with the results. In terms of quality, the scans would be close to earlier dedicated 35mm scanners. The added advantage of the Plustek design is that you dont need to deal with film curl. If you are shooting chromogenic films, the digital ICE feature removes dust spots, and is very effective.

As artspraken said earlier, manual advance is the main drawback of the Plustek. If you are not doing heavy duty scanning, it is ok.

I am interested in a dedicated film/slide scanner rather than my Epson V500. I read a lot of reviews on line about the Nikon Coolscan as well as the Minolta Multi Scan systems. I believe that Minolta has already discontinued the Multi Scan systems but you can always buy a second hand one. Most people consider the Minolta to be better than the Nikon. Another system is the Canon FS4000 (also discontinued); which has a pretty good review.

Can other members let me know what other systems they are using? Thanks.
 

Hi,

Does anyone has an opinion on what would constitute a good film/slide scanner? I have an Epson V500 and it is not bad. My friend has a Nikon Coolscan and it seems better.

Regards & thanks

To simply put it, it is optics and sensor dynamic range. Without proper optics, no matter how many dpi the sensor can read, the image will still be fuzzy.. like handphone camera, high MP, lousy lens. Dynamic range to capture the details of the highlights and shadows. Otherwise it will be just rendered as white/black.
 

All this about Dmax and optics are good but still have not address the fundamental question of which dedicated film scanner out there is best? Also there seems to be a different with the scanning software as well. There are a lot of reviews on SIlverFast AI and Vuescan. Most people think that these 2 packages are better than the ones that comes with the scanner. Having said that, I have seen some Fuji Velvia 50 scans (multiple pass) done on an Epson V700 using SilverFast Ai and it looks awesome. Took some time to scan though.

So for the folks out there, I have seen that someone on this forum uses Plustek and kgston uses a Nikon Coolscan 9000. Anymore using other hardware and software combinations that are also as good? Waiting to hear your experiences on this.
 

aiyaaa....depends how much $$$ you wanna spend. Plustek 7600i and Epson v700 are the usual choices for hobbyists AFAIK. The Nikon I think is out of production and only available on secondary market (IIRC).

if you are looking for the best, then you can consider Hasselblad scanner lor. If I got the money, I rather buy 35 Lux 11663 and a Noct.

http://www.hasselbladusa.com/products/scanners/flextight-x5.aspx
http://www.hasselbladusa.com/products/scanners/flextight-x1.aspx

As for scanning software, everything available is sh1t. Both Silverfast and Vuescan are bloated with non-intuitive interface. The problem is there is no other better software than Silverfast and Vuescan (if you need to tweak the pre-processing stage). Other basic scanning software that is bundled with the scanner do not give you the configurations available in Silverfast and Vuescan. For me, I had to choose between Silverfast and Vuescan - which is the lesser evil? In the end, I chose Vuescan coz the interface is less cluttered (btw it is still a sh1tty interface, just not as bad as Silverfast).

pls note that Plustek and Epson come with Silverfast CD.

eh btw hor....the scanning forum is in a separate section of clubsnap. Got some discussion there already.
 

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There are entire newsgroups dedicated to this subject, but in general there are 3 levels of quality with scanning, and with each level you will see a significant diff in DMax and actual resolution:

The "consumer" grade CCDS: Epson, Coolscan, Plustek, the minilab scanning modules Noritsu, Frontiers etc etc - they are essentially all the same
The next level is the "professional" flatbeds (Scitex Eversmart) and the Imacon/ Hasselblad Flextight CCD scanners
The highest level are the PMT drum scanners (even within this group there are huge differences between the makes and models)

It is difficult to objectively compare quality at the higher levels because scanning is as much an art as it is a science, esp with drum scanning. There are numerous operator-decided parameters and even the choice of colourspace makes a difference.

Drum scans are best for slides because they can see into the very dense/ dark regions with the least noise. But they are also costly.

The Flextights provide the best price/performance ratio and the market bears this out. If you look around (outside Singapore), you will see quite a few people provide affordable Flextight scans using the top-end 949/ X5. I only scan the keepers that I don't have wet printed and send them out. It's unfortunate but high quality scanning just isn't available in SG. Shriro, the Hasselblad Flextight distributor, rents out one of their scanners, but it is the old, lowest end and obsolete model that only goes to 3200dpi (compared to the 949/X5 at 8000dpi)

For many consumer grade scanning will suffice for most purposes, but while not every image needs a really high end scan, without it you won't see what film is truly capable of, whichis a bummer if you spent a lot on the best lenses.
 

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There are entire newsgroups dedicated to this subject, but in general there are 3 levels of quality with scanning, and with each level you will see a significant diff in DMax and actual resolution:

The "consumer" grade CCDS: Epson, Coolscan, Plustek, the minilab scanning modules Noritsu, Frontiers etc etc - they are essentially all the same
The next level is the "professional" flatbeds (Scitex Eversmart) and the Imacon/ Hasselblad Flextight CCD scanners
The highest level are the PMT drum scanners (even within this group there are huge differences between the makes and models)

It is difficult to objectively compare quality at the higher levels because scanning is as much an art as it is a science, esp with drum scanning. There are numerous operator-decided parameters and even the choice of colourspace makes a difference.

Drum scans are best for slides because they can see into the very dense/ dark regions with the least noise. But they are also costly.

The Flextights provide the best price/performance ratio and the market bears this out. If you look around (outside Singapore), you will see quite a few people provide affordable Flextight scans using the top-end 949/ X5. I only scan the keepers that I don't have wet printed and send them out. It's unfortunate but high quality scanning just isn't available in SG. Shriro, the Hasselblad Flextight distributor, rents out one of their scanners, but it is the old, lowest end and obsolete model that only goes to 3200dpi (compared to the 949/X5 at 8000dpi)

For many consumer grade scanning will suffice for most purposes, but while not every image needs a really high end scan, without it you won't see what film is truly capable of, whichis a bummer if you spent a lot on the best lenses.
+1 ;)
 

There are entire newsgroups dedicated to this subject, but in general there are 3 levels of quality with scanning, and with each level you will see a significant diff in DMax and actual resolution:

The "consumer" grade CCDS: Epson, Coolscan, Plustek, the minilab scanning modules Noritsu, Frontiers etc etc - they are essentially all the same
The next level is the "professional" flatbeds (Scitex Eversmart) and the Imacon/ Hasselblad Flextight CCD scanners
The highest level are the PMT drum scanners (even within this group there are huge differences between the makes and models)

It is difficult to objectively compare quality at the higher levels because scanning is as much an art as it is a science, esp with drum scanning. There are numerous operator-decided parameters and even the choice of colourspace makes a difference.

Drum scans are best for slides because they can see into the very dense/ dark regions with the least noise. But they are also costly.

The Flextights provide the best price/performance ratio and the market bears this out. If you look around (outside Singapore), you will see quite a few people provide affordable Flextight scans using the top-end 949/ X5. I only scan the keepers that I don't have wet printed and send them out. It's unfortunate but high quality scanning just isn't available in SG. Shriro, the Hasselblad Flextight distributor, rents out one of their scanners, but it is the old, lowest end and obsolete model that only goes to 3200dpi (compared to the 949/X5 at 8000dpi)

For many consumer grade scanning will suffice for most purposes, but while not every image needs a really high end scan, without it you won't see what film is truly capable of, whichis a bummer if you spent a lot on the best lenses.

It is still available, however it is not worth to run such business in singapore due to the cost of operation.:)
 

It is still available, however it is not worth to run such business in singapore due to the cost of operation.:)

Lucky are those who can have their own PMTs!
 

haha, it occupied half a room.

is it? mine only occupies the bottom of my workbench.. and doubles up as a footrest! haha, a very expensive one at that!
 

All this about Dmax and optics are good but still have not address the fundamental question of which dedicated film scanner out there is best? Also there seems to be a different with the scanning software as well. There are a lot of reviews on SIlverFast AI and Vuescan. Most people think that these 2 packages are better than the ones that comes with the scanner. Having said that, I have seen some Fuji Velvia 50 scans (multiple pass) done on an Epson V700 using SilverFast Ai and it looks awesome. Took some time to scan though.

So for the folks out there, I have seen that someone on this forum uses Plustek and kgston uses a Nikon Coolscan 9000. Anymore using other hardware and software combinations that are also as good? Waiting to hear your experiences on this.

I am use the Nikon coolscan 9000 latest model with firewire version and it work on both Windows and Mac. just bought it last month. I run it will Vuescan as the silverfast cost more than 600 for use with the Nikon Coolscan 9000. You can still order this model as this is the only model in production from Nikon. The result is very much better than the flatbed, easy, faster and no need multi-scan and you can get a good picture.
 

Nikon coolscan 9000 where got sell?

Yea i think silverfast overpriced if u buy separately.
 

I am use the Nikon coolscan 9000 latest model with firewire version and it work on both Windows and Mac. just bought it last month. I run it will Vuescan as the silverfast cost more than 600 for use with the Nikon Coolscan 9000. You can still order this model as this is the only model in production from Nikon. The result is very much better than the flatbed, easy, faster and no need multi-scan and you can get a good picture.

If you have use SilverFast you would have know how much better is it to VueScan, although I still can't afford, been using the demo version haha!
 

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