SLCC SHoot

[madmacs]

WRONG. How wrong could you be. Photographers paid for this shoot. They are the boss and the MUA is there to carry out what they want. I have been to too many mas orgy shoots. All too often, the photographers are too timid to say a word about how they want a pose, how they want the make up to be done, and how they want.... Then they complain after the fact.

Speak up. Tell the organiser that the make up sucks. Tell the make up artist the make up sucks!

Why should I stop harping about it? The paying photographers must have the final say how the model is outfitted, styled etc etc.

in your ideal world all photographers have the same idea on the styling and makeup. however in the real world each photographer will have different ideas on how they would want their models to look. its not practical to cater to each individual taste, so the organizer will have to make that decision.

i do agree that many photographers are too timid to instruct the model on the posing and expression. all too often i see them firing off frames even when the model is not looking their way.

why you should story harping about it? well...cos you are not one of the paying photographers for this shoot, so you dont have the final say :bsmilie:

 

[Deadpoet]

in your ideal world all photographers have the same idea on the styling and makeup. however in the real world each photographer will have different ideas on how they would want their models to look. its not practical to cater to each individual taste, so the organizer will have to make that decision.

i do agree that many photographers are too timid to instruct the model on the posing and expression. all too often i see them firing off frames even when the model is not looking their way.

why you should story harping about it? well...cos you are not one of the paying photographers for this shoot, so you dont have the final say :bsmilie:

Of course I do not have the final say in how the shoot is to be conducted. But I will continue to SLAM the photographers whose lousy pictures are posted here. I will continue to SLAM them because they are suppose to be in charge. It's their pictures I am SLAMMING.

Most photograpahers shoot models in these mass organised shoot. If all the photographers take your approach, and let organisers, MAU and model do their own thing, well, they will be getting bad photographs, and I will have alot of material to SLAM.

By the way, we are not even talking about style and taste, we are talking about

omg , the makeup is awful. she looks like she has some fungus growths on her face..

And I agree with jdredd.

 

[benedium]

After going on a shoot with a more diligent and more passionate photographer, I realise that Deadpoet is actually right in his criticisms.

Besides annoying other more passionate photographers, we let ourselves down by not doing our best to produce a good picture. We let ourselves down because we can do better but refuse to, because we are lazy or whatever.

I strongly recommend that after some sessions in an organised group model shoot, newbies should really try to assist in well conceptualised and planned individual shoots. You don't have to shoot. You just help the photographer carry stuff and hold reflector or take light meter readings. If the photographer is nice, he will show you the pictures as he shoots. And you will see just how possible it is to come up with nice meaningful images. And how much more you'll enjoy this wonderful hobby.

Photography is not just technical. It is actually more about art. It's easier to learn the technical side than to learn the art side. Some of us just don't have it.
But the joy is in trying. It's the journey that counts.

 

[madmacs]

Most photograpahers shoot models in these mass organised shoot. If all the photographers take your approach, and let organisers, MAU and model do their own thing, well, they will be getting bad photographs, and I will have alot of material to SLAM.

thats not my approach either...i'm just pointing out that photographers have no control over makeup and style for mass shoots. for full control photographers will have to organize their own private shoots.

so yeah while we can comment about the bad makeup, but we dont have to keep repeating that over and over again for every photographer who posts photos from the same shoot. lets just focus instead on the posing, expressions and post-processing which the photographers have full control over. here is where their skill of making the best out of a bad situation comes into play.

 

[LightStalker]

Usually i would comment Deadpoet again and again about his harsh comments and stuff.. Sometimes he's really a pain in the a**.. But this time.. i really have to agree with him.. The skin tone, make up, everything was off.. I understand that "you were trying to achieve those effects" but if a photo cant sell, it just cant sell !!

 

[madmacs]

Usually i would comment Deadpoet again and again about his harsh comments and stuff.. Sometimes he's really a pain in the a**.. But this time.. i really have to agree with him.. The skin tone, make up, everything was off.. I understand that "you were trying to achieve those effects" but if a photo cant sell, it just cant sell !!

so you agree with him that if 10 photographers posts pics from the same shoot, he shoot comment that the makeup sucks in all 10 threads? :think:

 

[jcho]

Usually i would comment Deadpoet again and again about his harsh comments and stuff.. Sometimes he's really a pain in the a**.. But this time.. i really have to agree with him.. The skin tone, make up, everything was off.. I understand that "you were trying to achieve those effects" but if a photo cant sell, it just cant sell !!

This is my virgin shoot on models, so I just there to shoot, don't know how to ask them to pose;did make noise on bad make up, dressing bad, etc...but is fun shooting with friends and new friends I make there. Just $60, what can I ask for? There always a start from everyone here....any way here to shoot for fun:bsmilie:

 

[LightStalker]

so you agree with him that if 10 photographers posts pics from the same shoot, he shoot comment that the makeup sucks in all 10 threads? :think:

well.. if you do read other threads like alvinz or gomus or sharpshooters SLCC shoots.. Do wonder why their photos looks pleasing to the eye..

 

[LightStalker]

This is my virgin shoot on models, so I just there to shoot, don't know how to ask them to pose;did make noise on bad make up, dressing bad, etc...but is fun shooting with friends and new friends I make there. Just $60, what can I ask for? There always a start from everyone here....any way here to shoot for fun:bsmilie:

The photographer has spoken !! Anyway.. for $60, i would make alot of noise liaw leh.. haha.. That's cause last time i went i also learnt alot.. The pros like to make a fuss.. but in the end the photos were very impressive.. So i took that as my lesson learnt.. and not to keep photos i wanna throw away..

 

[madmacs]

well.. if you do read other threads like alvinz or gomus or sharpshooters SLCC shoots.. Do wonder why their photos looks pleasing to the eye..

and the makeup is the same yes? which is why i mentioned that this is "where their skill of making the best out of a bad situation comes into play". so lets focus on areas that the photographer has control rather than harp over the areas that he cant control in this particular shoot.

 

[jcho]

Hi Buddy & Friends,

Thanks for all your comment and I do take all your words VERY SERIOUSLY, will take note. Let move on and have fun here, everyone of us have a valid comment from each prospective. For the Pro's we look forward to sharing of your shoot in details. Example what you want and have achieved in the photo shoot, what you try to avoid (able and unable). Sorry maybe asking for too much...

 

[LightStalker]

and the makeup is the same yes? which is why i mentioned that this is "where their skill of making the best out of a bad situation comes into play". so lets focus on areas that the photographer has control rather than harp over the areas that he cant control in this particular shoot.

oh.. so thats what u were talking about ah.. walaoz.. say earlier ma..

 

[ConnorMcLeod]

What is this obcession of sticking shiny little thingys underneath the eye.

Agree. All models on that day had these 'crab roes' sticked around their eyes. Personally I didn't find it attractive.

 

[madmacs]

oh.. so thats what u were talking about ah.. walaoz.. say earlier ma..

got leh...say in post #24 liao :dunno:

 

[Deadpoet]

Agree. All models on that day had these 'crab roes' sticked around their eyes. Personally I didn't find it attractive.

This is probably an attempt to do something different and backfired. Organisers, make up artists and photographers must understand, lots of time, less is more. Too much gimmicks usually ends up with a bad picture.

 

[madmacs]

This is probably an attempt to do something different and backfired. Organisers, make up artists and photographers must understand, lots of time, less is more. Too much gimmicks usually ends up with a bad picture.

i think its a risk that organizers have to accept and take once in a while to stand out from other shoots.

one suggestion is to specify the expected style when advertising the shoot so that photographers are aware before they sign up.

 

[Bobman]

I believe that all photographers should not be in the mercy of the organiser or MUA etc. You must do the photos you want not what other want. You should decide on the wardrobe for the model and instruct the MUA what type of makeup you want the model to look.

For me, joining of group shoot is for fun and not serious shooting. I can accept anything becasue I do not the have full control of what I want. Then what's the point of posting. (Msg to AM). Shoot for fun, if you see any model you like to shoot, ask the organiser and arrange one for private shoot......

If I should post, meaning I am happy with everything being arranged by me or others and I would not give any lame excuse as in sorry la, so many ppl leh, no place to shoot or the pose not mine one, the clothes actually i dun like but hor what to do, dunnoe leh the wan to do this type of makeup. etc etc etc....... worse dun ever say, its only so much only, what do you expect. This is not only an insult to the organiser but to yourself too. Why?

We organiser sometimes lower the price so that more ppl can come and shoot and enjoy each other get together, in the way so centre is doing becos it has many students, so lowering the rates is good for all.

Only if the group can spare each other just 5 mins to do a good shoot of maybe 10 shots. I believe the outcome would be veryt much different, very much rewarding; but sadly, it won't happen. About yourself, if you say so its cheap shoot and won't expect too much good shots. Why then join? Aren't you labelling yourself as cheopo????

As an organiser and a shooter, I would be my photo to be siew siew. Some will know I very 'cat' one. Small thing bo siew, redo again, that's why till now no portfolio (Another msg to AM). I try to have smallest group possible if budget is reached.

Every Sunday from now on, I will try do OSM (indoor or outdoor) shoot, I will welcome any harsh comments from any of you here, whether right or wrong your comments are. Especially the wardrobe and style/mua, I welcome your:flame: .......... :bsmilie:

Result is neither measure by the number of hours of hardwork you put in nor the number of years of experience you have.....

 

[Canonised]

i think its a risk that organizers have to accept and take once in a while to stand out from other shoots.

about this "a risk that organizers have to accept", i totally disagree .... so far all the organisers here did not seem to have taken any real risk in their shoots coz most if not all the shooters have never rejected any bad makeup, dressings, locations .... most seemed to accept whatever was given to them .... :think:, probably due to their brotherhood mentally...:bsmilie:

 

[Bobman]

about this "a risk that organizers have to accept", i totally disagree .... so far all the organisers here did not seem to have taken any real risk in their shoots coz most if not all the shooters have never rejected any bad makeup, dressings, locations .... most seemed to accept whatever was given to them .... :think:, probably due to their brotherhood mentally...:bsmilie:

It depends on what the organiser is gearing to? Monetary gain or Result oriented? As for myself, I won't do for the former from now on but the latter. Tell me what's not right this week, next week you will get your redemption.

 

[madmacs]

about this "a risk that organizers have to accept", i totally disagree .... so far all the organisers here did not seem to have taken any real risk in their shoots coz most if not all the shooters have never rejected any bad makeup, dressings, locations .... most seemed to accept whatever was given to them .... :think:, probably due to their brotherhood mentally...:bsmilie:

sure its a risk...if they mess up the makeup or outfit, their customers will not be happy. why the photographers never complain or reject is a different issue...