lynniepang
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Honestly I think "models" with braces, skin rashes, bad acne/ bad skin, or ugly tattoos shouldnt be a model in the first place. Period.
Should photographers accept models with defects?
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night86mare
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i think bad skin isn't that bad,
but then again, a lot of CS mua tend to be subpar standard, don't know how to cover flaws, from what i can see. the photographers also don't know how to handle the skin.
i beg to differ.
http://www.ugly.org/
maybe singaporeans' mindset of a model is different.
They got to have flawless skin, perfect teeth, silky shiny hair, sweet/cute looking, big eyes, perfect body etc. In that case, why aren't the models featured in organized shoots even half as closed to the latter? And people are still rushing to join and pay for such shoots.
It's not about how good a model/talent look.
It's about how well the photographer can communicate and direct, to bring out the best of his/her subjects. At the end of the day, it's not just rapidly firing blindly and hope for a good shot to appear. If that's the case, might as well get a video camera and shoot; at 25 frames per second, there's bound to be one excellent shot in a 60 minute tape.
night86mare
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no no no.. actually they just need to know how to do victory sign and accept gifts and wear outfits that the photographers want them to wear. :bsmilie::devil:
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vince123123
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This I agree 
Those who say "bring out the best" - you're probably thinking of the makeover or family photo industry, rather than the modelling or fashion industry.
Those who say "bring out the best" - you're probably thinking of the makeover or family photo industry, rather than the modelling or fashion industry.
lynniepang
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I think you missed the point entirely.
A model needs to have good if not flawless skin, the height and the figure, ideally no tattoos unless its for some specific shoot, NO orthodontic braces, healthy looking hair, and generally be pleasant looking. By "model", I mean model, and not model wannabe. I dont consider the "models" in Clubsnap to be models. By "models" I mean models in agencies like Phantom, Diva et al.
If the model does not possess the basic requirements of a model, no matter how good the photographer is, he wont be able to make her look good. Sure, you can say its up to the skills of the photog to capture her best angle, bring out her best etc.
But if I let you choose a model between Fiona Xie and Patricia Mok, who would you choose? Enough said.
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Perhaps sometimes people want to appear to be politically correct, not wanting to be viewed as "shallow" for only going for the flawless models. However, the reality is that models need to be as you described, and those who are in the industry knows (as opposed to amateurs who prefer to say "its the photographer's job to make the model pretty"). That may be true in makeover or family portraits, but not in fashion or advertising.
night86mare
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flawless skin, no doubt.
night86mare
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devon aoki is 5"5. towering height indeed.
that translates to 165.1 cm. by ang mo standards, that is really a giant!
that translates to 165.1 cm. by ang mo standards, that is really a giant!
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Do I have to raise a non-conformance form and issue a corrective actions for the organisers for not making the customer criteria? :sweat:....If the subject's feature is not so good, should I raise a permanent corrective actions as continuous improvement? I believe in one control.....the subject's and organiser's self improvement. If things are not good, try and improve them. In the end, this is for customer's satisfaction.
The problem is lies with the customers. Too many GWCs here are just too easily satisfied. As long as a xmm smiles at them, wears a little less, stands in front of their camera, they are happy. So, customers' demand is satisfied, but that does not means the standard is good. I really should not use the word "good". In many instances, the best I can say is "just above sucks".
This is the SAD part. You meant, the photographer's skills, artistic talent and track record for producing good to great images do not count as incentives? This is really sad.
Cannot agree more. Many are just too deluded, they thought, they believe and worst, they were told that they were beautiful, they should be models. And in reality, well, they really cannot. So, as customers, if we accepts subpar products and services, we deserve to get what we are dished. **see my comments about GWCs above**
well if you want to assume those information about me, i'm totally cool.
you really do sound like a seasoned shooter doing it for many years.
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sorry, i forget, i am not in the industry.
time to be an amateur in a corner and keep quiet.
haha...we should have kept really quiet in the first place.
There will be different views.. and the sharing/exchange of views and opinions is what makes the forum interesting.. apart from being a source of information.
There'll be pple who share/agree/appreciate you & NM's views too.. and there'll be pple who enjoys reading them Just that not everyone posts..
It's not important whether others agrees with you..
What is important is you're willing to share your views
There'll be pple who share/agree/appreciate you & NM's views too.. and there'll be pple who enjoys reading them
Just that not everyone posts..It's not important whether others agrees with you..
What is important is you're willing to share your views
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You sure you don't usually ask for credentials? This is the Xth time (X>5) you have asked ME for credentials, not to mention any others (if any). You're all about credentials.
I know you're a scholarship holder, but seriously, why do you always get hung up over credentials?
I'm not in the industry full time because I'm not a full time photographer, but I know personally and have worked with many full time models/MUAs and assisted full time photographers in both editorial and advertising industry shoots. Hence I can easily gain the knowledge I require to comment.
Yes, Lynniepang is in the industry.
Yes you need to keep quiet before you make a fool of yourself, if you have not already.
Since you're all about credentials, and you have admitted you have none, please dont feel obliged to respond further since you have no say in anything going by your OWN standards. In fact, by your own admission, I don't expect any more from you than to simply keep quiet; otherwise you have just contradicted yoruself.
You dont' even shoot much models, hence by your own reckoning and standards (not mine btw, since I don'tmake it a habit to ask for credentials like you; but I might as well rely on it now against you), my word is bigger than yours and hence please defer to my opinion
To the rest, please don't bother attacking credentials or the like, since this statement is solely intended for night86mare and his obsession with credentials. I do not, and have not seen any need to rely on credentials over the substance of what is actualyl said. So what if one has credentials? It does not make what he says automatically correct.
I know you're a scholarship holder, but seriously, why do you always get hung up over credentials?
I'm not in the industry full time because I'm not a full time photographer, but I know personally and have worked with many full time models/MUAs and assisted full time photographers in both editorial and advertising industry shoots. Hence I can easily gain the knowledge I require to comment.
Yes, Lynniepang is in the industry.
wait, so you are in the industry?
lynniepang is too??
can you state some credentials then? i mean, i don't usually ask for that, but since.. you claim that "those who are in the industry knows".. and well, you support that view, i thought you might be able to state something. :angel:
it is not a matter of politically correct or not. what we're saying is that you don't NECESSARILY need "flawless beauty" models to shoot fashion. just because they are generally PREFERRED is different from claiming that it is a MUST. it is just like a fat kid tends to demand fried chicken - if he is in the mood for something else, steamed chicken might do as well. just because he eats fried chicken 90% of the time doesn't mean he only can eat fried chicken.
Yes you need to keep quiet before you make a fool of yourself, if you have not already.
sorry, i forget, i am not in the industry.
time to be an amateur in a corner and keep quiet.
Since you're all about credentials, and you have admitted you have none, please dont feel obliged to respond further since you have no say in anything going by your OWN standards. In fact, by your own admission, I don't expect any more from you than to simply keep quiet; otherwise you have just contradicted yoruself.
You dont' even shoot much models, hence by your own reckoning and standards (not mine btw, since I don'tmake it a habit to ask for credentials like you; but I might as well rely on it now against you), my word is bigger than yours and hence please defer to my opinion
To the rest, please don't bother attacking credentials or the like, since this statement is solely intended for night86mare and his obsession with credentials. I do not, and have not seen any need to rely on credentials over the substance of what is actualyl said. So what if one has credentials? It does not make what he says automatically correct.
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Is he on a PSC scholarship or something? Cause the way he always responds is very similar to those standard replies given by Stat Board, those that
you read often in Straits Times. I wouldn't be surprised if he is, he'll make a good government spokesman :bsmilie:
I better keep quiet too in case he ask me for my credentials :embrass:
Sion
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sorry, i forget, i am not in the industry.
time to be an amateur in a corner and keep quiet.
You are in the prize winning industry!
:bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie:
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No worries, thanks for seeing the light.
Unlike you, I dont make it a point to ask for credentials, so I have no problem remembering this point. You'll do well to do so too
Unlike you, I dont make it a point to ask for credentials, so I have no problem remembering this point. You'll do well to do so too
thank you.
if know personally counts, then like that, everyone also can say.. just remember that also.
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