I guess it is always a matter of apearance, I was told off by the staff of a swim school once when I was holding a long lens, taking pictures of my son, I was told that I was distracting the swimmers.....but a parent who was holding a PNS and going close to the pool or one holding a videocam is ok......maybe they did not lik e my face or something....irony is, with my long lens I was more discreet and further away from the swimmers....most of the time not quite visible to them from their pool view.
Security Guard Paranoia
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Hahah I meant that your case is crossing the line more than radedward`sblive said:Sorry, remind me again which part of my case is a bit pushing it?
Sorry, I did not logged on over the weekend, and this thread is now so long....
I think we have to consider from the guards point of view too.
1)They work long hours, some don't even have a rest day.
2)They're on their feet the whole day,
3)If they don't caution or inform the people, the sup might dock their pay. (their pay is already quite small)
4)If they get complained for doing their job, the sup might dock their pay.
5)Sometimes when they ask politely people don't listen - I've seen this in action before. quiz : who gets in trouble again? and some photographers think they own the whole bloody place.
6)Informing, warning, cautioning repetitively the whole day taxes on the patience, you sound gruff and rude even if you didn't mean to.
I've talked to some of these guards before and I pity them. My friend tried working as a guard before, he didn't even last a month. "The people were rude and demanding and step all over you its not worth the pay" - his quote
Before griping, complaining, wanting to sue like corporate America.....I suggest stop and think it through. I know any of us will have our sense of "righteousness" pricked in the same situation but try to grin and bear it - doesn't cost a thing.
1)They work long hours, some don't even have a rest day.
2)They're on their feet the whole day,
3)If they don't caution or inform the people, the sup might dock their pay. (their pay is already quite small)
4)If they get complained for doing their job, the sup might dock their pay.
5)Sometimes when they ask politely people don't listen - I've seen this in action before. quiz : who gets in trouble again? and some photographers think they own the whole bloody place.
6)Informing, warning, cautioning repetitively the whole day taxes on the patience, you sound gruff and rude even if you didn't mean to.
I've talked to some of these guards before and I pity them. My friend tried working as a guard before, he didn't even last a month. "The people were rude and demanding and step all over you its not worth the pay" - his quote
Before griping, complaining, wanting to sue like corporate America.....I suggest stop and think it through. I know any of us will have our sense of "righteousness" pricked in the same situation but try to grin and bear it - doesn't cost a thing.
pscion12 said:
best thing to do is to complain to the management about their highhanded attitudes and how they are not teaching the guards correctly.Don't whack the men in uniform, go after the ones who earn their 4 digit pay.
and guess who they will tekan?.....and after that guess who the guards will tekan?......
Usually I find its the management problem la.....if they're firm, clear and willing to take feedbacks and are fair, then it shouldn't be much of a problem. But of course when we feedback (gentleman feedback, we don't complain :bsmilie: ) we also have to take care and watch out for our tone and language.
Most of the time I can't be bothered as long as they don't try to confiscate my gear. I've been stopped a few times already, even at Tekka mall so now when I enter the malls my gear goes in the bag. Which is quite sad really, I remembered the time when my dad took photos of the family everywhere and no one stopped him.
Incidentally, I took some pics of the huge Christmas tree recently during the closing time and the guards were fine with it. It was great, cause the lights were all off and the tree simply glowed.
Usually I find its the management problem la.....if they're firm, clear and willing to take feedbacks and are fair, then it shouldn't be much of a problem. But of course when we feedback (gentleman feedback, we don't complain :bsmilie: ) we also have to take care and watch out for our tone and language.
Most of the time I can't be bothered as long as they don't try to confiscate my gear. I've been stopped a few times already, even at Tekka mall so now when I enter the malls my gear goes in the bag. Which is quite sad really, I remembered the time when my dad took photos of the family everywhere and no one stopped him.
Incidentally, I took some pics of the huge Christmas tree recently during the closing time and the guards were fine with it. It was great, cause the lights were all off and the tree simply glowed.
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eikin said:
just to add on from what vince123123 had said, according to http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_version/html/homepage.html chapter 63 section 66, "Publication of artistic works
66. The copyright in an artistic work is not infringed by the publication of a painting, drawing, engraving, photograph or cinematograph film if, by virtue of section 63, 64 or 65, the making of that painting, drawing, engraving, photograph or film did not constitute an infringement of the copyright."
Therefore I believe it not wrong to publish such photograph to make money if it fit into section 63,64 or 65. If anyone think otherwise, pls enlighten us. Thank in advance.
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Yeap, finally a correct position stated - but anyway the absence of a response from the relevant folks seems to imply quite a lot already
Nevertheless, thanks for sharing
Nevertheless, thanks for sharing
clarinet said:
It happened again just now to me. ;(
"No photography, You must seek permission... blah blah blah..." ;( :sticktong
So paranoid!
Was taking pics of RP's old campus.
"No photography, You must seek permission... blah blah blah..." ;( :sticktong
So paranoid!
Was taking pics of RP's old campus.
Nah, he scared u will take pictures of the various supporting structures and bomb the campus to bits mah.
radedward said:
With all your reasonings here, won't it be better to just talk nicely back to that guard at that point ? like "Uncle, I didn't take photos lah, just hold in hand only." You can make it funny, simple, or even direct (but still remain respectful and courteous), at least he'll get some feedback about his actions. I don't think he's reading clubsnap, nor his management.
Nowadays it's like that....
I got two patrol cars pulled over and surrounded by 4 men in blue as i worked on my compo of a bicycle at 5 in the morning. :bsmilie:
The problem is....the bicycle was parked outside the MRT station.:bsmilie: :bsmilie:
I got two patrol cars pulled over and surrounded by 4 men in blue as i worked on my compo of a bicycle at 5 in the morning. :bsmilie:
The problem is....the bicycle was parked outside the MRT station.:bsmilie:
:bsmilie:I saw a no photography without permission sign on the basement entrence in esplanade. But seem like I still see people using minature cam in there... :bsmilie: :bsmilie:
the copyright act chapter 63 section 64 from my understanding is, taking photo of the building is no problem. If you go into the building, that is another thing call trespassing.....redstone said:
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